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Fla. Gun Law to Expand Leeway for Self-Defense
Washington Post ^ | 4/26/05 | Manuel Roig-Franzia

Posted on 04/26/2005 6:02:47 AM PDT by jalisco555

MIAMI -- It is either a Wild West revival, a return to the days of "shoot first and ask questions later," or a triumph for the "Castle Doctrine" -- the notion that enemies invade personal space at their peril.

Such dueling rhetoric marked the debate over a measure that Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) could sign as early as Tuesday. The legislation passed so emphatically that National Rifle Association backers plan to take it to statehouses across the nation, including Virginia's, over the next year. The law will let Floridians "meet force with force," erasing the "duty to retreat" when they fear for their lives outside of their homes, in their cars or businesses, or on the street.

NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said in an interview that the Florida measure is the "first step of a multi-state strategy" that he hopes can capitalize on a political climate dominated by conservative opponents of gun control at the state and national levels.

"There's a big tailwind we have, moving from state legislature to state legislature," LaPierre said. "The South, the Midwest, everything they call 'flyover land' -- if John Kerry held a shotgun in that state, we can pass this law in that state."

The Florida measure says any person "has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; brady; goodsense; jebbush; nra; secondammendment

1 posted on 04/26/2005 6:02:54 AM PDT by jalisco555
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To: jalisco555
Here's my favorite quote from the piece (which I forgot to include in the excerpt)

"I am in absolute shock," Sarah Brady, chair of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said in an interview. "If I had known about it, I would have been down there."

2 posted on 04/26/2005 6:04:09 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555

An armed society is a polite society...


3 posted on 04/26/2005 6:04:32 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase ("Every man dies, but not every man truly lives...." Braveheart)
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To: Dubh_Ghlase

bingo


4 posted on 04/26/2005 6:05:39 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An Armed Society is a Polite Society" Heinlein)
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To: jalisco555
Well, this should be interesting!
I think it is about time that the good guys got the benifit of the doubt.

GE
5 posted on 04/26/2005 6:05:48 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: jalisco555

*gasps in shock*

government in my home state...doing something intelligent....heart can't handle it....


6 posted on 04/26/2005 6:07:03 AM PDT by Kidan (www.krashpad.com)
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To: jalisco555

"This," [Sarah] Brady says of the new Florida measure, "will be the thing that will awaken the sleeping great number of Middle Americans who will think this is so absurd."

Correction, you ignorant wuss....this will be the thing that will awaken the great number of Middle Americans who will think this is an idea whose time has come, especially since no one except the private citizen seems to give a damn about border security.


7 posted on 04/26/2005 6:07:55 AM PDT by NRA1995 ("The Minuteman Project: doing the jobs our government doesn't want")
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To: jalisco555
"I am in absolute shock," Sarah Brady, chair of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said in an interview. "If I had known about it, I would have been down there."

Sounds like they managed to keep this one quiet. That could be a good thing or a bad thing.

8 posted on 04/26/2005 6:08:30 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: jalisco555

I don't own a gun. I support the right to bear arms. Florida is a place prone to home invasions and a mecca for people on the run. Ms. Brady won't be around to protect our homes. But this will make many criminals think twice.


9 posted on 04/26/2005 6:12:20 AM PDT by Calusa (itís a mere fig leaf of fairness.)
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To: jalisco555
Critics argue that the measure is so broad it will encourage fights between neighbors, parents at soccer games or drinking buddies to escalate into gunfights.

Imagine that; the DUmmies may start shooting each other if they disagree in a thread.

10 posted on 04/26/2005 6:13:49 AM PDT by NRA1995 ("The Minuteman Project: doing the jobs our government doesn't want")
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To: jalisco555
Maybe all those gun toten rednecks can scare some of them sissy liberals back up north... Make some room!

Mike

11 posted on 04/26/2005 6:15:03 AM PDT by MichaelP
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To: NRA1995
Critics argue that the measure is so broad it will encourage fights between neighbors, parents at soccer games or drinking buddies to escalate into gunfights.

Thats an old arguement that hasn't held up when other states passeed concealed carry laws. The Left is out of ideas.

12 posted on 04/26/2005 6:15:39 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: jalisco555

She just keeps leeching off of her husband's misery.


13 posted on 04/26/2005 6:17:52 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Fenris6
Thats an old argument that hasn't held up when other states passed concealed carry laws. The Left is out of ideas.

Agreed; but then the Left feels that Communism would have worked in the Soviet Union if it had been given more time. Fairy tales abound among those idiots. Still laughing here at the image of DUmmies shooting it out.

14 posted on 04/26/2005 6:19:07 AM PDT by NRA1995 ("The Minuteman Project: doing the jobs our government doesn't want")
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To: NRA1995
Still laughing here at the image of DUmmies shooting it out.

DUmmies with firearms? Ha. Darwin will run rampant when that day comes ;)

15 posted on 04/26/2005 6:23:51 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: jalisco555
My Grandfather was a victim of the old Florida law back in the 1920's. He killed a man in clear self defense but was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Fortunately the governor realized an injustice had been done and gave him a full pardon after he had served less than a year.

16 posted on 04/26/2005 6:28:01 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: MichaelP

"Maybe all those gun toten rednecks can scare some of them sissy liberals back up north..."

One can only hope!


17 posted on 04/26/2005 6:31:26 AM PDT by poobear
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To: jalisco555
National Rifle Association backers plan to take it to statehouses across the nation,

One can only hope.

18 posted on 04/26/2005 6:31:52 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: OKSooner
Just one recent example of the overall positive effect the NRA has had on the restoration of our human rights.

There are many others. As I have stated before, warts nonwithstanding, if we didn't have the NRA, the RKBA would have been nullified over a quarter-century ago.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

19 posted on 04/26/2005 6:35:08 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: yarddog; jalisco555
Fortunately here in Alabama it is not illegal to take another's life. It is illegal to illegally take another's life.

First the DA has to show that your actions were illegal, then the charge has to make it through the Grand Jury.
After having served on our Grand Jury, I understand the wisdom of our founders in setting up that system.

Regards
GE
20 posted on 04/26/2005 6:47:57 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: 1Old Pro
National Rifle Association backers plan to take it to statehouses across the nation,

New York, please.

21 posted on 04/26/2005 6:51:31 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Fenris6
The Left is out of ideas.

That's been true since the 40's at least.

22 posted on 04/26/2005 6:52:49 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555

Another fine job from Ms. Marion Hammer. She was the leader in the Florida concealed carry fight (where the left used exactly the same silly "Wild West" rhetoric), and Ms. Hammer did a fine job shepherding this one also.


23 posted on 04/26/2005 6:55:28 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: jalisco555
New York, please.

We can't even get "unrestricted" concealed carry in most NY counties, I doubt this liberal legislature will do anything to support our right to crry.

Besides, they just reinstituted the so-called assault weapon ban in NY....unbelievable.

24 posted on 04/26/2005 6:59:43 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: jalisco555

This legislation has the Brady Bunch and criminals (but, I repeat myself) quaking in their Birkenstocks and boots, respectively.


25 posted on 04/26/2005 7:07:19 AM PDT by Gritty ("Tread carefully if you think this is simply about a woman allowed to die peacefully-Pastor W. Rice)
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To: Fenris6
"DUmmies with firearms? Ha. Darwin will run rampant when that day comes ;)"

Last night, Slashdot was loaded with post after post of distressed lefties writing that they want to form armed militias and overthrow our government. They're not even hiding it anymore.
26 posted on 04/26/2005 7:07:20 AM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: Calusa

I don't own a gun


Why not?


27 posted on 04/26/2005 7:29:37 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: 1Old Pro
We can't even get "unrestricted" concealed carry in most NY counties, I doubt this liberal legislature will do anything to support our right to crry.

I know. I was unable to prove to the judge overseeing handgun permits that I had a "need" for a concealed carry permit. I've about had it with this state.

28 posted on 04/26/2005 8:49:41 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: School of Rational Thought

I'm just a klutz.


29 posted on 04/26/2005 9:08:41 AM PDT by Calusa (itís a mere fig leaf of fairness.)
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To: MichaelP
Maybe all those gun toten rednecks can scare some of them sissy liberals back up north

Reinstitute the Draft, that'll do it. And no more dual-citizenship.

30 posted on 04/26/2005 12:49:03 PM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: jalisco555
The BEST part about this law (speaking as a Floridian and a firearms instructor) is that once this is signed into law, it will bar the attacker (or his estate) from filing a lawsuit to recover damages (assuming the shooting is ruled justifiable in the first place). ALSO, it bars an antigun jurisdiction (like my area of Miami-Dade, and again, assuming a justifiable shooting) from arresting the shooter to harass and recklessly prosecute for the sake of deterrence in order to send a signal to other gunowners not to shoot the downtrodden and misunderstood criminals.....

We MUST go on the offensive and spread legislation like this to other states. Force the Brady Bunch and the Million Morons to run around and try and stamp out pro-gun fires rather than allow them time to cook up more ways to deprive us the use of arms in self defense.

We need to start rolling back more of the 20,000 gun laws on the books that are useless (all of 'em) and put the antifreedom crowd into a tailspin from which it will require 100 years to recover.

31 posted on 04/26/2005 1:10:59 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
We need to start rolling back more of the 20,000 gun laws on the books that are useless (all of 'em) and put the antifreedom crowd into a tailspin from which it will require 100 years to recover.

I agree. Is there any evidence that any gun control law in any jurisdiction has prevented even a single crime? I'm aware of none.

32 posted on 04/26/2005 1:50:24 PM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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