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Diaperless Babies Seen As Earth-Friendly Solution (Enviro-wacko alert)
CNSNews.com ^ | 4/22/05 | Marc Morano

Posted on 04/25/2005 7:28:34 AM PDT by jalisco555

(CNSNews.com) - As environmentalists celebrate the 34th annual Earth Day, some in the green movement are now advocating "diaper-free" babies to help save the planet.

Citing concerns about plastic disposable diapers clogging landfills and the amount of washing and detergents that cloth diapers require, many environmentalists are taking a page from tribal cultures and seeking to eliminate the use of the baby diapers altogether.

The green movement is now promoting diaperless babies as a "retro, cutting-edge, environmentally friendly scheme" to mothers throughout the industrialized world.

The green movement already has declared war on the modern flush toilet, declaring it an "environmental disaster," and has instead pushed waterless "dry" toilets as an earth-friendly solution.

Former Vice President Al Gore joined the board of a waterless urinal company late last year to further the dry toilet cause and to help avert what many environmentalists believe is a looming international water crisis.

"There is a way to have a baby and NOT use diapers," says one website advocating diaperless babies. Parents are urged to get in tune with their infant's body signals and hold babies over toilets, buckets and shrubbery or any other convenient receptacle when nature calls.

One advocate suggests bringing a "tight-lidded bucket" along to serve as a waste receptacle when mothers take their babies out in public.

'Primitive worship'

But Robert Bidinotto, publisher of ecoNOT.com and a critic of environmentalists, dismisses such notions as "primitive-worship."

"Incredibly, some environmentalists actually prefer that the foul messes we normally capture in diapers and landfills, spill instead onto our linoleum, carpets, and even our children," Bidinotto told CNSNews.com.

Noting many greens' opposition to flush toilets and now baby diapers, Bidinotto said environmentalists' have a "strange affinity for bodily wastes," and he believes they have become "obsessed with toilet issues."

'Be the first in your neighborhood'

Umbra Fisk, advice columnist for Grist Magazine , a major environmental e-publication, has joined the diaperless baby effort.

Responding to a reader's question in the Feb. 12 issue of Grist Magazine about how to handle baby waste in an Earth-friendly manner, Fisk fully endorses the diaper-free movement as a "retro cutting-edge environmentally friendly scheme." Fisk urges parents to "be the first in your neighborhood" to go diaper free.

"People around the world who have no access to diapers manage to raise children, and a small group of parents in diaper-rich countries have decided to follow their lead. Around here, it's called 'elimination communication' or 'diaper-free,'" Fisk wrote.

Fisk argues that changing times mean parents no longer have to change diapers.

"The concept is logical and simple: Infants give recognizable signs of imminent peeing and pooping; it's possible to learn your infant's signs; infant pee isn't frightening; and if you train your kid to ignore their outputs, you'll just have to go back and retrain them when traditional potty-training time arrives," Fisk explained.

Another diaperless baby advocate, who identifies herself as Natec, wrote a how-to manual for prospective mothers of diaperless babies titled, "Elimination Timing: The Solution to the Dirty Diapers War." The manual, which used fictionalized names and characters, describes Natec's motivation to go diaper-free after the birth of her son.

"When David was born, I started to think about the kind of world I was making for him to grow up in. The thought of garbage spewing and sprawling landfills filled me with horror. And right along with this horror were those little mother's helpers, disposable diapers...rotting, but never really going away in all their plastic glory," Natec wrote.

Natec maintains that plastic diapers "can take 500 years to decompose." Natec is not impressed with so-called "biodegradable" diapers, because they "may contain more plastic to compensate for the weakness of their materials."

Although green advocates estimate that diapers account for only between 0.5 to 1.8 percent of landfill space, they nevertheless consider that troubling.

"One percent of billions of tons is worth worrying about. If we don't think about how to address that one percent, which one percent will we address?" asked Richard Dennison, a senior scientist with the Environmental Defense group, as quoted in Natec's how-to manual.

'Evil empire of Western parenting'

Concerns about landfills are not the only reason some parents are going diaperless.

Scott Noelle, editor of the Continuum Concept website and a father, explained why he eventually stopped using diapers on his infant daughter Olivia, in a web essay titled "Going Diaperless."

"In my mind, diapers became the symbol of the Evil Empire of Western Parenting in which babies must suffer to accommodate the needs of their parents' broken-continuum culture: a controlled, sterile, odorless, wall-to-wall carpeted fortress in which to live with the illusion of dominion over nature," wrote Noelle, on the website livingharmony.com.

Despite his concerns, Noelle continued to use diapers on his daughter, despite the fact that he "felt like a monster and a fraud."

Noelle finally chose to go diaperless and looked to traditional cultures for inspiration. "How I longed for a simple, dirt-floored, baby-friendly hut like that of a Yequana family," he wrote.

Natec agrees with Noelle that modern society has a lot to learn from the traditional ways of life.

"[M]any of us have not, until recent years, given credit to the mothering skills of more Earth-centered, i.e. 'primitive" cultures,' she wrote in her how-to manual.

"When you think about it, there have been millions of years of human beings and only a few thousand years with any references to diapers," she added.

But Bidinotto of ecoNOT.com bristles at what he considers the glorification of a "primitive" way of life by diaperless baby advocates.

"These people have no idea what primitive life is really like. Their preferred alternative to today's 'controlled, sterile, odorless' environment is a world of filth and disease, where countless millions died in plagues and epidemics," Bidinotto explained.

Shopping with a diaperless baby

Ingrid Bauer, author of the book "Diaper Free: The Gentle Wisdom of Natural Infant Hygiene," writes on her website natural-wisdom.com that the key for parents interested in going au natural is parent-infant communication.

"Observation and close bonding interaction help the parent to understand the baby's signals, body language and timing rhythms," Bauer writes in the frequently asked questions section of her website

"Some common signals that indicate a need to pee in a young infant are: squirming, "fussing," tensing the face, frowning or having a look of "inner concentration," she wrote.

"When the baby has to go, the parent holds him or her in a comfortable position over an appropriate toilet place and makes a cueing sound (perhaps a gentle "sss")."

What's the parent of a diaperless baby to do when out shopping? Bauer offers this solution.

"These parents may rely on using public bathrooms, or bring along a container such as a tight -lidded bucket," Bauer wrote.

Bauer calls freedom from diapers "responsive infant-care."

"This gentle and ancient practice is the most common way of caring for a baby's hygiene needs in the non-Western world," she writes.

Bidinotto rejects any notion that industrialized nations should mimic the traditional cultures.

"The only thing that we moderns have to learn from primitive cultures is what they themselves learned. They learned that life is much better with modern conveniences, such as diapers. And in fact, most primitive peoples can't wait to get and use such conveniences," Bidinotto explained.

"But now environmentalists want to sentence millions to the filth and drudgery that our ancestors were so eager to escape," he added.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: baby; bigpileopoop; diaper; earthday; environment; envirowacko; green; greens; itsmellsbadinhere; pagingalgore; pee; shiteverywhere
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Greens are always good for a laugh.
1 posted on 04/25/2005 7:28:39 AM PDT by jalisco555
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To: jalisco555

Ugh!


2 posted on 04/25/2005 7:30:56 AM PDT by American Butterfly
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To: jalisco555

Another truly s#itty idea from the lib whacks.


3 posted on 04/25/2005 7:31:14 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance
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To: jalisco555

Wow! And I bet who ever wrote this actually got paid for this too!


4 posted on 04/25/2005 7:31:33 AM PDT by pikachu (BE alert -- we need more lerts!)
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To: jalisco555

You have to wonder how may of these "parents" were themselevs runnning around butt naked among their numerous mommies and daddies in a hippie commune 35 years ago.


5 posted on 04/25/2005 7:31:52 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: jalisco555
Hilarious.

It reads like satire.

6 posted on 04/25/2005 7:33:15 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: jalisco555

Yes, the mad rush of suburban mothers going diaper-less has Pampers executives in a tizzy.

Cue the crickets!!!!


7 posted on 04/25/2005 7:33:31 AM PDT by Pondman88
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To: jalisco555; governsleastgovernsbest; bentfeather; gaspar; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...
Why do I have a bad feeling we will see this all over Ithaca within a few short months?
8 posted on 04/25/2005 7:33:35 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: jalisco555
Noelle finally chose to go diaperless and looked to traditional cultures for inspiration. "How I longed for a simple, dirt-floored, baby-friendly hut like that of a Yequana family," he wrote. .

Simple solution, MOVE.

9 posted on 04/25/2005 7:33:45 AM PDT by sharkhawk (I really have to stop surfing at DU.)
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To: jalisco555
Noelle finally chose to go diaperless and looked to traditional cultures for inspiration. "How I longed for a simple, dirt-floored, baby-friendly hut like that of a Yequana family," he wrote.

Pitch your tent in the woods, nitwit. No one is stopping you.

10 posted on 04/25/2005 7:34:31 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: jalisco555

I have a question. How can something be retro AND cutting-edge at the same time?


11 posted on 04/25/2005 7:35:29 AM PDT by jtminton (The E.P.A.: Bringing you higher gas prices since 1970!)
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To: jalisco555
"There is a way to have a baby and NOT use diapers," says one website advocating diaperless babies. Parents are urged to get in tune with their infant's body signals and hold babies over toilets, buckets and shrubbery or any other convenient receptacle when nature calls.

Let me be the first to suggest that the dolts suggesting this as an alternative to diapers, don't have any children. And clearly have never dealt with children of diaper age.

12 posted on 04/25/2005 7:35:39 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: jalisco555; Peanut Gallery

Obviously, these morons have never had children of their own.


13 posted on 04/25/2005 7:35:56 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (C: May the Force be with you. P: And also with you.)
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To: jalisco555

They should go first and test it out for the rest of us!


14 posted on 04/25/2005 7:35:57 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: jalisco555

I bet Triumph the Insult Dog would have interesting things to say about this idea ...


15 posted on 04/25/2005 7:36:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: cicero's_son
Parents are urged to get in tune with their infant's body signals and hold babies over toilets, buckets and shrubbery or any other convenient receptacle when nature calls.

Imagine eating at a restaurant while the mom at the next table is holding her baby over a bucket. Certainly adds to the ambiance!

16 posted on 04/25/2005 7:36:48 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555
Natec agrees with Noelle that modern society has a lot to learn from the traditional ways of life.

Like how to cope with high infant mortality and short life expectancies...

17 posted on 04/25/2005 7:36:48 AM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: jalisco555
People around the world who have no access to diapers manage to raise children

Yes, these are the same people who shit in their own drinking water and have a life expectency that tops out in the late twenties.

Liberals always aspire to emulate the biggest losers on the planet, and they usually succeed.

18 posted on 04/25/2005 7:37:11 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: jalisco555

Give them rice bowls send them off to a Mongolian commune.


19 posted on 04/25/2005 7:37:30 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: jalisco555
"These parents may rely on using public bathrooms, or bring along a container such as a tight -lidded bucket,"

That better be one hell of a tight lidded bucket. Then again I'm not sure if my Road Rage could handle having a bucket of poo on the front seat. First guy who tail gates me off is getting the mother load. High lob timed to hit his windshield at 60 miles an hour. Would that be biological war fare?
This is crazy, but if welfare states (ie NY) who pay for diapers for people who apparently didn't have enough money to buy a condom would require this, I might be okay with it. It'd save a lot of money.
20 posted on 04/25/2005 7:38:15 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: jalisco555

Actually if you look at the average age for toilet training it has increased over the past few decades. Kids used to toilet train before the age of two. Now kids four and older are wearing diapers.


21 posted on 04/25/2005 7:38:30 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: jalisco555

I would agree to this radical idea as long as I was able to hold my baby over the head of an enviro-wacko when poo-poo time arrives.


22 posted on 04/25/2005 7:38:31 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (It takes all kinds of critters...to make Farmer Vincents fritters)
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To: jalisco555

Throwing out the huggies as I type........ Yeah Right.


23 posted on 04/25/2005 7:38:31 AM PDT by msp2004
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To: Professional Engineer
Obviously, these morons have never had children of their own.

The disposable diaper and the garage door opener are the two greatest inventions of the 20th century.

24 posted on 04/25/2005 7:38:42 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555

Mmmm, e-coli!


25 posted on 04/25/2005 7:39:12 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: sharkhawk

Native American children had a 90% mortality rate before their first birthday. Why not protest for Bubonic Plague Rights while you're at it.


26 posted on 04/25/2005 7:39:30 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: jalisco555
"There is a way to have a baby and NOT use diapers," says one website advocating diaperless babies. Parents are urged to get in tune with their infant's body signals and hold babies over toilets, buckets and shrubbery or any other convenient receptacle when nature calls.

I've read about this at a baby/pregnancy site. One lady claimed her daughter was potty trained at 3 months. They claim that only Western countries do the diaper thing.

27 posted on 04/25/2005 7:39:45 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Junior
Like how to cope with high infant mortality and short life expectancies...

And how to have six children so that two will live to adulthood.

28 posted on 04/25/2005 7:39:57 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: dead

True enough!


29 posted on 04/25/2005 7:40:11 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: massgopguy
Hey i'm immunized for the Bubonic Plague :) I say bring it on.
30 posted on 04/25/2005 7:41:00 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: TXBubba; ccmovrwc

Diapers now a no no ping.


31 posted on 04/25/2005 7:41:14 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: jalisco555
Diaperless Babies Seen As Earth-Friendly Solution An Eerily Accurate and Appropriate Metaphor for American Liberals, When You Stop and Think About It.
32 posted on 04/25/2005 7:41:28 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-G-d, PRO-LIFE..." -- FR founder Jim Robinson)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

OMG!!!


I can see it now!!! Mothers running around after naked kids with pooper scooper's and plastic bags!

Just like walking the dog in Ithica.


33 posted on 04/25/2005 7:41:31 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: jalisco555

Aggghhhh!

it's the women who change a baby's diaper RIGHT THERE in a restaurant who get me. And then they get naasty if you say anything to them.

for cryin' out loud.

i didn't inflict my daughter's mess on anyone else...

Take the kid to the Ladies Room,, back to the car, or better still hire a baby-sitter and leave them home, or else don't go at all.

I am paying good money for this meal, and should not have tp see (or smell) your kid's diapers!


34 posted on 04/25/2005 7:41:35 AM PDT by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: jalisco555

More commonalities between the 'Left' and the Jihadist. . .both have declared war on 'modernity'; our enemy within.


35 posted on 04/25/2005 7:41:58 AM PDT by cricket (Just say - NO U.N.)
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To: jalisco555

"...some in the green movement are now advocating 'diaper-free' babies to help SAVE the planet."

Envision a battalion of bare-butted, cape-wearing toddlers running around like Super Heroes, LOL!

EnviroWackos make me nuts. (See my tagline.)


36 posted on 04/25/2005 7:42:04 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: jalisco555
>>"When the baby has to go, the parent holds him or her in a comfortable position over an appropriate toilet place and makes a cueing sound (perhaps a gentle "sss")."<<

Actually, I read about this about 5 years ago when I was looking into Potty Training my youngest daughter.
If I am not mistaken, the same cultures that use this form of training also masturbate their children to comfort them when they cry.

Oh yeah, this would be just the ticket /sarcasm off/.

When animals need to stimulate urination in their young, they lick the appropriate area. I think the greens should start with licking the urine and feces of their babies and then we will talk.
37 posted on 04/25/2005 7:42:18 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Pope B16-Smacking down Heresy since 1981! God Bless him!)
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To: jalisco555

I don't think this could be any more funny if it HAD been a parody, which it certainly resembles.

When debating "cultural issues" with liberals, I sometimes throw up my hands and say "well, maybe using restrooms rather than relieving one's self in the street is 'societal repression' also. I always thought it was the most flippant, idiotic idea, and the logical extreme of a liberal philosophy which I never expected to come to pass.

But here it is, being advocated.

What the heck is a "dry toilet"?

Thank God Gore never got into the White House.


38 posted on 04/25/2005 7:43:43 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: jalisco555

...hold them over shrubbery? And wipe the dirty heinie with what? Leaves?


39 posted on 04/25/2005 7:44:20 AM PDT by lsee
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To: jalisco555

I got a concept for these idiots...here it comes...cloth diapers.

100% biodegradable, renewable, reusable, earth friendly and cheap.

When we had our first kid, we figured the cost. $10-15 per week for disposables vs. 60 cents for a load of laundry.

BTW, I'm about as far from a tree hugger as you can find. I planted a styrofoam cup on earth day to see if it would grow. While I practice "Leave No Trace" in the wilderness. Trees are a crop and should be managed and used as such.


40 posted on 04/25/2005 7:44:20 AM PDT by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teach 'em young to be men, and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: jalisco555
Shopping with a diaperless baby

Oh great, now we are going to have babies pooping and peeing all over the shopping cart seats. I'm sure those things are already filthy enough.

41 posted on 04/25/2005 7:44:22 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: tiamat

Too true. However, you haven't really parented unless you've changed a diarrhea-soaked diaper in an airplane toilet in turbulence. Talk about seperating the men from the boys!


42 posted on 04/25/2005 7:44:22 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
"Another truly s#itty idea from the lib whacks."

. . .and will no doubt appeal to those 'Mom's; who are still nursing their 'yet-to-be-toilet-trained, three-year old. . .

43 posted on 04/25/2005 7:44:23 AM PDT by cricket (Just say - NO U.N.)
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To: jalisco555; cyborg; fortunecookie; onyx
Diaper Free: The Gentle Wisdom of Natural Infant Hygiene

Laugh or cry? I don't know.

44 posted on 04/25/2005 7:44:54 AM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: jalisco555
There is never an end to granola-munching nitwittery. They should all move to some Third World pest hole post-haste.

We expect people to pick up after their dogs. Is it too much to expect people not to let their kids shit in the gutter?

-ccm

45 posted on 04/25/2005 7:45:06 AM PDT by ccmay (Question Diversity)
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To: cvq3842
"What the heck is a "dry toilet"? "

I'd guess it's a direct descendant of the outhouse.

46 posted on 04/25/2005 7:45:44 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: beaversmom

"Oh great, now we are going to have babies pooping and peeing all over the shopping cart seats. I'm sure those things are already filthy enough.
"

It'll be like going to PetsMart every day.


47 posted on 04/25/2005 7:45:50 AM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: jalisco555

"The disposable diaper and the garage door opener are the two greatest inventions of the 20th century."

Two of three. The greatest invention was the coffee pot with the automatic timer.

Now, as to this article. Let's see, the enviro-nazis want us all to ride public transportation along with a bunch of diaperless babies?


48 posted on 04/25/2005 7:46:01 AM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: All

The parents of a friend of mine once went to China. I can remember her father coming home none to pleased -- seems that diapers aren't used in China (or weren't used at the time).

This is typical nonsense of the left -- if someone in Europe or Asia or anywhere other than the U.S. does something, then it must be good. I don't mind embracing certain aspects of other cultures -- the food, for example -- but not something like this.


49 posted on 04/25/2005 7:46:10 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: jalisco555

The idea is to revert to the state of the third world where there never have been diapers.

The absence of diapers is probably acceptable in semitropic and tropic third world where the practice is common, but where it is cold, the practice is untenable.


50 posted on 04/25/2005 7:46:56 AM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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