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Air India to Order 50 Planes Worth $6.9 Billion From Boeing
The New York Times ^ | April 27, 2005 | SARITHA RAI

Posted on 04/27/2005 3:34:57 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

BANGALORE, India, April 26 - Air India, India's flagship carrier, said Tuesday that it would order 50 aircraft from the Boeing Company in a deal worth $6.9 billion, a sale that had also been keenly pursued by its rival, Airbus Industrie.

In a statement, the government-owned Air India said its order included 27 of Boeing's 787 Dreamliners, its fuel-efficient model in development, with seating for 200 to 300 passengers. The 787 competes with Airbus's A350, and is expected to come into service in 2008.

Air India also ordered 15 of the 737 medium-range aircraft and 8 of the 777 long-haul jetliners. The announcement Tuesday came just ahead of the test flight of Airbus's superjumbo 555-seat A380 on Wednesday; Boeing has no competitor for that aircraft.

Dinesh Keskar, Boeing's senior vice president for sales, confirmed the order in a phone interview. He said the order was an indication that "Boeing has the right products and the right mix." Mr. Keskar, who is based in Seattle, spoke from Mumbai, where Air India has its headquarters. Boeing is based in Chicago.

While both Boeing and Airbus outdid each other with financial and technical offers to clinch the Air India deal, intense lobbying between governments may have finally swung the deal to Boeing.

President Bush spoke recently to India's prime minister, Manmohan Singh, about the purchase, and the American transportation secretary, Norman Y. Mineta, last week lobbied Aviation Minister Praful Patel.

Representatives of the European Union, including the French transportation minister, Gilles de Robien, pushed for Airbus. Airbus is based in Toulouse, France, and is controlled by the European Aeronautic Defense and Space Company, or EADS, and BAE Systems, which has a 20 percent stake.

Air India's much-delayed decision in favor of Boeing comes at a time when rivals like Jet Airways and Air Sahara have received licenses to fly international routes from India. Air India has not expanded its fleet in the last decade and a half.

The airline has already announced that it will increase the frequency of its flights to the United States and add new destinations, including San Francisco and Houston, in the coming months. It plans an initial stock offering early next year.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: Illinois; US: Missouri; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 747; 787; airindia; airlines; boeing; frogs; india; trade

1 posted on 04/27/2005 3:35:03 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; namsman; ...
Ping!

If you want on or off my aviation ping list, please contact me by Freep mail not by posting to this thread.

2 posted on 04/27/2005 3:35:49 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

It's always good news when an American contractor lands a big international contract.


3 posted on 04/27/2005 3:42:05 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Paleo Conservative; mountaineer; Willie Green

It had to be while Willie Green was on his big road trip.

I'll ping him so he sees it first chance he gets. LOL


4 posted on 04/27/2005 3:43:25 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I absolutely LOVE this news!!!


5 posted on 04/27/2005 3:53:47 PM PDT by parisa
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To: Petronski

Heh!


6 posted on 04/27/2005 3:59:09 PM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

At least the A380 flew for the first time today. If there wasn't some good news coming out of Toulouse there might have been mass suicides at Airbus. LOL!


7 posted on 04/27/2005 4:01:16 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: COEXERJ145

You'll have to take some pictures of an Air India 777-200LR at IAH.


8 posted on 04/27/2005 4:03:26 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I'd be nice to see. Depending on where I'm living at the time, I'll try to be there to see the first flight.


9 posted on 04/27/2005 4:04:44 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: COEXERJ145
At least the A380 flew for the first time today.

But that was with a low payload, much lower than maximum thrust and wheels down. When to they start flying with their maximum gross weight? When will they test stopping it with brakes alone? That should make an interesting picture, because the wheels will be glowing red hot.

10 posted on 04/27/2005 4:07:22 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: COEXERJ145

I bet a flight IAH to BOM would be unbearably long.


11 posted on 04/27/2005 4:09:02 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
But that was with a low payload, much lower than maximum thrust and wheels down.

Not totally unusual for a first flight.

When will they test stopping it with brakes alone? That should make an interesting picture, because the wheels will be glowing red hot.

The rejected take off test is always the most exciting and most dangerous. The brakes will catch fire and there is also the risk the fire will spread as they have to sit for 5 minutes before the firemen can put out the brakes. This is to prove the aircraft won't go BOOM while passengers are evacuating. Of course in the process every tire (except the nose gear) will be destroyed.

12 posted on 04/27/2005 4:09:56 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: COEXERJ145
This is to prove the aircraft won't go BOOM while passengers are evacuating. Of course in the process every tire (except the nose gear) will be destroyed.

Supposedly that test alone costs millions of dollars.

13 posted on 04/27/2005 4:13:45 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

When Boeing did the rejected takeoff test for the 777, the cost in tires alone (12) was $750,000.


15 posted on 04/27/2005 4:17:57 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Air Canada also is purchasing 32 new Boeing jets including 14 787's. This info came from the following article http://www.guardian.co.uk/airlines/story/0,1371,1471298,00.html.


16 posted on 04/27/2005 4:18:14 PM PDT by fishntex
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To: Paleo Conservative

What will the daley crime machine take on this be?


17 posted on 04/27/2005 4:18:31 PM PDT by dts32041 (Two words that shouldn't be used in the same sentence Grizzly bear and violate.)
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To: COEXERJ145
When Boeing did the rejected takeoff test for the 777, the cost in tires alone (12) was $750,000.

Did they have to rerun that test for the different gross weight versions or was the original certification test adequate for the additional versions?

18 posted on 04/27/2005 4:21:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I'm not 100% sure but I believe they do. I know it was done for the 777-300.


19 posted on 04/27/2005 4:24:19 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I understand that the production models of the A380 will have bullseyes painted on both sides of the aircraft so there is a target to aim at when the terroist fire a rocket.


20 posted on 04/27/2005 5:15:56 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: Paleo Conservative
Why is there a photo of a Boeing 747 attached to an article about new orders for Boeing aircraft?

Order's for the 747 have virtually dried up over the past few years.

It's the 787 and 777 that have put Boeing back on top.

21 posted on 04/27/2005 7:08:00 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
It's the photo that ran with the article. Ask the New York Times.
22 posted on 04/27/2005 7:10:34 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Jorge

The Dreamliner's range, internal goodies, passenger friendlieness, and airport readieness, appear to be just the thing that these State owned airlines and airports appear to be looking for.

Airbus designed A380 in the nineties during an era of relatively cheap fuel. Dreamliner is being ORDERED during an era when China's appetite for petrol is driving up prices all along the spectrum of fuels, including jet fuel mixtures.

I suspect Airbus has gambled poorly, and we are seeing the results.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

23 posted on 04/27/2005 7:14:13 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: Paleo Conservative
It's the photo that ran with the article. Ask the New York Times.

I KNOW it's the photo that ran with the article. (duh) I didn't expect you to speak for the NYT.

24 posted on 04/27/2005 8:51:33 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: section9
Airbus designed A380 in the nineties during an era of relatively cheap fuel. Dreamliner is being ORDERED during an era when China's appetite for petrol is driving up prices all along the spectrum of fuels, including jet fuel mixtures. I suspect Airbus has gambled poorly, and we are seeing the results.

Exactly.

25 posted on 04/27/2005 8:54:31 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yeah, great news. Their planes will fly here, drop off their college grads, and fly away.
Meanwhile our college grads sit at home playing xbox games and quoting Satre.


26 posted on 04/27/2005 8:56:32 PM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: Jorge
Apparently Air India just got a 747-400 second hand from Air Canada after a normally scheduled D check. I really have no idea why the New York Times ran that picture except that it is a Boeing aircraft with Air India's livery.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/826077/M/

27 posted on 04/27/2005 8:58:40 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I think thats a pic from Bombay Int Arport.

Great fun sitting on the Bom Airport tarmac watching the heavys T/O every 3-4 min.

~sigh


28 posted on 04/27/2005 11:28:39 PM PDT by ekidsohbelaas (Maa chod denge, ghar khod denge, bhund pe likh denge kranti... jai mithunda ki!)
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To: Petronski

LOL.


29 posted on 04/28/2005 11:59:34 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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