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Bill Would Let Immigrants Use Mexican IDs In Illinois
CBS2Chicago.com ^ | Apr 27, 2005

Posted on 04/27/2005 4:25:05 PM PDT by Boston Blackie

CHICAGO (CBS 2) The State of Illinois is looking at a proposal that lets Mexican immigrants use their Mexican ID cards here. Many immigrants don't have driver’s licenses for Illinois, that makes it difficult to open a bank account and take care of other routine business. CBS 2's Rafael Romo reports on the major impact the little plastic cards can have.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbs2chicago.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aliens

1 posted on 04/27/2005 4:25:08 PM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: Boston Blackie
What will the daley crime family cut be?
2 posted on 04/27/2005 4:26:21 PM PDT by dts32041 (Two words that shouldn't be used in the same sentence Grizzly bear and violate.)
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To: Boston Blackie

3 posted on 04/27/2005 4:30:59 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Boston Blackie
I'm from Boston, Last year I spent a month of job training about 15 miles outside of Chicago. I couldn't believe how many Mexicans and Mexican restaurants I saw up there. Especially being so far away from Mexico and all. A local explained to me That it's easier for them to get to Canada and sneek in that way. I don't know how true that is though..Anybody know?
4 posted on 04/27/2005 4:36:25 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: mowowie

The country has been OVERRUN!!! LITERALLY!!!

Thank You Washington, DC.


5 posted on 04/27/2005 4:37:50 PM PDT by EagleUSA (q)
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To: mowowie

Alright, I think its about time we just invade Canada!


6 posted on 04/27/2005 4:37:57 PM PDT by MahaMarty (This'll probably get me suspended...AGAIN!)
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To: Boston Blackie

Won't they crowd out alll the dead folks in Chicago next election?


7 posted on 04/27/2005 4:38:34 PM PDT by pikachu (BE alert -- we need more lerts!)
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To: Boston Blackie

Nooooooooooo!


8 posted on 04/27/2005 4:43:09 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (George W. Bush -- Terror of the Terrorists. John Paul II -- Terror of the Communists.)
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To: mowowie
I'm from Boston, Last year I spent a month of job training about 15 miles outside of Chicago. I couldn't believe how many Mexicans and Mexican restaurants I saw up there. Especially being so far away from Mexico and all. A local explained to me That it's easier for them to get to Canada and sneek in that way. I don't know how true that is though..Anybody know?

Untrue. There has been a large Mexican community in Chicago for decades. Probably came to work in industry and meatpacking. They used to be mostly legal. 

9 posted on 04/27/2005 4:43:25 PM PDT by dennisw (2 plain)
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To: dennisw

Thanks... Yea that make sense. I mean if there illegal how do they get to Canada? Paddle up the West coast? :)


10 posted on 04/27/2005 4:46:53 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: dennisw; mowowie

First Mexicans to come up to Chicago were recruited by the railroads and meat packing firms after restrictions on Eastern and Southern European immigration were put into place by congress. Since there were no such restrictions for immigrants from Mexico at the time, the railroads and meat packers recruited Mexicans as well as blacks from the south.


11 posted on 04/27/2005 4:56:12 PM PDT by Clemenza (I am NOT A NUMBER, I am a FREE MAN!!!)
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To: mowowie; dennisw

I should have added that this happenned in the 1920s. There has been a large Mexican presence in Chicago since that time.


12 posted on 04/27/2005 4:57:26 PM PDT by Clemenza (I am NOT A NUMBER, I am a FREE MAN!!!)
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To: Clemenza

Good information. Thanks


13 posted on 04/27/2005 5:10:58 PM PDT by dennisw (2 plain)
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To: Boston Blackie

If they are friggn ILLEGAL they HAVE NO BUSINESS to take care of here.


14 posted on 04/27/2005 5:46:16 PM PDT by funkywbr
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To: chicagolady

ping


15 posted on 04/28/2005 7:16:55 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota; TheRightGuy; Broadside; BillyBoy; NormalGuy; WRhine; RWR8189; RedWing9; Condor51; ...

Thanks for the ping!

Read the following article..if you are not outraged...YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION!!!!!!!


Subject: Telemundo interview re: my bogus matriculas
To: mcri@sbcglobal.net


Spent nearly an hour with Telemundo reporter Enrique Garcia Fuentes discussing my "matriculas" that appear on our web site. This reporter has been here before, and I trust him. He was really taken aback by my ability to get two of these cards and wondered if I was worried about getting into trouble for having them. I told him it was silly to suggest I was guilty of a crime when the federal and certain state and local governments apparently don't mind that a foreign government (on our soil) is issuing ID to its nationals it knows are here illegally.

He wanted to know what the consequences are issuing consular cards to illegals, and I said they represent an attack on our sovereignty and circumvention of our immigration laws. And those local governments that accept the matricula are undermining the rule of law as well.

"You know I'm going to show your matriculas to the Mexican Consulate," he said. I said it was also OK to show them to Vicente Fox.

I think it hilarious that of all the various media outlets in the Chicago area only a Hispanic TV network thinks my matriculas are newsworthy.

But the best part of this interview came at the end when I again reiterated that this issue is not about race but the rule of law. He looked me square in the eyes and said, "I do not believe that you are a racist." As I said, he's been in my home before and I feel comfortable around him.



Dave Gorak
Executive Director
Midwest Coalition to Reduce Immigration
P.O. Box 396
Lombard, IL 60148
(630) 678-0929


16 posted on 04/28/2005 7:30:37 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: MahaMarty; Lazamataz
Alright, I think its about time we just invade Canada!

It's a movement.

17 posted on 04/28/2005 7:33:47 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: chicagolady

http://www.immigrationreform.org/

Check out this great site!!

Send Dave Gorak a word of encouragement for his continueing efforts to fight illegal immigration in Illinois!!


18 posted on 04/28/2005 7:35:23 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

Do you have an email address for Dave Gorak?


19 posted on 04/28/2005 7:37:06 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: chicagolady

Ignore my #19 and thanks.


20 posted on 04/28/2005 7:37:50 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: chicagolady

Thanks for the link to this web site. I've signed up for the newsletter and sent Dave a nice email. Hope others will do the same. Many states represented here besides Illinois.


21 posted on 04/28/2005 7:43:02 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota

Thanks! I talk to him regularly and he is a real warrior and does not get much support. Some how if we get activated here in Illinois to start protesting employers for hiring illegals I hope we can unite with Dave Gorak and get behind him, both financially and with elbow grease.
His organization is in Lombard Illinois.


Matricula Consular




These "secure" matriculas were issued to Dave Gorak, MCRI's executive director at a cost of $130. The home address on the first was intentionally obscured.

In June 2003 the FBI told Congress that the matricula is an "unreliable form of identification. You can read the
FBI's testimony here.

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress03/mccraw062603.htm


22 posted on 04/28/2005 7:50:11 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady; prairiebreeze

http://www.minutemanproject.com/

I double checked and the Minutemanproject.com is the write place to go concerning our previous FReepmail.

Unless your desire is to help locally then Dave Gorak's organization is as good as it gets for Illinois.


23 posted on 04/28/2005 8:25:10 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

thank you!


24 posted on 04/28/2005 9:25:49 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Blogs have a strangle hold on the MSM. The MSM is kicking out the windshield.)
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To: Boston Blackie
Many immigrants don't have driver’s licenses for Illinois, that makes it difficult to open a bank account and take care of other routine business.

My wife didn't have any problem opening a bank account. But then again, she had a passport and a GREEN CARD!

25 posted on 04/28/2005 9:38:05 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Question Liberalism)
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To: dennisw
>> Untrue. There has been a large Mexican community in Chicago for decades. Probably came to work in industry and meatpacking. They used to be mostly legal <<

With emphasis on the phrase "USED TO BE". There has always been a Latin presence in Chicago, but it consisted of honest, English speaking people seeking citizenship. Between 1990 and 2000, the "Hispanic" population of Chicago more than doubled. You don't get that kind of population growth naturally. Chicago has way more illegal immigrants from Mexico than any other non-border state. It's a "sanctuary city"

And on the northwest side, they have one of the worst outbreaks of illegal immigration from Eastern Europe. No wonder Chicago imports so many illegal aliens, since both their white AND black "native born" population has gone DOWN decade after decade, yet the city's population keeps climbing due to massive illegal immigration.

Chicago today produces more Democrat votes (over 80% for Kerry) than old man Daley I (65% for Kennedy) could ever DREAM of.

26 posted on 04/28/2005 9:45:48 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP - www.NOLaHood.com)
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To: TheRightGuy

Don't worry about it. There is a very real chance that Canada is going to crash and burn. If that happens, they'll be joining us...

http://www.strategypage.com/onpoint/articles/2005427.asp

Unfortunately, large chunks of 'em are going to be natural Democrat party members...


27 posted on 04/28/2005 9:50:24 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: BillyBoy

Thanks for your most erudite post. You have a much better grasp of the situation. Thanks for fleshing it all out. If that old time legal immigration from Mexico was what we had today I would have no problem with Mexico.


28 posted on 04/28/2005 11:15:15 AM PDT by dennisw (2 plain)
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To: dts32041
What will the daley crime family cut be?

Historically, the bipartisan combine of Illinois has made money of keeping things illegal... not by legalizing them. Cong Rosty controlled the patronage at the Social Security Office. The patronage paid for the privilege of having the job because they could make so much on the side. They sold social security cards, voters cards and had associates who sold drivers licenses. Of course, in addition to paying the price, the (illegal) immigrants had to vote the right way.

That was back in the '60's and '70's. Poles and Eastern Europeans.

29 posted on 04/29/2005 4:01:57 PM PDT by NormalGuy
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To: BillyBoy
There has always been a Latin presence in Chicago, but it consisted of honest, English speaking people seeking citizenship.

Hate to disappoint you BB. But priot to 1990 many immigrant Poles did not seek citizenship. They retired to Poland. In the '70's and '80's social security checks from the USA were the number one import in Poland. Those social security checks financed the Solidarity movement.

Likewise with Mexican, Central American and even Cuban immigrants. For many years the Cubans clung the the dream of returning to Cuba and did not become citizens.

I personnally knew thousands of Hispanics. I had over 200 non-citizens at protests of urban removal in 1969. Similar with many other events.... plus being their landlord, etc. I taught citizenship classes. Relatively few were seeking citizenship.

Unlike the Poles who bought legit SS cards on which they could draw retirement checks, most Hispanics did not buy legit SS cards. They bought bogus SS cards. They had no intent to try to collect SS when they retired to Mexico. Where my wife is from in Mexico, Probably 90% of the men and 30% of the women had significant SS taken out of their paychecks while they worked in the US (with Chicago being the #1 work place for certain towns in Michoacan.) But relatively few try to collect SS.

True, the number of immigrants has increased in recent years. But there also is a better counting of how many are here. They were heavily undercounted pre 1990 and especially pre-1970. For example, the 1960 census probably counted fewer Mexidan immigrants in West Chicago than the number of them working at the Campbell Soup plant. The same is true of Marengo and Rochelle IL that had extremely large Mexican populations at that time.

One interesting quirk is that the census usually asks about "where you were on a day in April". There is always a large migration in March and April and exodus back to Mexico in November. Historically, the census workers have not been good at identifying the new March and April arrivals.

30 posted on 04/29/2005 4:20:33 PM PDT by NormalGuy
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To: mowowie
I've known thousands of illegal Mexicans. I've never known one who came in from Canada. Yes. It is easy to come in from Canada. Witness the terrorists and many European and Arab illegals who enter that way.

But it is so easy to come in directly from Mexico just walking accross the bridge, you'd have to be almost as stupid as the people crossing the desert to waste your time coming in thru Canada.

Just go to a border town. Rent a legit ID for $5 or $10 walk accross. Return the rented ID to the partner of the person you rented it from. Voila. You're in the US. That is how most illegals come in. Only the stupid cross the desert.

31 posted on 04/29/2005 4:25:06 PM PDT by NormalGuy
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