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Black women must fix behavior or risk death from AIDS
JWR ^ | 4-25-05 | Rochelle Riley

Posted on 04/25/2005 5:40:08 AM PDT by FlyLow

Dr. Gail Wyatt has a message for black women: We need to change our views and actions regarding sexuality.

Or die.

Nearly three-quarters of America's new cases of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, are African-American women. Black women between 25 and 44 are 13 times more likely to die of the disease than white women of the same age.

It is one of the most underreported news stories of this new decade, and sadly, more women will die before we pay attention.

Black women and their sexuality are the focus of Wyatt's research since she conducted the first study of black women's sexuality in 1980. A professor and associate director of the AIDS Institute at the University of California at Los Angeles, she included 4,000-5,000 women ages 18-80 in her research for "Stolen Women: Reclaiming Our Sexuality, Taking Back Our Lives" (Wiley, $12.95).

She concluded that black women are too easily influenced by what others think of us and depreciate ourselves based on those opinions.

"There isn't any group in the world that has experienced what we have, over 400 years of the kind of slavery we experienced, isolated in language, physical contact and relationships developed at the whim of someone else."

Wyatt says many black women have no healthy perspective to use to model relationships.

"Since we've failed to address the problem, we go limping along, trying to walk but never having a chance to heal." Black women's sexuality "is looked upon by others as aberrant, hypersexual, irresponsible, spontaneous and at the risk of one's life, one's health and well-being. The irony of it is that ... we have women who are actually living their lives as a stereotype, and they don't even know it. ..."

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KEYWORDS: aids; blacks; blackwomen; riskybehavior; women
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1 posted on 04/25/2005 5:40:10 AM PDT by FlyLow
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To: FlyLow

This article is RIGHT ON THE MARK.


2 posted on 04/25/2005 5:45:57 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: FlyLow

"Nearly three-quarters of America's new cases of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, are African-American women."

That is a pretty bad statistic, I gotta say.


3 posted on 04/25/2005 5:48:15 AM PDT by jocon307 (CVCVMELLA CAFEARIA CLAVSA EST)
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To: cyborg
Wyatt says many black women have no healthy perspective to use to model relationships

BS...

4 posted on 04/25/2005 5:51:33 AM PDT by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Baseball!)
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To: cyborg
This article is right on the mark?

"There isn't any group in the world that has experienced what we have, over 400 years of the kind of slavery we experienced, isolated in language, physical contact and relationships developed at the whim of someone else."

Wyatt says many black women have no healthy perspective to use to model relationships.

Blaming slavery and arguing that black women are incapable of recognizing healthy sexual behavior (ie. monogamy) seem way off the mark to me.

5 posted on 04/25/2005 5:52:22 AM PDT by twas
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To: cyborg

I assume that the majority of these women are contracting AIDS from black men? Maybe there is more of the problem.


6 posted on 04/25/2005 5:53:03 AM PDT by caver
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To: freebilly

That's YOUR uninformed opinion. I live in a predominantly black community and interact with MANY black women on a daily basis.


7 posted on 04/25/2005 5:53:27 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: twas

No you don't get it. I do get it because of where I live and the people I meet everyday. FReepers really need to stop having such a kneejerk reaction when they read things about slavery and black people.


8 posted on 04/25/2005 5:54:33 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

But you have to question any "scientist" who after gathering her data sounds more like an activist than an objective observer. I would question the results of any study from an academic -- like this one -- who uses her data to promote a political message.


9 posted on 04/25/2005 5:54:38 AM PDT by Bruceski
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To: cyborg

It's ALMOST "right on the mark."

The problem is not their "sexuality," it's their BEHAVIOR.

That's an important and not very subtle difference.


10 posted on 04/25/2005 5:56:06 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: caver

Yes it's a big problem but the whole 'downlow' phenomena is not being discussed in a way that would help solve the problem IMHO. There are maybe one or two books on black male homosexuality and the discussion hasn't been good.


11 posted on 04/25/2005 5:56:18 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Bruceski

I think she's right though and more women need to hear this message. Actually parts of what she is saying can be universally applied.


12 posted on 04/25/2005 5:58:43 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Redbob

A warped sense of sexuality leads to bad behavior. They're both connected. If a woman doesn't value herself, she will treat herself accordingly.


13 posted on 04/25/2005 5:59:41 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: twas
Blaming slavery and arguing that black women are incapable of recognizing healthy sexual behavior (ie. monogamy) seem way off the mark...

And a more than a little condescending.

14 posted on 04/25/2005 6:00:32 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; Teacher317; ...
My only problem with the piece, and be extension, Dr. Wyatt's statements are tied to the really old mantra of "400 years of slavery that we've expereienced..."

If she's publishing today, she's pretty damn spry for a young woman of 400 years of age.

Outside of that almost obligatory mantra, she's right. Black women do need to take personal responsibility for their own actions and their own sexual actualization. Then, perhaps, black women might come down off of that not-so-lofty perch of being the top social group victimized by AIDS.

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15 posted on 04/25/2005 6:00:58 AM PDT by mhking ("Today, we're gonna do things the RIGHT way...")
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To: cyborg
I live in a predominantly black community and interact with MANY black women on a daily basis.

Sorry, your opinion is that black women have no healthy perspective from which to model relationships. I know plenty of black, yellow, white people who use Christian principles and relationships drawn from the Bible on which to model their own relationships.

Of course, why follow the examples of Esther, Ruth, and Mary when you can use Whitney Houston as a role model...?

16 posted on 04/25/2005 6:02:34 AM PDT by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Baseball!)
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To: cyborg

Not quite: it overlooks the fact that the sexual culture among America's poor (which by and large includes the black women whose behavior the author is discussing) was shaped by 1960's social policy--benefits originally directed toward poor married women with children were extended to unmarried women by an 'equal protection' court decision, and we got subsidized illegitimacy, and subsidized male irresponsibility.

Until then, I understand from reading social scientists, while one out-of-wedlock birth to a woman was quite common, the norm among American blacks was for the father to wed the mother and form a family. Beginning in the 60's that would have often meant the loss of social benefits, since the couple wouldn't qualify on the needs test. Without the formation of families, the fluid sexuality seen among America's poor became the norm. (And I want to hear nothing about 'decay of moral values'--as an Orthodox Christian, I know that only marriage and monasticism are stable guarantees of chastity. However moral one tries to be, long term virginity in the world is dangerous, and long term unmarried chastity in the world after repentence from fornication is almost impossible.)

The rise of AIDS among black women is another great legacy of legislation-from-the-bench.


17 posted on 04/25/2005 6:02:34 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will understand. . .)
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To: FlyLow
Black women in US are NOT more likely to get the so-called Aids virus.

However they ARE far more likely to show reactivity on the ELISA or Western Blot serological tests (aka the "HIV tests")

These are blood protein tests. Certain groups of humanity have very different blood serologies from the caucasian norm, and so show up as seropositive when they are, in fact, not.

It's not only blood serology that throws these tests off. There are about 70 conditions (such as ancestral exposure to malaria, malnutrition, being pregnant and a whole host of others) that cause false-positives but "being black" is right up there.

The HIV tests are junk anyway - they haven't been calibrated against an isolate of the HIV virus. This means that we cannot know the false positive rate of the tests among any test population that isn't composed of fit healthy people.

But the false positive rate (whatever it is) is going to be many times higher when testing clades of humanity that are prone to sickle cell or "sticky blood" syndrome.

Fellow Freepers, please don't fall into the trap of making assumptions about behaviour based on the results of these tests. All known HIV tests are useless because they are uncalibrated. All that the article tells us is that the test are more useless on black people. Until the virus has been isolated we cannot meaningfully test for HIV. It's been twenty years - you have to wonder what the hold-up is.

18 posted on 04/25/2005 6:03:32 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: freebilly

I agreee with you. I can tell you that's not the predominant mentality though, especially in the inner cities where one mindset is accepted and circulated.


19 posted on 04/25/2005 6:05:30 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: freebilly

Biblical examples are well and good but most people take their behavioral cues from 1)parents and 2)the world around them. When you have an illegitmacy rate of 70%, it means that most young black girls, particularly in the inner city, see marriage as an almost foreign institution.


20 posted on 04/25/2005 6:06:11 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: The_Reader_David

I agree with your post. The article leaves out a lot but then again only so much that can be said in an article. I do think the 'war on poverty' was the beginning of the war on the black family though.


21 posted on 04/25/2005 6:08:05 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: LWalk18

thanks... I'm glad you said it.


22 posted on 04/25/2005 6:08:52 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: FlyLow

Some very non PC observations.

It seems that black male behavior is a far higher "at risk" behavior.

That black females pay the price for this behavior.

May black females are marrying "white" (including some close relatives).

Cause/effect - looking for a more safety/security?


23 posted on 04/25/2005 6:09:21 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: FlyLow
Sorry, but the grossly pathological black culture has doomed these and many more black women to death from AIDS.

I don't see any remedy. Our sick PC society prevents anyone from telling the truth on these matters.

24 posted on 04/25/2005 6:09:39 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: FlyLow
Sorry, but the grossly pathological black culture has doomed these and many more black women to death from AIDS.

I don't see any remedy. Our sick PC society prevents anyone from telling the truth on these matters.

25 posted on 04/25/2005 6:09:40 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: agere_contra

Very very interesting... I've been doing a lot of reaidng on AIDS tests and how many show up false and some people recommend anyone with a positive result should get retested.


26 posted on 04/25/2005 6:10:15 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: agere_contra

Thank you for the information. However, the article cites a death rate among one demographic 13 times that for the corresponding group among white women. That is not a result of false positives on the HIV antibody test, unless they are coupled which a cause of death other than AIDS but consistent with AIDS--a circumstance I suspect is vanishingly small, given the very low incidence among non-HIV infected individuals of things like Kaposi's sarcoma and the opportunistic pneumonias that kill most AIDS victims.


27 posted on 04/25/2005 6:11:26 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will understand. . .)
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To: cyborg
I can tell you that's not the predominant mentality though

I live in a predominantly anglo/latino community and I can tell you it isn't the prevailing mentality here either....

28 posted on 04/25/2005 6:12:05 AM PDT by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Baseball!)
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To: freebilly

Yes and I agree especially whenever I go into the city and see the wreck amongst the metrosexual set with crystal meth.


29 posted on 04/25/2005 6:14:15 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: LWalk18
but most people take their behavioral cues from 1)parents and 2)the world around them

Yep.

30 posted on 04/25/2005 6:16:45 AM PDT by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Baseball!)
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To: Redbob
Because the author seems to be over emphasizing sexuality, leads me suspect that the author may be a lesbian.
31 posted on 04/25/2005 6:29:16 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (undecorated and proud. God Bless our troops and their Families.)
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To: The_Reader_David
The figure of 75% of the new cases seems suspect to me. Does anyone have any figures to back up this number. Perhaps it is right but I wonder. If it is right there has been a crime of silence of omission by the media. Those percentages if accurate are politically incorrect dynamite.
32 posted on 04/25/2005 6:30:16 AM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, (OIL FIELD TRASH was fun))
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To: cpdiii

The media has its reason I'm sure. None of them good!


33 posted on 04/25/2005 6:31:58 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: The_Reader_David

To add to your commentrs..in inner city areas, the rate of out-of-wedlock births among black women under 25 is over 90%...


34 posted on 04/25/2005 6:32:48 AM PDT by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL)
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To: The_Reader_David
Thank you David. Yes, its not just diagnosis - being HIV positive correlates to grave illness and death.

We have to examine why this is. Correlation is not cause. There are two reasons why seropositivity (according to these otherwise worthless tests) really does correlate to morbidity.

Firstly they are serological tests. They test for blood protein. Given the number of cross reactions proteins have with each other, having more proteins in your blood means that serological tests will test positive on you more often.

When your body is in catabolic stress - e.g. from disease, malnutrition or trauma your blood proteins (by and large) go up. So you see that genuinely sick people will tend to trigger serological tests more often. The fact that you triggered a test thought to test for this HIV virus means that your disease is now associated with AIDs, wheras it is really TB, flu, drug toxicity etc.

Secondly - and more importantly - diagnosis with HIV is of itself a life-threatening condition.

90% of all AIDs patients in the US during the AZT era died of liver failure. 90% of them. As they were being given heavy doses of the extremely deadly toxic drug AZT when they died, it seems a bit far-fetched to assert that their liver failure was brought on by some as-yet-unisolated virus. Yet this is what we are being asked to believe

In the end the Concorde study proved that AZT was just killing people and curing no-one. That's when the US quietly stopped using AZT and switched to the protease inhibitor cocktails. These are dangerous drugs, but nowhere near as dangerous gram-for-gram as AZT. So the death rate from AIDs dramatically decreased. This was hailed as a miracle breakthrough - but in fact people were just being given less deadly poison.

35 posted on 04/25/2005 6:35:24 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: cyborg

Yeah, I saw a book in Borders a few months back, written by a black man, "celebrating" the downlow lifestyle. In fact, the NY Times Magazine did a huge article on this last year and how black men only equate effeminate behavior as being gay, not the actions associated with homosexuality! Incredible stupidity on their part is spreading AIDS to their straight women.


36 posted on 04/25/2005 6:36:50 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

I think I know which book you're talking about. If it's the same guy, he was on the panel at the 'State of the Black Union'. Annoying and excuse making!


37 posted on 04/25/2005 6:39:39 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: jocon307

This means the Queer community is at saturation level.


38 posted on 04/25/2005 6:42:53 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: The_Reader_David
very low incidence among non-HIV infected individuals of things like Kaposi's sarcoma and the opportunistic pneumonias that kill most AIDS victims.

This is an interesting point you raise. Kaposi's Sarcoma is no longer considered an AIDs disease by the CDC, whereas it was THE defining AIDs disease in the 1980s

In the early cases of AIDs (GRID = Gay Related Immune Disease) there was an obvious toxic cause for Kaposi's: the inhaling of amyl nitrite. This is a very lethal habit, and a demarcated homosexual phenomenum.(There's a reason for this, but let's not go there).

But the vast majority of AIDs deaths were not and are not caused by nitrite poppers. Hardly. Popper-related KS merely started the AIDs furore. Nowadays the classic popper-induced disease (Kaposi's Sarcoma, a dangerous cancerous lesion in the lungs) is no even longer defined as an AIDs disease - as the gay community drastically cut back on popper consumption in the early AIDs era. (However nitrite consumption is growing back again. In five years I predict that KS will be back on the CDC's list of AIDs diseases.)

The real killer in AIDs (the real toxic cause) was and is iatrogenic poisoning: by which I mean the treatment for HIV infection itself causes the disease. AZT - the old wonder drug for AIDS - is an extremely toxic chemotherapy drug: 1000 mg of AZT a day for months or years would kill an elephant. 90% of all those thousands of AIDs deaths in the AZT days were due to liver failure, not to an AIDs-defining disease.

39 posted on 04/25/2005 6:43:21 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: rabidralph; cyborg
That would be On the Down Low: A Journey Into the Lives of "Straight" Black Men Who Sleep with Men by J.L. King.

No, I haven't read it, but I did note that the guy was on Oprah awhile back, and of course Oprah gushed and fawned all over the author...

40 posted on 04/25/2005 6:49:41 AM PDT by mhking ("Today, we're gonna do things the RIGHT way...")
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To: mhking

There's this guy too. I've not read his book but I have read J.L. King's book (see link below). I missed that Oprah Show but I'll bet the message board was interesting.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786714344/102-3225251-7944118?v=glance


41 posted on 04/25/2005 6:54:09 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: FlyLow; newgeezer
" their sexuality "

That's a nice way to say it.

42 posted on 04/25/2005 6:55:29 AM PDT by biblewonk (John 2:4 "Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me?...)
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To: freebilly

but they buy the rap crap and dont object.


43 posted on 04/25/2005 7:16:15 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: cyborg

I know for a fact that the black inmates in prisons believe if they want it do it. and seem to think that only the catcher is the homo not the pitcher.


44 posted on 04/25/2005 7:20:14 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: cyborg

More fallout from Lyndon B Johnson and the Great Society. So sad.


45 posted on 04/25/2005 7:20:21 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: agere_contra

Interesting.


47 posted on 04/25/2005 7:38:31 AM PDT by Sister_T (The next time you feel compassionate, starve someone to death!)
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To: cyborg

I've been doing a lot of reaidng on AIDS tests and how many show up false and some people recommend anyone with a positive result should get retested.
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I used to work for an HIV/AIDS crisis hotline.

It is definitly standard protocal to get tested twice. They typically give two different tests, 1 a cheaper generic test that is fairly accurate and then 2. if you test positive they use a more sophisticated expensive test to make certain.

As far as this article. I think most African American women are infected by bisexual African American men. There are more african american men who are bisexual then any other race, probably due to the large number of blacks in prison - which is due to a combination of the federal welfare policies and the resulting 'tax-breaks' given by the government to drug pushers and other illegal activities to set up shop in welfare stricken inner cities (along with the terror and violence unleashed on these populations by federal drug policies).

According to the Center for Disease and Control:

Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex. Of the adults and adolescents with AIDS, 77% were men.

Please consider all this.


50 posted on 04/25/2005 8:08:46 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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