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Vermont Governor James Douglas rips Senator Hillary Clinton on endorsement of tire burn
WCAX ^ | 4/27/05

Posted on 04/27/2005 2:17:03 PM PDT by Libloather

Douglas rips Sen. Clinton on endorsement of tire burn

MONTPELIER, Vt. Senator Hillary Clinton is jumping the gun in endorsing a two-week test tire burn at International Paper's Ticonderoga mill.

That's the word from Vermont Governor James Douglas in a letter to the New York Democrat today.

Douglas says Clinton's timing was off when she sent a letter earlier this month to the New York Department of Environmental Conservation urging that it approve the test tire burn.

The governor notes that International Paper has yet to file an application for a permit amendment.

He says he hopes the company will consider installing new and improved anti-pollution technology.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: burn; clinton; douglas; endorsement; environment; governor; hillary; james; rats; rips; senator; tire; vermont

The environmental candidate?

1 posted on 04/27/2005 2:17:19 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
This could be the most polluting proposal in the history of mankind, and the Riverkeepers, Sierra Club, Friends of the Earth and the rest will line up to hail Hillary! for her bold environmental vision. They'll probably call it "recycling" or something...
2 posted on 04/27/2005 2:20:36 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Libloather

The environmental candidate?
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This charlatan will be the master of being anything she needs to be, at any time. Remember how she all of the sudden became a Yankee fan, or a jew -- prior to the NY election? We might as well start calling her the woman (?) of a thousand faces. Maybe her girlfriends would object to that...notice how the MSM NEVER shows her below her shoulders...they don't want to lose advertisers!!!


3 posted on 04/27/2005 2:24:26 PM PDT by EagleUSA (q)
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To: Libloather

Smoke those tyres!!


4 posted on 04/27/2005 2:24:45 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: EagleUSA

follow da moneeeeeeeyyyyy


5 posted on 04/27/2005 2:24:56 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Libloather

As soon as she received the bribe, she thought it was a "go."


6 posted on 04/27/2005 2:26:17 PM PDT by Socratic (Ignorant and free? It's not to be. - T. Jefferson (paraphrase))
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To: Libloather

I don't know much about this so I looked it up. It appears that it's right on the NY border and any pollutants would go straight in to VT. So, she makes her NY voting base happy and to hell with the environment in VT?

Here's what I looked up:


Burning tires also releases dioxin, which was recognized by the EPA in 1985 as the most potent human-made carcinogen known. Dioxin does not break down in the environment but builds up in the food chain, concentrating in meat and dairy products.



IP's Ticonderoga mill already test-burned tire-derived fuel in 1997. They tried to keep the results from this test hidden, because they showed significant increases in emissions of heavy metals and gasses, including:

a two-fold increase in the amount of mercury found in fly ash

a five-fold increase in the amount of zinc found in fly ash

increases in sulfur dioxide emissions

increases in the overall opacity of smokestack emissions
Thanks to Vermont State Auditor Elizabeth Ready for uncovering the data from IP's 1997 TDF test burn. See Drew's letter to the editor for more information.



I.P.'s mill is located in New York,
so it gets permits from New York.

However, the mill sits on the border of Vermont,
and Vermonters suffer most from the pollution.


7 posted on 04/27/2005 2:26:35 PM PDT by Sax
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To: Libloather

I don't know much about this so I looked it up. It appears that it's right on the NY border and any pollutants would go straight in to VT. So, she makes her NY voting base happy and to hell with the environment in VT?

Here's what I looked up:


Burning tires also releases dioxin, which was recognized by the EPA in 1985 as the most potent human-made carcinogen known. Dioxin does not break down in the environment but builds up in the food chain, concentrating in meat and dairy products.



IP's Ticonderoga mill already test-burned tire-derived fuel in 1997. They tried to keep the results from this test hidden, because they showed significant increases in emissions of heavy metals and gasses, including:

a two-fold increase in the amount of mercury found in fly ash

a five-fold increase in the amount of zinc found in fly ash

increases in sulfur dioxide emissions

increases in the overall opacity of smokestack emissions
Thanks to Vermont State Auditor Elizabeth Ready for uncovering the data from IP's 1997 TDF test burn. See Drew's letter to the editor for more information.



I.P.'s mill is located in New York,
so it gets permits from New York.

However, the mill sits on the border of Vermont,
and Vermonters suffer most from the pollution.


8 posted on 04/27/2005 2:26:58 PM PDT by Sax
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To: Libloather

Is THAT what this article calls RIPPING? If so...hillereee will have smooth sailing.


9 posted on 04/27/2005 2:27:02 PM PDT by cubreporter ( hav)
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To: Libloather

These must be the flaming tires that Dan Rather tried to warn us about!


10 posted on 04/27/2005 2:27:35 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (When can we stop pretending that the Left doesn't by and large hate America?)
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To: EagleUSA

yeah ,...Sir Edmund Hillary Clinton , climbing a mountain of tires


11 posted on 04/27/2005 2:27:58 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: Libloather

I don't get it. Is the burner in Vermont or in New York? If it is in Vermont, what the heck is she doing even getting involved. If the burner is in New YOrk, she should let her State regulators do their job.


12 posted on 04/27/2005 2:29:50 PM PDT by Lekker 1 ("There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be attainable"- Albert Einstein)
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To: Sax

That's pretty much it. Little if any of the pollutants will end up in NY, since the paper mill sits right on the western side of Lake Champlain, which is the border between NY and VT. All of the stuff will blow from west to east right into Vermont.

It's no skin off the butts of those in NY who issue the permits, since while the process starts on NY land it won't affect the area much, just the areas downwind, which are mostly in the next state over.

LQ


13 posted on 04/27/2005 2:29:50 PM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: Libloather

I'm sure she can work something out with her buddies Dean and Jeffords.


14 posted on 04/27/2005 2:34:04 PM PDT by Lekker 1 ("There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be attainable"- Albert Einstein)
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To: Sax
It appears that it's right on the NY border and any pollutants would go straight in to VT.

That is why the Federal EPA should step in. The border between NY and VT is also the border between Region I and Region II of the USEPA, so that should be interesting!

Last year, Hillary! and every other Democrat in Congress was ripping the President up one side and down the other about supposedly gutting New Source Review, and now she is pushing through a proposal to introduce a new polluting power source without so much as an application to the EPA.

15 posted on 04/27/2005 2:35:26 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: gridlock

This is obviously some kind of mistake. The beast probably thought the proposal was to "necklace" some conservatives, so cut her some slack!


16 posted on 04/27/2005 2:44:54 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (In dealing with liberals remember When you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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To: Lekker 1

Hillary is a mean spirited centrist with no regard for the asthmatic and autistic children of Vermont.
Where does Dean stand on this outrage?


17 posted on 04/27/2005 2:48:12 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: Libloather

What Tyson chicken river dumping?

18 posted on 04/27/2005 2:51:12 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Lekker 1
The burner is in NY (Ticonderoga). Vermonters are up in arms because the prevailing westerly winds take the tire burn stank right over northern Vermont.

We are considering this where I work (a competing mill in NY).

This is delicious because Hildebeast is up for re-election in 2006. Will sell her soul to upstate NY big business for a crushing victory over whoever the lame NYS repub party runs against her.

This, of course, at the risk of alienating the tree huggers.

This should be fun!


19 posted on 04/27/2005 3:08:18 PM PDT by andyandval
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To: andyandval

It seems to me that the State of New York's version of the EPA would require all emissions limits to be met at the edge of the property. I assume the edge of the burner's property is fully within the State of New York. I think you're right. The Beast is trying to win points with the electorate. Regulatorily, she probably has no real say in what the State Regulators do. Using waste tires as an alternative fuel source is very smart, as long as the scrubbers work really well.


20 posted on 04/27/2005 3:12:52 PM PDT by Lekker 1 ("There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be attainable"- Albert Einstein)
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To: Lekker 1
It seems to me that the State of New York's version of the EPA

EnCon (gag)

I assume the edge of the burner's property is fully within the State of New York.

It is.

Regulatorily, she probably has no real say in what the State Regulators do.

But it's crossing state lines. Does this not make it a federal issue? See acid rain?

andyandval

21 posted on 04/27/2005 3:25:15 PM PDT by andyandval
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To: Libloather

22 posted on 04/27/2005 3:28:31 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: gridlock

Hopefully development in Thermal Depolymerization will make the plant redundant.


23 posted on 04/27/2005 3:36:20 PM PDT by Meldrim
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To: Libloather

Wow that is clearest picture I've seen showing what front were capped and what are original. Now let me go back and check out where the wrinkles should have been.


24 posted on 04/27/2005 3:45:13 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("Sober Idealism Equals Pragmatism")
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To: mewzilla

I think you need to add a few more [dozen] faces :)!


25 posted on 04/27/2005 4:56:05 PM PDT by hillary's_fat_a**
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