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Frist, Reid Work on Judge-Approval Deal
AP Via Yahoo! ^ | 4-26-05 | JESSE J. HOLLAND

Posted on 04/26/2005 6:45:53 AM PDT by Houmatt

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid is quietly talking to the Senate's chief Republican about confirming at least two of President Bush's blocked judicial nominees but only as part of a compromise that would require the GOP to end its threat to eliminate judicial filibusters, officials say.

Reid also wants a concession from Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, officials said speaking on condition of anonymity: the replacement of a third Michigan nominee with one approved by that state's two Democratic senators.

At the same time, these officials say Reid remains opposed to four conservative candidates for other appellate circuits, Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown, William G. Myers III and William H. Pryor Jr.

Senators would not confirm details Monday, but Reid said that he has had had numerous conversations with senators in both parties in hopes of avoiding a showdown. "As part of any resolution, the nuclear option must be off the table," Reid said in a statement referring to the GOP threat to change filibuster rules.

The officials spoke only on condition of anonymity, citing the confidential nature of the conversations between the two leaders.

But Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said Sunday there had been a "a lot of negotiations to try to get three judges from Michigan" confirmed. Other senators have referred vaguely in recent days to discussions surrounding Bush's nominations to the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, whose jurisdiction includes Michigan.

This comes as senators try to negotiate their way out of a looming confrontation over whether Democrats can block Bush's judicial nominees through filibuster threats.

Republicans have threatened to use their majority to change long-standing senatorial rules that Democrats used to block 10 of Bush's first-term appeals court nominations. They fear a Democratic blockade could affect a Supreme Court vacancy if a high court seat opens in Bush's second term.

Democrats, who argue the nominees are too conservative to warrant lifetime appointments to the nation's highest courts, have threatened to block the seven nominees Bush sent back after winning re-election and any others they consider out of the mainstream.

Officials said as part of an overall deal, Reid has indicated he is willing to allow the confirmation of Richard Griffin and David McKeague, both of whom Bush has twice nominated for the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. At the same time, the Democratic leader wants the nomination of Henry Saad scuttled. Democrats succeeded in blocking all three men from coming to a vote in 2004 in a struggle that turned on issues of senatorial prerogatives as well as ideology.

Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record), D-Mich., has led the opposition to all three men. He said Republicans had refused even to hold hearings on two of former President Bill Clinton's nominees to the 6th Circuit.

Democrats drew criticism when they threatened to stop or slow the Senate's business if Republicans eliminate judicial filibusters. Democratic leaders began stressing an alternative approach during the day, attempting to force debate on their own agenda rather than the president's.

"I've always said that we'd make sure the Senate went forward, but we're going to do it on our agenda, not their agenda," Reid said.

Republicans can essentially eliminate judicial filibusters by majority vote, and Democrats concede Frist may be only one or two votes shy of the necessary total. At the same time, internal GOP polling shows lagging public support for such a move, and no showdown is expected until next month at the earliest.

Senate Republicans have been warning Reid that Democrats could face a backlash if they stopped routine Senate business, noting that House Republicans and then-Speaker Newt Gingrich suffered politically after forcing a government shutdown in a 1995 budget fight with Clinton.

But Reid and other Democrats say they will let vital legislation out of the Senate. "I'm not Newt Gingrich," Reid said. "I understand how the body works. We're not going to close down the Senate. Far from it, we're going to have a very active Senate."

"Anything that's vital, we will continue to move forward on: money for our troops or a highway bill or a transportation bill," added Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y., in a conference call. "But on other issues, what we are going to try to do is utilize the Senate rules to start focusing on issues that we think matter to the American people, whether it's gas prices or education or health care."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: coward; filibuster; goodbyegop; invertebrate; nobackbone; ussenate; wuss; yellow
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I would suggest calling Frist's office and getting on his butt about what he is trying to do here, but I think that would be a waste of time.

Say goodbye to a GOP majority in 2006.

1 posted on 04/26/2005 6:45:53 AM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt
To-may-to/To-mah-to
Po-tay-to/Po-tah-to
Deal/Complete spineless Republican surrender

Just little differences in pronunciation.

2 posted on 04/26/2005 6:50:38 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Blackwell for Governor 2006: hated by the 'Rats, feared by the RINOs.)
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To: Houmatt

"I've always said that we'd make sure the Senate went forward, but we're going to do it on our agenda, not their agenda," Reid said.




I'm so sick of this crap that I could just scream!!! Is there ANY WAY we can get a little backbone in the Republican Party?


3 posted on 04/26/2005 6:51:40 AM PDT by Maria S
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To: Houmatt
AGREE...but, considered the scource: AP (any cr*pweasel can post to the AP)....this story had better be CR*P.
4 posted on 04/26/2005 6:52:24 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: Houmatt

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid is quietly talking to the Senate's chief Republican about confirming at least two of President Bush's blocked judicial nominees but only as part of a compromise that would require the GOP to end its threat to eliminate judicial filibusters, officials say.

Reid also wants a concession from Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, officials said speaking on condition of anonymity: the replacement of a third Michigan nominee with one approved by that state's two Democratic senators.
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If this is true, this is TOTAL BULL EXCREMENT. Since when does the Congressional majority have to negotiate with OBSTRUCTIONISTS? The GOP is in big trouble if Frist is doing this. Major trouble.


5 posted on 04/26/2005 6:52:41 AM PDT by EagleUSA (q)
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To: Houmatt
Sounds like the GOP may have to preak out its emergency stash...


6 posted on 04/26/2005 6:54:30 AM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: Houmatt

This is Bravo Sierra -- Karl Rove weighed in and said there was no deal in the making according to a news report this morning. Why are Freepers so quick to believe AP which is nothing more than an arm of the DemocRATs. AP used to be fair but that disappeared a long time ago.


7 posted on 04/26/2005 6:55:52 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for Oklahoma Governor -- Run J.C. Run; Allen in 2008)
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To: Houmatt
I would suggest calling Frist's office and getting on his butt about what he is trying to do here, but I think that would be a waste of time.

I contacted Frist's office re: the Specter business. We all know how that turned out. All it got me was solicitations from Frist asking for $$$. I think I'll pass this time.

8 posted on 04/26/2005 6:56:24 AM PDT by An American In Dairyland
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To: Houmatt
Reid remains opposed to: Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown, William G. Myers III and William H. Pryor Jr.

WTH?

Did Frist vacation in France?????????????????????????

9 posted on 04/26/2005 6:57:09 AM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: Houmatt

If Frist does this then there is the END of his presidential goals.

REID IS PLAYING FRIST LIKE A VIOLIN.


THE Republicans are playing the senate like it is some sort of Country Club social!!! They are loosing!

Frist has forgotten the goal, the goal is beyond judges, the goal is to destroy the democrat party PERMANENTLY!

disgust beyond words.


10 posted on 04/26/2005 6:57:15 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Houmatt
NO! No! No!

Do you hear us now, Senator Frist? You had BETTER not do this.

11 posted on 04/26/2005 6:58:02 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl (Joseph Biden, one of the Senate’s foremost authorities on taking himself seriously.)
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To: Houmatt
No Republicans are quoted in the article.

The Rats are floating a trial balloon via AP. I think the Rats are counting noses and getting nervous.

12 posted on 04/26/2005 6:58:19 AM PDT by robomurph
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To: skeeter

It seems to me that if the Republicans roll on a compromise, especially Janice Rogers Brown, Frist and the Republican senate will be gelded for the forseeable future as well.


13 posted on 04/26/2005 6:59:29 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: PhiKapMom

I read the NY Times article last night and was initially very angry----until I realized that like this article, there is not one quote from Frist. All of the articles dealing with this last night and this morning could have been written by a Dem staffer (no shock, I know) but the point is that Frist has made no indication that he participating in negotiation---only that Reid is trying.

I was very happy to see Rove weigh in----I expect that the intended audience for his comments were Senate Republicans. Let's hope they get the message.


14 posted on 04/26/2005 7:00:11 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: Houmatt

and getting on his butt about what he is trying to do here,



What's he trying to do here?..... Seems it's the democrat senators talking about what they'd like to do. You don't see Sen. Frist talking about what compromises he'd like. It's all a publicity ploy by the democrats, imo.


15 posted on 04/26/2005 7:00:49 AM PDT by deport (You know you are getting older when everything either dries up or leaks.)
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To: Houmatt

Call the RNC @ 202-863-8500 and when directed press #1 and leave a message


16 posted on 04/26/2005 7:01:31 AM PDT by MJY1288 ( LIBERALISM IS FOR INVERTEBRATES)
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To: Houmatt

"I've always said that we'd make sure the Senate went forward, but we're going to do it on our agenda, not their agenda," Reid said. "

What arrogance!

Frist! Stop this crap...you guys WON! Not them.

Let 'em stop the business of the Senate...it will be on their heads.

Jeez...get some freakin spines.


17 posted on 04/26/2005 7:01:51 AM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: deport

Yep---the only Republican we've heard from publically on this is Rove and his message was pretty clear in my opinion.


18 posted on 04/26/2005 7:02:14 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: Houmatt

I smell a sell-out.


19 posted on 04/26/2005 7:03:32 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: PhiKapMom

Why are Freepers so quick to believe AP which is nothing more than an arm of the DemocRATs.



Note that you don't see one quote from Sen. Frist about any compromise. It's a PR effort by the democrats trying to bring public pressure to bear via the media, etc hoping above all hope that Sen. Frist doesn't follow through with the rule change.


20 posted on 04/26/2005 7:03:59 AM PDT by deport (You know you are getting older when everything either dries up or leaks.)
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To: All

What are the numbers to call?

This demands major action now!


21 posted on 04/26/2005 7:04:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: PhiKapMom
Why are Freepers so quick to believe AP which is nothing more than an arm of the DemocRATs.

No kidding. Between the AP and the NY Slimes RAT position promotions, the level of hysteria from some FReepers is astounding.

READ THIS to see what Karl Rove's response is.

Further, READ HERE to see Frists approach of having the filibusters ruled as dilitory.

And in the meantime some FReepers need to do a bit of a spinal check themselves. If you want to be helpful, start calling fence-sitting RINO's with your opinion.

22 posted on 04/26/2005 7:05:31 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Blogs have a strangle hold on the MSM. The MSM is kicking out the windshield.)
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To: Houmatt
If Frist gives in to Reid the Dems will still have the filibuster to use next time around, or for something else that we haven't heard about yet. Reid isn't making this gesture for nothing.

If Frist doesn't start getting tough with the Dems now how can he expect to become a presidential candidate in 2008?
23 posted on 04/26/2005 7:05:55 AM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: Houmatt

Surely you don't believe any of this. There's no way President Bush would allow Frist to make such a one sided "deal". Even Frist isn't this dumb.
This AP article has "democrat spinning crap" written all over it. Reid must be getting desperate.


24 posted on 04/26/2005 7:05:59 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@)
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To: prairiebreeze

so where is Frists office comming forward to counter Reid's PR stunt?

If this is just an effort by Reid to show democrats as "in charge" despite being a minority then it is working very well.

Frist and the Republicans need to spank the democrats HARD in order to teach the public that democrats are the minortiy party and will be treated as such.

Remember folks demcrats are NOT THE MAINSTREAM ANYMORE.


25 posted on 04/26/2005 7:09:39 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: YaYa123

"This AP article has "democrat spinning crap" written all over it. Reid must be getting desperate."

I think the short-sighted tactic that Reid is employing here is that he has made comments that the NY Times, Wash Post, etc. etc. can now use to bat the GOP over the head with in their own slanted ways.

When the GOP rejects this the press will portray them as the bad guys.

I see this as desperation on the part of Reid as well.


26 posted on 04/26/2005 7:10:33 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: deport
Exactly deport. But you know we should all jump the guns and make it that Frist already agreed on this supposed deal and start attacking the GOP. This is the best thing we do recently on FR.
27 posted on 04/26/2005 7:10:58 AM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: Houmatt

Color me worried.


28 posted on 04/26/2005 7:11:57 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Houmatt

The only deal we should accept is, no filibusters at all. That is, the democranks should avoid bringing up the issue at all so that the Republicans cannot hammer it into the ground.


29 posted on 04/26/2005 7:13:37 AM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: PhiKapMom

I didn't read your # 7 before I replied. I'm glad to know we're in total agreement.

A wussy cave by Frist is the only way the Democrats can win this fight.


30 posted on 04/26/2005 7:13:56 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Rush Was Great Explaining This Yesterday...Bet It's More Of The Same Today.com)
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To: EagleUSA

If Reid is in the position where he feels negotiating is a better deal for their side, we definitely should steamroll the fillibster.


31 posted on 04/26/2005 7:16:32 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: prairiebreeze
Go here to read Laura Ingraham's take on this.
32 posted on 04/26/2005 7:17:08 AM PDT by Houmatt (Another dead child in Florida! When are we gonna stand up and say, "Enough!")
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Say goodbye to a GOP majority in 2006.

This, for me, seals the deal.

I am no longer a Republican. I am a man without a party.

It geniunely does not matter if I vote Republican. Nothing changes if I do, anyways. No matter what, I will get more liberalism.

33 posted on 04/26/2005 7:19:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: finnman69

If Reid is in the position where he feels negotiating is a better deal for their side, we definitely should steamroll the fillibster.
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What the radical obstructionist Dems are doing, is unheard of in Congressional history. They are SO AFRAID of losing the ability TO CORRUPT THE JUDICIARY as an instrument to place their far-left agenda. They MUST BE STEAMROLLED and the GOP needs to exercise its power as they have been mandated by thier voters that put them there!!!


34 posted on 04/26/2005 7:20:12 AM PDT by EagleUSA (q)
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To: Houmatt
Frist should grow some male hormone producers and tell Reid:

"We don't negotiate with terrorists, we exterminate them.

35 posted on 04/26/2005 7:21:45 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Maria S

That would require a transplant.


36 posted on 04/26/2005 7:21:58 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Houmatt

Let me get this straight....Republicans are the majority party and democrats are offering a deal in which Republicans get 3 out of 7 of what they're asking for.

Did I hear that right?

3 out of seven??? The Pubs would be idiots.

There are two acceptable alternatives.

1. Change the cloture rule as it applies to the filibustering of judges. This is my personal favorite.

2. Go back to the old system of all nominees come to the floor for an up or down vote. Once they get there, they are free to be borked. In fact, the borking of nominees is to be expected. If they can't stand the heat, then they shouldn't volunteer to be nominated.


37 posted on 04/26/2005 7:22:56 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Houmatt

To your great chagrin the GOP will remain the majority in 2006 and for many years to go.


38 posted on 04/26/2005 7:26:09 AM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: Houmatt
Simply put, filibustering is not permissible relative to an up or down vote for Judaical Nominees, whether in the committee or the full Senate, so why not move on?
39 posted on 04/26/2005 7:27:45 AM PDT by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: Houmatt
This has nothing to do with this stupid AP article about Reid making a deal with Frist and you and the some other doomers and gloomers are making it like it is already a done deal.
40 posted on 04/26/2005 7:29:48 AM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

If Frist does this, my check book just closed for a long time.


41 posted on 04/26/2005 7:52:07 AM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, (OIL FIELD TRASH was fun))
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To: Houmatt

I see this as the Dems positioning themselves for the aftermath. They know Frist won't blink, and they know they're about to lose. This little play allows them to claim (at least with a compliant media) that they extended the hand of reasonable compromise, but the hardline extremist Republicans caved to their Jesusland overlords and slapped the hand of friendship and concord away. Blah, blah, blah...


42 posted on 04/26/2005 8:15:04 AM PDT by GOP Jedi
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To: Houmatt

Senator Frist, repeat after me: We are the majority. We are the majority.

Reid is bluffing and looking to buy respectability like an old whore in order to appear reasonable when USSC vacancy opens up.


43 posted on 04/26/2005 8:30:18 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: longtermmemmory
REID IS PLAYING FRIST LIKE A VIOLIN.

Wrong. Reid is playing his friends in the MSM, and hot-heads like you, like violins. a. Consider the source. b. Just because you and I "discuss" the idea of having you mow my lawn tonight, that clearly does not mean it's going to happen. c. the latest public statement from the Majority Leader, who probably isn't too happy about the way the Democrats demonized him recently is: "no deal". When that changes, feel free to worry. Until then this is all just Harry Reid pandering to the "moderates" amongst us.

44 posted on 04/26/2005 8:43:06 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: Houmatt
Bumping along the following response to you posted democrat diatribe........

But Frist, in a rare news conference conducted on the Senate floor, said he would not accept any deal that keeps his Republican majority from confirming judicial nominees that have been approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"Are we going to step back from that principle? The answer to that is no," Frist said.

Frist Says He's Not Interested In Deals


45 posted on 04/26/2005 9:08:10 AM PDT by deport (You know you are getting older when everything either dries up or leaks.)
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To: deport; wolf24; PhiKapMom
MSM/DNC effort to spin the news so that when the GOP pulls the trigger, they can then claim that it was the Republicans that walked away from the bargaining table. Which was never reality outside the AP/NYT war rooms.
46 posted on 04/26/2005 9:27:34 AM PDT by PogySailor
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To: Houmatt; All

NO DEALS FRIST! IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL! UP OR DOWN FRIST OR FILE TO RUN FOR OFFICE IN THE NEXT ELECTION ON A LIBERAL TICKET!

WE WANT ALL LIMP WRISTED, SPINELESS RINOS OUT OF OUR PARTY NOW!!!

REPUBLICAN OR LIBERAL! PERIOD!

NO FENCE SITTING!

NOT WITH A MAJORITY YOU DON'T!!!!!


47 posted on 04/26/2005 9:33:25 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: deport

GOOD! Thanks for posting this! I haven't seen this!


48 posted on 04/26/2005 9:46:40 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: All

EXCELLENT SITE!

THE JUDICIAL CONFIRMATION NETWORK
Working to ensure a FAIR appointment process.....

http://judicialnetwork.com/


49 posted on 04/26/2005 9:48:17 AM PDT by IleeneWright
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To: PhiKapMom
This is Rat & MSM dreaming. Frist has more to lose at this point by not pulling the nuke trigger than he has by pulling it. I think there's more panic on Reid's side than Frist's.

Does anyone have any scoop on the judges Carl Lenin and Stab us now want to ram through?

50 posted on 04/26/2005 10:10:11 AM PDT by Credo
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