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Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb
JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN ^ | April 25, 2005 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 04/25/2005 6:19:49 AM PDT by DJ Taylor

WASHINGTON -- Iran is not only covertly developing nuclear weapons, it is already testing ballistic missiles specifically designed to destroy America's technical infrastructure, effectively neutralizing the world's lone superpower, say U.S. intelligence sources, top scientists and western missile industry experts.

The radical Shiite regime has conducted successful tests to determine if its Shahab-3 ballistic missiles, capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, can be detonated by a remote-control device while still in high-altitude flight.

Scientists, including President Reagan's top science adviser, William R. Graham, say there is no other explanation for such tests than preparation for the deployment of Electromagnetic Pulse weapons – even one of which could knock out America's critical electrical and technological infrastructure, effectively sending the continental U.S. back to the 19th century with a recovery time of months or years.

Iran will have that capability – at least theoretically – as soon as it has one nuclear bomb ready to arm such a missile. North Korea, a strategic ally of Iran, already boasts such capability.

The stunning report was first published over the weekend in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by WND's founder.

Just last month, Congress heard testimony about the use of such weapons and the threat they pose from rogue regimes.

Iran has surprised intelligence analysts by describing the mid-flight detonations of missiles fired from ships on the Caspian Sea as "successful" tests. Even primitive Scud missiles could be used for this purpose. And top U.S. intelligence officials reminded members of Congress that there is a glut of these missiles on the world market. They are currently being bought and sold for about $100,000 apiece.

"A terrorist organization might have trouble putting a nuclear warhead 'on target' with a Scud, but it would be much easier to simply launch and detonate in the atmosphere," wrote Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., in the Washington Post a week ago. "No need for the risk and difficulty of trying to smuggle a nuclear weapon over the border or hit a particular city. Just launch a cheap missile from a freighter in international waters – al-Qaida is believed to own about 80 such vessels – and make sure to get it a few miles in the air."

The Iranian missile tests were more sophisticated and capable of detonation at higher elevations – making them more dangerous.

Detonated at a height of 60 to 500 kilometers above the continental U.S., one nuclear warhead could cripple the country – knocking out electrical power and circuit boards and rendering the U.S. domestic communications impotent.

While Iran still insists officially in talks currently underway with the European Union that it is only developing nuclear power for peaceful civilian purposes, the mid-flight detonation missile tests persuade U.S. military planners and intelligence agencies that Tehran can only be planning such an attack, which depends on the availability of at least one nuclear warhead.

Some analysts believe the stage of Iranian missile developments suggests Iranian scientists will move toward the production of weapons-grade nuclear material shortly as soon as its nuclear reactor in Busher is operative.

Jerome Corsi, author of "Atomic Iran," told WorldNetDaily the new findings about Iran's Electromagnetic Pulse experiments significantly raise the stakes of the mullah regime's bid to become a nuclear power.

"Up until now, I believed the nuclear threat to the U.S. from Iran was limited to the ability of terrorists to penetrate the borders or port security to deliver a device to a major city," he said. "While that threat should continue to be a grave concern for every American, these tests by Iran demonstrate just how devious the fanatical mullahs in Tehran are. We are facing a clever and unscrupulous adversary in Iran that could bring America to its knees."

Earlier this week, Iran's top nuclear official said Europe must heed an Iranian proposal on uranium enrichment or risk a collapse of the talks.

The warning by Hassan Rowhani, head of the Supreme National Security Council, came as diplomats from Britain, France and Germany began talks with their Iranian counterparts in Geneva, ahead of a more senior-level meeting in London set for April 29. Enrichment produces fuel for nuclear reactors, which can also be used in the explosive core of nuclear bombs.

"The Europeans should tell us whether these ideas can work as the basis for continued negotiations or not," Rowhani said, referring to the Iranian proposal put forward last month that would allow some uranium enrichment. "If yes, fine. If not, then the negotiations cannot continue," he said.

Some analysts believe Iran is using the negotiations merely to buy time for further development of the nuclear program.

The U.S. plans, according to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, to allow the EU talks to continue before deciding this summer to push for United Nations sanctions against Iran.

Last month, the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security chaired by Kyl, held a hearing on the Electromagnetic Pulse, or EMP, threat.

"An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack on the American homeland, said one of the distinguished scientists who testified at the hearing, is one of only a few ways that the United States could be defeated by its enemies – terrorist or otherwise," wrote Kyl "And it is probably the easiest. A single Scud missile, carrying a single nuclear weapon, detonated at the appropriate altitude, would interact with the Earth's atmosphere, producing an electromagnetic pulse radiating down to the surface at the speed of light. Depending on the location and size of the blast, the effect would be to knock out already stressed power grids and other electrical systems across much or even all of the continental United States, for months if not years."

The purpose of an EMP attack, unlike a nuclear attack on land, is not to kill people, but "to kill electrons," as Graham explained. He serves as chairman of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse Attack and was director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and science adviser to the president during the Reagan administration.

Graham told WorldNetDaily he could think of no other reason for Iran to be experimenting with mid-air detonation of missiles than for the planning of an EMP-style attack.

"EMP offers a bigger bang for the buck," he said. He also suggested such an attack makes a U.S. nuclear response against a suspected enemy less likely than the detonation of a nuclear bomb in a major U.S. city.

A 2004 report by the commission found "several potential adversaries have or can acquire the capability to attack the United States with a high-altitude nuclear weapons-generated electromagnetic pulse (EMP). A determined adversary can achieve an EMP attack capability without having a high level of sophistication."

"EMP is one of a small number of threats that can hold our society at risk of catastrophic consequences," the report said. "EMP will cover the wide geographic region within line of sight to the nuclear weapon. It has the capability to produce significant damage to critical infrastructures and thus to the very fabric of U.S. society, as well as to the ability of the United States and Western nations to project influence and military power."

The major impact of EMP weapons is on electronics, "so pervasive in all aspects of our society and military, coupled through critical infrastructures," explained the report.

"Their effects on systems and infrastructures dependent on electricity and electronics could be sufficiently ruinous as to qualify as catastrophic to the nation," Lowell Wood, acting chairman of the commission, told members of Congress.

The commission report went so far as to suggest, in its opening sentence, that an EMP attack "might result in the defeat of our military forces."

"Briefly, a single nuclear weapon exploded at high altitude above the United States will interact with the Earth's atmosphere, ionosphere and magnetic field to produce an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) radiation down to the Earth and additionally create electrical currents in the Earth," said the report. "EMP effects are both direct and indirect. The former are due to electrical systems, and the latter arise from the damage that 'shocked' – upset, damaged and destroyed – electronics controls then inflict on the systems in which they are embedded. The indirect effects can be even more severe than the direct effects."

The EMP threat is not a new one considered by U.S. defense planners. The Soviet Union had experimented with the idea as a kind of super-weapon against the U.S.

"What is different now is that some potential sources of EMP threats are difficult to deter – they can be terrorist groups that have no state identity, have only one or a few weapons and are motivated to attack the U.S. without regard for their own safety," explains the commission report. "Rogue states, such as North Korea and Iran, may also be developing the capability to pose an EMP threat to the United States and may also be unpredictable and difficult to deter."

Graham describes the potential "cascading effect" of an EMP attack. If electrical power is knocked out and circuit boards fried, telecommunications are disrupted, energy deliveries are impeded, the financial system breaks down, food, water and gasoline become scarce.

As Kyl put it: "Few if any people would die right away. But the loss of power would have a cascading effect on all aspects of U.S. society. Communication would be largely impossible. Lack of refrigeration would leave food rotting in warehouses, exacerbated by a lack of transportation as those vehicles still working simply ran out of gas (which is pumped with electricity). The inability to sanitize and distribute water would quickly threaten public health, not to mention the safety of anyone in the path of the inevitable fires, which would rage unchecked. And as we have seen in areas of natural and other disasters, such circumstances often result in a fairly rapid breakdown of social order."

"American society has grown so dependent on computer and other electrical systems that we have created our own Achilles' heel of vulnerability, ironically much greater than those of other, less developed nations," the senator wrote. "When deprived of power, we are in many ways helpless, as the New York City blackout made clear. In that case, power was restored quickly because adjacent areas could provide help. But a large-scale burnout caused by a broad EMP attack would create a much more difficult situation. Not only would there be nobody nearby to help, it could take years to replace destroyed equipment."

The commission said hardening key infrastructure systems and procuring vital backup equipment such as transformers is both feasible and – compared with the threat – relatively inexpensive.

"But it will take leadership by the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Department, and other federal agencies, along with support from Congress, all of which have yet to materialize," wrote Kyl, so far the only elected official blowing the whistle this alarming development.

Kyl concluded in his report: "The Sept. 11 commission report stated that our biggest failure was one of 'imagination.' No one imagined that terrorists would do what they did on Sept. 11. Today few Americans can conceive of the possibility that terrorists could bring our society to its knees by destroying everything we rely on that runs on electricity. But this time we've been warned, and we'd better be prepared to respond."


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KEYWORDS: emp; farah; iran; irannukes; nuclearthreat
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MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) prevented the Soviets from trying this, but I don't think it will deter the Mad Mullahs of Iran.
1 posted on 04/25/2005 6:19:53 AM PDT by DJ Taylor
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To: DJ Taylor
If they even try...

Tehran, 2006:


2 posted on 04/25/2005 6:23:26 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: DJ Taylor

Wow. just ONE bomb could wipe us out?

And don't claims like this justify WMD claims? We need to invade now!


3 posted on 04/25/2005 6:24:52 AM PDT by Cyclops08
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To: Cyclops08

Oops posted too soon. If only one bomb could do all this, why haven't all the other bad guys tried it?

Big talk from a bunch of guys who haven't even dug ONE nuke shelter.


4 posted on 04/25/2005 6:26:29 AM PDT by Cyclops08
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To: DJ Taylor

Already posted

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1390468/posts


5 posted on 04/25/2005 6:26:39 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: DJ Taylor
Most electronics are shielded these days. It would probably cause regionalized problems with the power grid, but it wouldn't be a calamity. The missile probably would never make it here anyway. There are always aegis systems deployed in the area which could intercept a single missile.

Mike

6 posted on 04/25/2005 6:26:40 AM PDT by MichaelP
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To: DJ Taylor

This is such yang.

If they wanted to inflict maximum carnage and damage they would target my city. New York City.

They would never waste a nuclear weapon on such a far fetched unproven emthod of attacking a nation. Laying waste to NYC would create GLOBAL havoc and would do an incredible amount of damage to the US economy.


7 posted on 04/25/2005 6:27:34 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: DJ Taylor

The Electromagnetic Pulse strategy to knock out the U.S. infrastructure may have been viable in 1980, but since then the military-industrial complex has developed "hardened" chips that can withstand such an attack. Dream on, Iran. You would be swatted like an mosquito.


8 posted on 04/25/2005 6:28:14 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: DJ Taylor
Perhaps the mad mullahs might be deterred if we announce the targeting of Mecca and Medina with nuclear weapons as well as other Islamic holy sites of significance.

It must be made clear to both Iran and North Korea in no uncertain terms or diplomatic niceties that the use of nuclear weapons against the US will bring an immediate massive nuclear retaliation on their country.

9 posted on 04/25/2005 6:29:16 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: The Great RJ

World Nut Daily


10 posted on 04/25/2005 6:30:50 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman
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To: DJ Taylor
A terrorist organization might have trouble putting a nuclear warhead 'on target' with a Scud

With a nuke, all you have to get is close...............

11 posted on 04/25/2005 6:30:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (Entrepreneurs find a need and fill it. Politicians create need and fill it........)
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To: DJ Taylor

The mere fact that they have such a plan illustrates how crazy they are.


12 posted on 04/25/2005 6:31:06 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: DJ Taylor

It will screw up all the non sheilded thingys with diodes and transisters. Like our cars, PCs, TVs, Media, Power grid et al. But the military hardware is all shielded and should not be effected.


13 posted on 04/25/2005 6:31:28 AM PDT by crz
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To: DJ Taylor
Nope...they believe Allah is on 'their' side...
and even if they all die in a nuke exchange they
will be in Muslim heaven with their 72 beautiful and eternally young virgins... two nanoseconds after ground zero lights up.

imo
14 posted on 04/25/2005 6:33:11 AM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: DJ Taylor
MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) prevented the Soviets from trying this, but I don't think it will deter the Mad Mullahs of Iran.

I agree. You can't use a MAD concept on people who want to go to paradise.

It's time for the brains in the DOD to think of another way to stop the mullahs short of a reactive nuclear strike against Iran. If they can't come up with anything then all that's left is to make that piece of desert radioactive when they launch their "one" missile.

That would really tick off the liberal Dems, but this country would be safe.

15 posted on 04/25/2005 6:33:18 AM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: DJ Taylor
designed to destroy America's technical infrastructure...

I guess they are planning to nuke India.

16 posted on 04/25/2005 6:33:32 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: DJ Taylor

"Detonated at a height of 60 to 500 kilometers above the continental U.S., one nuclear warhead could cripple the country – knocking out electrical power and circuit boards and rendering the U.S. domestic communications impotent. "


No it wouldn't, due to shielding standards and lack of blast radius. Stupid fear-mongering article lost all credibility there.

Just say "We want to attack Iran" and make up a lie and do it, instead of coming up with BS like this.


17 posted on 04/25/2005 6:34:05 AM PDT by Blzbba ("Under every stone lurks a politician. " Aristophanes, 410 BC)
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To: DJ Taylor

1. They shoot at us with there hand full of missiles.

2. We knock every one of them out with 10 fold redundancy, starting near the point of launch.

3. We retaliate and turn Iran into a nuclear waste dump.

It's not MAD! MAD assumes we both destroy each other.

Red6


18 posted on 04/25/2005 6:34:29 AM PDT by Red6
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To: crz

"It will screw up all the non sheilded thingys with diodes and transisters. Like our cars...."

Ha! All the more reason to buy cars made in the 60's.


19 posted on 04/25/2005 6:35:10 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: TommyDale

Even if the do damage us serverely, we have the boomers out to sea.


20 posted on 04/25/2005 6:35:36 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: The Great RJ

And we can fire weapons from land, sea, and air - that pretty much covers everything!


21 posted on 04/25/2005 6:35:54 AM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: Cyclops08
Wow. just ONE bomb could wipe us out?

From what I have read, it would cause temporary damage in a limited area. Much of our electronic infrastructure is shielded against EMP. Some years ago our power grid was damaged from a strong solar flare – steps were taken to help prevent a reoccurrence. Our military has long shielded its equipment.
While it would be a major inconvenience, and cost us money, it would hardly “destroy America's technical infrastructure, effectively neutralizing the world's lone superpower”.
22 posted on 04/25/2005 6:35:54 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: DJ Taylor
Why would they need a "remote control device" when all they need is a simple timer set to detonate when the missile has flown a set distance?

Why is this type of nuclear attack less likely to provoke a nuclear response?

They'd need to be pretty confident that their one and only device reliably and adequately cripples the USA. So far only the US media is sure of the physics behind EMP threats and the way they couple to hardware.

Assuming that everything goes well for the attackers, cell phones and cable boxes across the USA would go dead- and the guys in Cheyenne and at the silos and airfields and submarines would be getting Emergency Action Messages and turning keys and lighting afterburners. Aircraft carriers and their little flocks would be changing course.

On the upside the antiwar protesters would be prevented from organizing to get their message out urging moderation, diplomatic solutions, and restrained response, and the talking heads would be forced into silence.
23 posted on 04/25/2005 6:36:09 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: TommyDale
Yes, the military is QUITE aware of EMP, and started to take notice in the 70s and 80s when NEW MiGs were coming off the production line with vacuum tubes.

Some of the military infastructure and most of us civilians would be affected by a BIG EMP like this. But we'd fire a few missiles back at them, and that would be end of that.

24 posted on 04/25/2005 6:36:23 AM PDT by BP2
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To: DJ Taylor
The stunning report was first published over the weekend in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin

Oh. Never mind.

25 posted on 04/25/2005 6:36:23 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: The Great RJ
It must be made clear to both Iran and North Korea in no uncertain terms or diplomatic niceties that the use of nuclear weapons against the US will bring an immediate massive nuclear retaliation on their country.

It has been

26 posted on 04/25/2005 6:36:57 AM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, (OIL FIELD TRASH was fun))
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To: MichaelP
Most electronics are shielded these days.

Only military electronics has been hardened sufficiently for this. EMP causes secondary emissions inside shielded devices. BTW cell phones aren't shielded at all. This would be a great way to get these out of the hands of drivers.

27 posted on 04/25/2005 6:37:35 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Brilliant

And – how far behind technologically they are. It might have worked 20 years ago.


28 posted on 04/25/2005 6:37:56 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: GingisK

Mutual Assured Destruction... Reagan believed in it and it worked.


29 posted on 04/25/2005 6:38:03 AM PDT by boofus
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To: MichaelP
Actually, most electronics these days IS NOT SHELIDED. In fact, what causes damage is the EMP itself. An electromagnetic pulse is just that. A massive pulse which induces massive current inside even electronics that is OFF, not plugged in. Generally the damage is caused inside MOSFET type transistors and integrated circuits.

Unless electronics (radios, computers) are unplugged and cases grounded (providing a "faraday cage" type protection) then even stuff just "sitting there on shelves" can be damaged during a massive emp.

A space detonated device has a "footprint" that can cover the US. This would preclude folks like Iran from doing this kind of damage, since they can't launch space vehicles. However, China, Russia and even to an extent, people like North Korea have limited space launch vehicle capabilities. Thus, if Iran cooperated with, say North Korea on a launch vehicle, they could conceivably launch a nuclear device capable of doing massive emp damage into space. We'd SEE it of course. Whether we could shoot it down or stop it before detonation remains to be seen at this point.

This threat is certainly MORE viable than some of you give it credit for being. However, MichaelIP has a point, the missile will probably NOT make it here. So, unless the scenario I've cited (putting it into orbit first) is accomplished, then the fact that the bomb can't get here will limit the damage to the region where the bomb goes off.
30 posted on 04/25/2005 6:38:37 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (Never Forget the Starvation of Terri Schiavo - Liberal Loonies murdered her.)
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To: joesnuffy
…will be in Muslim heaven with their 72 beautiful and eternally young virgins…

No, no, no! That is a bad translation. It is 72 Redneck Virginians.
31 posted on 04/25/2005 6:39:25 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Blzbba

If it were true then when we did all those surface and even above surface tests in the US and Pacific we should have shut down the Country right? But wait-it didn't happen.

China-above surface tests.

Russia-above surface tests.

France-above surface tests in the Pacific.

While we all know what EMP is, and agree that a nuke over the US would be really bad, I think the writer of this article thinks we are stupid. He's another one selling us a "nuclear winter"- "Ozone hole" or what's the trendy slogan now? I forget. "Acid Rain" Oh-that's long gone. Ahhh yea, it's "Global Warming" now.

Red6


32 posted on 04/25/2005 6:41:13 AM PDT by Red6
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To: GingisK
"This would be a great way to get these (cell phones)out of the hands of drivers."

Not to worry, automobile electronic fuel injector systems are nor sheilded, so no one will be driving anyway.

33 posted on 04/25/2005 6:41:55 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: DBrow
On the bright side -
the antiwar protesters would be prevented from organizing to get their message out urging moderation, diplomatic solutions, and restrained response, and the talking heads would be forced into silence.

34 posted on 04/25/2005 6:42:05 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: DJ Taylor

There's been enough talk going, it's time to act.


35 posted on 04/25/2005 6:42:30 AM PDT by HankReardon
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To: MichaelP

The DARPANET was created for this and most peripheral devices are "Tempest" versions to protect against this.


36 posted on 04/25/2005 6:47:35 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: MichaelP

Not to split hairs, but Aegis wasn't built to intercept ICBM's. It was built to protect the carrier group from a missile flying right at it. But that is why we have the missile defense program. Screw those other countries who are against it.


37 posted on 04/25/2005 6:47:55 AM PDT by Flightdeck
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To: GingisK
Actually, not to far fetched.

India is mostly Hindu, which is even worse than Christian to a Muslim. Christians are at least people of the book.

More likely would be Europe. Shorter range and less defenses. Also less technically up to date. One of the benefits of socialism is all the old infrasructure stays around until you have to replace it.

U.S. infrastructure is much less vulnerable now than it was in the 80's and 90's. Built in protections from solar activity also work versus EMP. Also, the size/design of the device affects the amount of EMP. First generation devices (atomic fission) do not generate the truly hard EMP that a second plus generation device (hydrogen fusion) develops.

Tin Foil Hat Theory: This is all a plot between the Chinese and the Iranians. EMP will not affect the power grid or the military. All home electronic will be devastated. Since they are all made in China, this will be a big boost to the Chinese economy. (Play twilight zone theme).
38 posted on 04/25/2005 6:48:40 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: Cyclops08

Why do I feel like I'm part of a two minute hate here?

They could do this if they had a death wish.


39 posted on 04/25/2005 6:50:50 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: DJ Taylor
The stunning report was first published over the weekend in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by WND's founder.

Joseph Farah on Joseph Farah.

40 posted on 04/25/2005 6:51:21 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: DJ Taylor

Submarines wouldn't be affected. Tehran would glow for 250 years.


41 posted on 04/25/2005 6:52:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Red6

"I think the writer of this article thinks we are stupid"


Agreed. Yet, HE is the one who looks like an idiot to me.


42 posted on 04/25/2005 6:53:28 AM PDT by Blzbba ("Under every stone lurks a politician. " Aristophanes, 410 BC)
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To: GingisK

"I guess they are planning to nuke India."


LMAO! Outsourcing terrorist targets? Why not!?

Maybe the Iranians can hire some illegal Mexicans to "do this job that Americans won't do"?


43 posted on 04/25/2005 6:54:30 AM PDT by Blzbba ("Under every stone lurks a politician. " Aristophanes, 410 BC)
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To: Red6

Look up the effects of STARFISH PRIME and ARGUS shots. One over the Pacific and one over the Atlantic.

Both caused lots of EM effects, including disrupting phone service in Hawaii and blowing streetlights. Both not big bombs iirc.

Nobody has done much testing at the altitudes required for EMP because it is too difficult to monitor all the parameters you wish to look at when burning an expensive pit. You need to be 50 to 200 kilometers up and it's hard to find test shots higher than a few k.

Most EMP stuff has been theoretical and backed up by the limited test shots available.


44 posted on 04/25/2005 6:55:36 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow
Why is this type of nuclear attack less likely to provoke a nuclear response?

Becasue the Dems and the anti-war luddites would say that an EMP wasn't a true nuclear attack so retaliation is not justified. Retaliation would be a violation of international law, violation of human rights because civillians in Iran would be harmed, etc.

If that wasn't enough, the worst wacko's would claim it was justified for the U.S. imperial hegemony's oppression of middle easterners since Sept. 11 and the U.S. deserves an attack.

These type of profane liberal talking points have been floating around for years. It would be funny though, for the liberal media talking heads on the alphabet networks to be totally frustrated that they couldn't be seen on TV spouting these comments after such an EMP.

45 posted on 04/25/2005 6:55:55 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: DJ Taylor

they musta watched Ocean's 11 over the weekend.


46 posted on 04/25/2005 6:57:34 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: DJ Taylor

I don't think it would work, but it would make a great movie.

Just add a few mutated flesh-eating zombies and we have a hit.


47 posted on 04/25/2005 6:58:09 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Impeach them all!)
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To: finnman69
They would never waste a nuclear weapon on such a far fetched unproven emthod of attacking a nation.

Did you ever read on the atmospheric tests our country did in the 50's? We knocked down a grid then and that was during the tube age. Tubes are a lot more resistant to EMP than solid state and even more so IC. It is possibly a real threat, albeit never done in wartime. Whether they can get a big enough pulse in the right area remains to be seen but it could be ugly though probably not the disaster they are talking here.

48 posted on 04/25/2005 6:58:55 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: massgopguy

Tempest has to do with preventing collection of data and voice transmissions and securing communications from eavesdropping - not EMP hardening. DARPANET is not appreciably hardened, this is why we used to have VLF and groundwave comm. The size of the blast does not matter, it is the high altitude placement for max exposure to EMP. Also, most electrical grids and comm are not sufficiently hardened. This methodology has been a part of our strategic offensive planning for years.


49 posted on 04/25/2005 6:59:39 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The rats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Blzbba

I agree with you but would just like to point out the "blast radius" comment is irrelevant to the EMP effects.

The article is sophomoric - it fails on several levels. Not least of which is the fact ALL military-spec systems are impervious to EMP detonations but so are a lot of the major power and communication grids which use shielded Faraday cages and easily-replacable breakers. The ongoing transformation to fiber optics is making these systems much more resistant to EMP effects. Thus, most power and communication networks will be restored within several days at the most and perhaps within just several hours.

Basically, the only long-lasting effect will be on common household goods and motor vehicles. That should make all Americans, including the leftists and Democrats, sufficiently pissed off to approve of complete nuking of Iran.


50 posted on 04/25/2005 7:00:29 AM PDT by Edward Watson
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