Posted on 04/28/2005 12:21:28 PM PDT by MikeHu
If you're a good worker -- your work experience would be very different. There's no business that wants to get rid of and mistreat a good worker.
Oh, so it's not just my imagination like the unions and union mainstream media would like me to believe. Some of you others see through these cons also.
What does that have to do with your earlier argument that both new and experienced teachers should be paid the same? Here's what you said:
When I was in teaching, I felt the new teachers should be paid as much as the oldest teachers because the job was more difficult for a new teacher than someone who is supposedly experienced in the filed.
Seriously, I don't think most people mind the idea of salary increases with experience, but dropping the entry level salary for one of the most expensive places to live in the country is just stupid. I'm sure they had plenty of trouble attracting good people at the old salary levels - now they've made it that much harder. Why would you want to go there when you can make more money and live cheaper elsewhere?
I've earned seven hours of free time. There's no way management is going to get rid of the guy who can do the work of eight. That's a valued employee -- among everyone. That's partly why people work. Pride in their own workmanship -- that that's what they do best.
It can be argued that government has no reason to be involved in education, but leaving that to address your union views... I have thought about what you believe quite carefully, and what I believe is that unions survive because many of their members sincerely believe they could not make it in the private sector. Given that some members have no choice and must join, and some are good and could make in the private sector, and some other extenuating circumstances, I stand by that.
What you, and many socialists - not you, do, is take the isolated incidents where a worker is fired unfairly and use that as a broad brush to demand union protections for all employees. This is a cure worse than the disease in that yes, life is not fair, but making it fair means handicapping the taller, faster, smarter, driven, hard-working folks. That is socialist. Yes, some workers are treated unfairly... But getting a union involved in this leads to Europe. Is that what you sincerely think is best for our country?
You're still making the case for a poor worker. A large part of a good business is to differentiate the good workers from the bad workers -- and not to regard them identically, with no discrimination, with no preference for the best and the worst -- as the union insists. That's why these unionized industries eventually have to fail. They cannot be competitive; they're prohibited from being competitive.
Unions are the antithesis of professionalism.
If you do it in one hour and then don't do anything else all day, then perhpas you should get the same. If you do 8 times the work you should probably approach 8 times the pay.
The only data I can find on a quick search is from the Bureau of the Census which gives a (2003) median income of $71,320 for a family of four. I really don't think $28K is going to hack it.
OK, I've thought about it. It still seems just plain silly, in fact, if that concept were put into law, can you imagine the devistation that would occur?
Probably not, so let me give an example:the 15 year policeman, who knows he isn't going to get a raise, no matter how hard he works. All that happens is that he puts in his shift, and no matter how hard, or fast, or skillfully he works, he's stuck there until the end of his shift. They simply pile more and more cases to his responsibility. He looks over at his buddy, who has only been there 3 months, earns as much as he does and always will. He handles 10 cases for each of his buddies 1. And that new recuit, the one just starting this AM, he's getting paid just as much too.
OK, how long do you think he'll stay? Actually, he's stupid for still being there for as long as he has been. After all, he could be drawing a senior pilots salary just by changing where he punches the time clock in the morning.
28K for 9 months work, than work tourism during the summer. People will stay in it for the huge benefits and future salary increases.
Realistically, what they'll do is make you supervisor or move you into a management position -- or ask you, "What job do you want to have and how much do you want?"
Which is it? Free time or working time for the company?
The way I see it, the company is going to look over and say to themselves that they haven't defined the job properly if you spend most of your day sitting around.
Your responses are too bizarre for the real world. I smell something in the air.
These union negotiated contracts make no sense. An award winning, experienced teacher from out of state, (like my wife), would make only a little more than the 28K starting salary, since increases from experience outside is tiny compared to in district tenure. Experienced teachers within the state, transfering from a district only a few miles away, would also get only a pitance more than a newly minted 20 something.
Collective bargaining creates situations that are terribly unfair to experienced, high performing teachers. It degrades our entire public school system by not rewarding performance in anyway.
Exceptional work changes parameters of the whole job experience so that it won't fall into the union job classifications -- it creates a new paradigm of business and industry. That's why you're having trouble grasping real productivity and innovation. You're not simply doing the same thing day after day, or looking busy like a cog in a machine -- which is the union paradigm for the world of work. You're breaking new ground and rewriting all the rules for industry.
That's the kind of people who should be teaching.
Schools (if nowhere else anymore) should be places where excellence is identified and recognized above all else -- and not just forcing people to be around uninspired, "lifers" as the kids call them, who have no interest but collecting another paycheck for doing nothing.
What are we teaching them?
One of the great ploys of the union tactics is to give everybody the impression that everybody else makes a whole lot more than they do -- and they alone are the only ones only getting $100,000 anymore for just showing up and eating lunch.
This is the kind of resentment and envy they need to breed at the union halls and propagate through the complicit mainstream media.
And yet everyone, newby and experienced alike, gets paid the same under your scenario. Seems to me that's been tried once on a very large scale.
Knee-jerk reactions are precisely what these Demorat/union operatives want. They don't want people thinking through any of this.
Their power is jerking everybody around. Fortunately, it's easy for us to see in Hawaii because the meainstream media here is so obvious and revealing that they give all the other mainstream media a bad name.
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