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CSpan ^ | 4/27/2005

Posted on 04/27/2005 7:02:09 AM PDT by katieanna

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HARKIN (AND OTHERS) AMENDMENT NO. 1 (Senate - January 04, 1995)

[Page: S422] GPO's PDF

Mr. HARKIN (for himself, Mr. Lieberman, Mr. Pell, and Mr. Robb) proposed an amendment to the resolution (S. Res. 14) amending paragraph 2 of Rule XXV; as follows:
At the appropriate place, insert the following:

SEC. XX. SENATE CLOTURE PROVISION.
Paragraph 2 of rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate is amended to read as follows:

`2. (a) Notwithstanding the provisions of rule II or rule IV or any other rule of the Senate, at any time a motion signed by sixteen Senators, to bring to a close the debate upon any measure, motion, other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, is presented to the Senate, the Presiding Officer, or clerk at the direction of the Presiding Officer, shall at once state the motion to the Senate, and one hour after the Senate meets on the following calendar day but one, he shall lay the motion before the Senate and direct that the clerk call the roll, and upon the ascertainment that a quorum is present, the Presiding Officer shall, without debate, submit to the Senate by a yea-and-nay vote the question: `Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?' And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn--except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting--then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of.

`Thereafter no Senator shall be entitled to speak in all more than one hour on the measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, the amendments thereto, and motions affecting the same, and it shall be the duty of the Presiding Officer to keep the time of each Senator who speaks. Except by unanimous consent, no amendment shall be proposed after the vote to bring the debate to a close, unless it had been submitted in writing to the Journal Clerk by 1 o'clock p.m. on the day following the filing of the cloture motion if an amendment in the first degree, and unless it had been so submitted at least one hour prior to the beginning of the cloture vote if an amendment in the second degree. No dilatory motion, or dilatory amendment, or amendment not germane shall be in order. Points of order, including questions of relevancy, and appeals from the decision of the Presiding Officer, shall be decided without debate.

`After no more than thirty hours of consideration of the measure, motion, or other matter on which cloture has been invoked, the Senate shall proceed, without any further debate on any question, to vote on the final disposition thereof to the exclusion of all amendments not then actually pending before the Senate at that time and to the exclusion of all motions, except a motion to table, or to reconsider and one quorum call on demand to establish the presence of a quorum (and motions required to establish a quorum) immediately before the final vote begins. The thirty hours may be increased by the adoption of a motion, decided without debate, by a three-fifths affirmative vote of the Senators duly chosen and sworn, and any such time thus agreed upon shall be equally divided between and controlled by the Majority and Minority Leaders or their designees. However, only one motion to extend time, specified above, may be made in any one calendar day.

`If, for any reason, a measure or matter is reprinted after cloture has been invoked, amendments which were in order prior to the reprinting of the measure or matter will continue to be in order and may be conformed and reprinted at the request of the amendment's sponsor. The conforming changes must be limited to lineation and pagination.
`No Senator shall call up more than two amendments until every other Senator shall have had the opportunity to do likewise.

`Notwithstanding other provisions of this rule, a Senator may yield all or part of his one hour to the majority or minority floor managers of the measure, motion, or matter or to the Majority or Minority Leader, but each Senator specified shall not have more than two hours so yielded to him and may in turn yield such time to other Senators.
`Notwithstanding any other provision of this rule, any Senator who has not used or yielded at least ten minutes, is, if he seeks recognition, guaranteed up to ten minutes, inclusive, to speak only.

`After cloture is invoked, the reading of any amendment, including House amendments, shall be dispensed with when the proposed amendment has been identified and has been available in printed form at the desk of the Members for not less than twenty-four hours.

`(b)(1) If, upon a vote taken on a motion presented pursuant to subparagraph (a), the Senate fails to invoke cloture with respect to a measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, subsequent motions to bring debate to a close may be made with respect to the same measure, motion, matter, or unfinished business. It shall not be in order to file subsequent cloture motions on any measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, except by unanimous consent, until the previous motion has been disposed of.

`(2) Such subsequent motions shall be made in the manner provided by, and subject to the provisions of, subparagraph (a), except that the affirmative vote required to bring to a close debate upon that measure, motion, or other matter, or unfinished business (other than a measure or motion to amend Senate rules) shall be reduced by three votes on the second such motion, and by three additional votes on each succeeding motion, until the affirmative vote is reduced to a number equal to or less than an affirmative vote of a majority of the Senators duly chosen and sworn. The required vote shall then be an affirmative vote of a majority of the Senators duly chosen and sworn. The requirement of an affirmative vote of a majority of the Senators duly chosen and sworn shall not be further reduced upon any vote taken on any later motion made pursuant to this subparagraph with respect to that measure, motion, matter, or unfinished business.'

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161 posted on 04/27/2005 4:38:54 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Cboldt

So it was the 19 Senators that voted nay that wanted the change.......

NAYs ---19
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Bryan (D-NV)
Bumpers (D-AR)
Feingold (D-WI)
Graham (D-FL)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerrey (D-NE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Moseley-Braun (D-IL)
Pell (D-RI)
Pryor (D-AR)
Robb (D-VA)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Simon (D-IL)
Wellstone (D-MN)


162 posted on 04/27/2005 4:41:28 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
Yep. That's it. Thanks for the link to Thomas and the Congressional Record.

I enjoyed the article in Harvard Law and Policy Review. It gave a good feel for the long-term dysfunctionality of the Senate, and Alice in Wonderland nature of parliamentary procedure in the Senate.

163 posted on 04/27/2005 4:41:37 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: OXENinFLA
The NAY vote is NAY to table the motion. THose who voted NAY wanted to continue debate and eventually "get to the question."
164 posted on 04/27/2005 4:43:08 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
Go HERE And click on "AMENDING PARAGRAPH 2 OF RULE XXV (Senate - January 04, 1995)" about 1/2 way down.


Mr. HARKIN. Mr. President, for the benefit of the Senators who are here and watching on the monitors, we now have before us an amendment by myself, Senator Lieberman, Senator Pell, and Senator Robb that would amend rule XXII, the so-called filibuster rule of the U.S. Senate. This is an amendment that was agreed upon--at least the procedure was agreed upon for this amendment--between Senator Dole and myself earlier today under a unanimous consent agreement.

This amendment would change the way this Senate operates more fundamentally than anything that has been proposed thus far this year. It would fundamentally change the way we do business by changing the filibuster rule as it currently stands.

Mr. President, the last Congress showed us the destructive impact filibusters can have on the legislative process, provoking gridlock after gridlock, frustration, anger, and despondency among the American people, wondering whether we can get anything done at all here in Washington. The pattern of filibusters and delays that we saw in the last Congress is part of the rising tide of filibusters that have overwhelmed our legislative process.

While some may gloat and glory in the frustration and anger that the American people felt toward our institution which resulted in the tidal wave of dissatisfaction that struck the majority in Congress, I believe in the long run that it will harm the Senate and our Nation for this pattern to continue. As this chart shows, Mr. President, there has indeed been a rising tide in the use of the filibuster. In the last two Congresses, in 1987 to 1990, and 1991 to 1994, there have been twice as many filibusters per year as there were the last time the Republicans controlled the Senate, from 1981 to 1986, and 10 times as many as occurred between 1917 and 1960. Between 1917 and 1960, there were an average of 1.3 per session. However, in the last Congress, there were 10 times that many. This is not healthy for our legislative process and it is not healthy for our country.

The second chart I have here compares filibusters in the entire 19th century and in the last Congress. We had twice as many filibusters in the 103d Congress as we had in the entire 100 years of the 19th century.

Clearly, this is a process that is out of control. We need to change the rules. We need to change the rules, however, without harming the longstanding Senate tradition of extended debate and deliberation, and slowing things down.

The third chart I have here shows the issues that were subject to filibusters in the last Congress. Some of these were merely delayed by filibusters. Others were killed outright, despite having the majority of both bodies and the President in favor of them. That is right. Some of these measures had a majority of support in the Senate and in the House, and by the President. Yet, they never saw the light of day. Others simply were perfunctory housekeeping types of issues.


And there's a BUNCH more.........Includeing a NYT article "From the New York Times, Jan. 1, 1995 "Time to Retire the Filibuster"

"The Gored Oxen"Ahhhhhhhh WTF!??!

165 posted on 04/27/2005 4:58:47 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

Good find there, Oxen.


166 posted on 04/27/2005 5:23:33 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Did I just hear Rick say they've voted on ending the Filibuster before, during the 90's and it was the DEMS that put it foward???

Yep .. Hatch mentioned it yesterday .. but the Dem bill wanted to end ALL filibusters

19 Dems voted for it

167 posted on 04/27/2005 5:57:02 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: OXENinFLA
No, that's not it either. Santourm said it was when he just got to the senate and he wasn't in there in 94.

It was in 95 or 96 .. I can't remember this date

168 posted on 04/27/2005 5:59:14 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: Mo1
Keep reading, I did some digging.....

And stop by over here when you're done w/ this thread.

Time to Retire the Filibuster [NYT Editorial 1-1-95] (A must read)

169 posted on 04/27/2005 6:00:24 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA

I just caught it ...

I'm a tad slow .. just got back from dinner for my daughter's Confirmation


170 posted on 04/27/2005 6:01:31 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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