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Israel And Freedom For Jonathan Pollard
Jerusalem Post / Israel News Agency ^ | April 28, 2005 | Caroline Glick / Joel Leyden

Posted on 04/28/2005 1:50:07 PM PDT by IsraelBeach

Israel And Freedom For Jonathan Pollard

By Caroline Glick The Jerusalem Post - With INA Publisher's Note Below

Jerusalem ---- April 28......Jonathan Pollard is one of the most polarizing figures of our times. Pollard, a former intelligence analyst in US naval intelligence, has now served 20 years of a life imprisonment sentence following his conviction for transferring classified US intelligence materials relating to Arab ballistic missile and nonconventional weapons programs to Israel from May 1984 until his arrest in November 1985.

For his contribution to Israel's security and for his long suffering in prison, Israel considers Pollard a national hero. He is commonly considered the source of Israel's preparedness for the Iraqi missile attacks during the Gulf War. Israelis across the right-left and religious-secular divide are basically unified in their hope to greet Pollard in Israel as a free man. For many American Jews, Pollard is reviled as a traitor.

Since his arrest, a cloud of suspicion has hung over all Jews employed in the Pentagon, the State Department, the US military and intelligence services. Time after time, baseless allegations surface of American Jews spying for Israel. In spite of Israel's strategic alliance with the US, American intelligence agencies define Israel as a "country of concern" for intelligence breaches and American Jews are under constant, often malicious scrutiny. All a person has to do to expose the deep frustration of Washington Jews with the constant discrimination by intelligence agencies is mention the name "Pollard." Immediately he will be showered with bitter statements like, "If it weren't for that traitor, we wouldn't be in this position," and, "I hope he rots in jail."

For the past 12 years Pollard has been incarcerated in Butner Federal Prison in North Carolina. He was transferred to Butner from Marion Federal Prison in Illinois where he was held in a subterranean cell in solitary confinement for seven years. Pollard's treatment, like his life sentence, is unprecedented in the history of US espionage investigations.

Never has a spy in the employ of a friendly country received such a sentence. On average, spies working for countries considered US allies receive between 4-7 years in jail. Aldrich Ames, the most notorious spy in recent history, who as head of the CIA counter-intelligence department compromised all US intelligence emanating from the Soviet Union for over 15 years and caused the death of more than 10 US agents operating in the Soviet Union – while sentenced to life in prison – was never placed in solitary confinement for stretches comparable to Pollard.

I went to see Jonathan Pollard last week. During a two-and-a-half-hour meeting, we spoke at length about his espionage, the conditions of his imprisonment, his feelings toward the US, Israel, the Jewish people and his hopes for the future. Pollard is now 50 years old. He grew up in South Bend, Indiana. He studied political science, economics and classics at Stanford University and was studying towards a doctorate in military history at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts when he was recruited in 1979 by Naval Intelligence. Pollard first visited Israel in 1971 for a summer program at the Weitzman Institute.

He refers to his Jewish background as "modern-Orthodox, American style. The centrality of Israel for the Jewish people was emphasized." "I had thought constantly about aliya," he says, "But it's hard to pick up and leave the 'Golden Medina.' My parents are proud Americans. My father is a decorated Army officer. He carries a copy of the US Constitution in his pocket. But when I joined Naval Intelligence my father warned me that it's not a good place for a Jew. There is a lot of anti-Semitism there. But even when I saw it, I thought it would be better for me to stay."

Today at Butner, Pollard is employed as a window washer. His life is one of constant terror. "I will give you an impressionistic description of my life. It involves constant noise, constant violence; profanity – every conceivable type of profanity. There is no place to be quiet or to find quiet – to read. You really have to be disciplined not to be provoked. You need to be disciplined to see when a situation is getting out of hand and to get away as quickly as possible. I have to be ready if my door opens at 2 in the morning. "I live in a small room, not in a cell, with a roommate. My room is so small that when I sit on my bed and stretch out my arms I touch both of the walls. And it is impossible to lock the door. When I am not washing windows I spend my day reading and listening to the radio – to NPR and the BBC." The prison has television sets set up in common rooms for inmates. His fellow inmates include murderers, rapists, armed robbers, pedophiles and other violent criminals.

On September 11, Pollard was in the TV room, watching CNN. What did you feel when you saw the World Trade Center and the Pentagon attacked? "I felt sick to my stomach. The worst thing for me was that a lot of the Muslim inmates here greeted the attacks by saying Alla Akhbar and cheering." But why would it bother you to see the US under attack? After all, you betrayed this country. To this, Jonathan gave me a look of profound sadness and said, "I fell in love with two women – Israel and the US. It doesn't work in private life, and it doesn't work in politics. My reaction to September 11 was as an American. As an American, I believe that this country is guarding the gates of Western civilization from the barbarians."

In 1983, shortly after Israel and the US signed a memorandum on intelligence sharing, then deputy director of the CIA Admiral Bobby Ray Inman unilaterally breached the agreement by stopping all intelligence transfers to Israel on Arab and Muslim states not directly bordering Israel. This included Iraq, Iran, Libya, Tunis and Pakistan. Inman was hired after leaving the agency by a company called International Signal and Control. The company's owner, James Guerin, was imprisoned later for transferring military technology to Iraq and South Africa.

Pollard, who was privy to the now embargoed intelligence, believed that Israel faced the specter of chemical and biological warfare attacks from these countries. Pollard claims that he considered all legal venues for ending the embargo but felt that informing the media, testifying before Congress or involving the US Jewish leadership of the situation would all be ineffective. He claims also that "there was an incident during Operation Peace for the Galilee that provided me with my introduction to the US-Israel 'special relationship.' I saw the incredible cynicism with which the US views Israel. It flew in the face of everything that I thought was the point of the relationship. The way I viewed the world was destroyed. I had never before thought that my loyalties towards the US and Israel were in contradiction. But then I understood." What did you understand? "I understood that we are alone."

Pollard argues that his decision to spy for Israel, and thus betray the US, stemmed from his conviction that he "was preventing a second Holocaust." One can question whether it was necessary for him to prevent it personally, or whether he could simply have quit his position, informed the responsible Israel officials of the mounting dangers and let Israel – with its intelligence agencies and military -- contend with the issue as a sovereign state. But the fact is that Pollard chose himself for the task and Israel, too, in employing Pollard as its agent, chose him for the task.

Over the 18-month period that Pollard worked for Israel, he provided suitcases of documents to his handlers on a regular basis. Rafi Eitan, Israel's master spy who served as Pollard's chief handler from his position as head of the Office for Information Cooperation at the Israeli Embassy, told him that his information was discussed at cabinet meetings and Pollard understood that his main contractor was then Maj.-Gen. Ehud Barak, who then served as Commander of Military Intelligence. Yet, when Pollard was arrested, Israel did whatever it could to deny its connection to him. From the moment then prime minister Shimon Peres ordered embassy security officers to physically eject Pollard and his wife-at-the-time Anne from the embassy, Israel has done everything in its power to distance itself from Pollard.

It wasn't until 1995 that he was granted Israeli citizenship and it wasn't until 1998 that Israel officially recognized that Pollard was its agent. Binyamin Netanyahu was the only prime minister to have made a serious effort to get Pollard released. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has abjectly refused to take any action on Pollard's behalf.

For Pollard, who expected to be protected by Israel if caught, it is the treatment he has received from the Israeli government that surprises and disturbs him more than the harsh and disproportionate punishment that he has received from US authorities. "I had two particularly memorable terrible days since I was arrested. The first was when the FBI showed me transcripts of statements that Israeli officials made shortly after my arrest. It was clear that the Mossad had three goals. They wanted to put all the blame on the Office for Information Links and Rafi Eitan, they wanted to protect AIPAC at all costs and they wanted to bury me. It was the Mossad that was the source of all the disinformation about me and my character. The lies that I used cocaine and was a mercenary, selling secrets to countries other than Israel, it all came from them.

"Later, in 1995, a Mossad agent came here to see me and suggested that I kill myself. I said I would die for Israel not for some group of toadies. "The Israelis claimed that mine was a rogue operation. But this was a total lie. Not only did the senior political and military leadership know what was happening, Ariel Sharon tried to use me for his own ends. Rafi Eitan was Arik's man. And he asked me to collect political intelligence for Sharon – what people in Washington were saying about him and the like. I refused. "But what hurt me the most was when I saw the unclassified version of the Eban Report. [The Eban Report was a report of the Knesset's sub-committee on intelligence services investigation into the Pollard affair that was published in 1987.] It made me almost physically ill.

The report includes a summary of a midnight conversation between [the prime minister] Shimon Peres and [the US Secretary of State George] Schultz about a week after I was arrested. Schultz asked Peres to return the documents I took and Peres agreed but made Schultz promise that the documents wouldn't be used against me and Schultz agreed. "No one ever told me about this agreement. I could have used it in my defense.

It is the country's responsibility. It had standing before the court. Israel is the only country to participate in the prosecution of its own agent. Several years later [in 1990] Sharon attacked Yitzhak Shamir for going along with my abandonment. But that is what Sharon is doing now." Although sources close to Sharon claim that Pollard may be released on the sidelines of the destruction of the Jewish communities in Gaza and northern Samaria and the pullout of IDF forces from the areas, White House sources knew of no request on Sharon's part to release Pollard from prison. Ahead of Sharon's visit to the White House last spring, 112 Knesset members, including Sharon himself, signed a letter to President George W. Bush asking him to release Pollard from prison. Sharon refused to deliver the letter to Bush.

This month, ahead of Sharon's meeting with Bush at his ranch in Texas, all current and former Israel chief rabbis signed a letter to Bush requesting that he free Pollard. Again, Sharon refused to deliver the letter to Bush during his meeting. After meeting with Pollard, I contacted James Woolsey, the former director of the CIA. Woolsey told me that upon taking up his position in 1993 he reviewed Pollard's entire file carefully. "This man would not be my first candidate for clemency, but 20 years is a long time.

As a general proposition, one dimension of this is that a substantial penalty has been paid, so that the element of deterrence is dealt with. I do think there is a consideration here. Israel and the US, Australia, Japan, Poland and Britain are all in this war on terror together. We need to pay attention to the concerns of the citizens in fellow democracies. I would feel this way if it were Japanese espionage. We have to have a degree of sympathy for the sentiments of citizens in a fellow democracy." At the same time, Woolsey was quick to explain, "This is not a recommendation for clemency." Woolsey also stated that Pollard was not suspected of having transferred secrets to governments other than Israel. In his view "the heart of the matter" was the US fear that Israel's own intelligence apparatus would be penetrated by hostile governments and that as a result the materials Pollard transferred would be picked up. This, he explained, "would present a danger to the US ability to collect intelligence.

The fear was that the Israeli government itself might have been penetrated, not that Pollard gave the information to anyone else." When Pollard speaks of his future, he says that he has been training himself to go into a non-security related field if released from prison and most of his reading materials are scientific. "I have an interest in alternative energy sources to replace oil and on water desalination." Is there any reason that the US should worry about security damage you may cause if released from prison? "There is no substantive American worry regarding my release. My life has been destroyed so deterrence has been achieved. Nothing I know and certainly nothing I would ever do would be antithetical to US interests. The bottom line is, I want to come home so I can be with my wife, my people and my land."

In the days that have passed since the interview it occurred to me that the reprehensible behavior of the Israeli government in the Pollard affair tops that of all concerned parties – all of whom have behaved reprehensibly. Aside from the anti-Semites who take pleasure in spewing Jewish conspiracy theories, Israel was the only side that gained anything from Pollard's espionage. The US gained nothing and Pollard lost everything. In shirking its responsibility for Pollard, Israel paved the way for the entire story being blown out of all proportion by opportunistic enemies of Israel and American Jewry for two decades now.

If Israel had resolutely stood by Pollard, then the aspersions cast on Washington's Jews would be far more circumspect than they are today and the US would have seen that Israel is an ally to be reckoned with, not a doormat to be stepped on at will. Pessah is the holiday of freedom. But for a nation to be free it must take responsibility for its actions, no matter how grave those consequences may be. In shirking its responsibility a nation is doing more than casting out the unwanted weight. It is casting off its own ties to freedom. Pollard said, "The abandonment of a nation begins with the abandonment of an individual."

If we wish to maintain our integrity as a free people, we can do so only by taking on the task of bringing Pollard home. He may be a hero and he may be a fool. However he is viewed, he is one of us and he has been discriminated against and persecuted because he helped Israel. And other Jews are being persecuted because we refused to defend him. It is time for us to take responsibility for Pollard because his imprisonment paves the road to our servitude.

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INA Publisher's Note: The Israel News Agency believes that Jonathan Pollard was wrong for disseminating US secret information to Israel as a employee of an American intelligence organization and that he has more than paid his price. But Pollard was nothing more and nothing less than a symptom of paranoia, anti-Semitism and a severe lack of communications and trust between the US and Israel governments. Jonathan Pollard represents many things to many people - but one element remains clear - Pollard represented all that was wrong with Israel American relations over two decades ago.

Pollard should not be persecuted further for the past mistakes made by Washington and Jerusalem. Israel has and remains America's closet ally. Israeli blood drips almost daily to preserve American oil interests in the Middle-East and remains Democracy's front line against extremist religious Islamic totalitarianism . Pollard could have been any Jew who was committed to both Israel and the United States. He loved both nations. And served both nations - not as an adversary, but as an innocent pawn. He was used by both governments and now appears to be totally thrown away.

In 1983, President Ronald Regan signed an agreement with Israel, America's ally, promising to give Israel all information dealing with its national security. In 1985 Jonathan Pollard, a civilian naval intelligence officer became aware of information concerning Iraqi and Syrian nuclear and biological weapons, information which would affect Israel's security. When Pollard asked why this information was not being sent to Israel, under the agreement, he was shrugged off and ignored.

In his role as a US Naval Intelligence analyst he passed valuable security information to Israel - not for money or ego but rather out of a desperate sense for Israel's very physical survival. We ask why did Pollard have to pass this information to Jerusalem - why wasn't the White House, the CIA and the State Department doing so? Pollard should not be blamed for the actions he took, rather the US and Israel administrations are directly at fault.

This editor has been warned by the US Jewish establishment not to openly support Jonathan Pollard's struggle to become a free man after serving over 20 years in prison. I say to the Jewish establishment: "be ashamed of yourselves. Pollard is a Jew, he is an Israeli, you don't leave a soldier in the field - even more so when it was "friendly fire."

On September 13, 2001, this editor, with full NYPD press credentials was covering 9/11 was he was detained at Ground Zero and interrogated by the FBI. They wanted to know what I knew about the attack before it took place. After 6 grueling hours of questioning, someone realized that I was not another Jonathan Pollard. I was not Mossad and I was released after the FBI took my press credentials and film. Should I now blame Jonathan Pollard for the behavior of my government in Washington? No way.

The FBI did their job, and though it was uncomfortable and traumatic for me as a loyal American citizen, as one who served in a police unit in New York, worked in the World Trade Center for 8 years, and volunteered to defend the US in Iraq in the US military, I salute the FBI's actions in defending the American people.

But for those who say that Pollard should rot in jail, I simply state: Pollard is not the problem - you are! You are a disgrace to every Jew, to every citizen who embraces democracy and takes an active role in the war against global Islamic terrorism. For being impotent, for not defending Israel's basic right to be secure and for not placing blame where it belongs - the US and Israeli administrations at the time of Pollard's arrest and the present inaction of Israel Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in ignoring Pollard and licking George Bush's toes. I have great respect for George Bush, but not in how he walks over an Israeli Prime Minister.

The reprehensible behavior of Ariel Sharon and the present Israeli government in the Pollard affair is one of the greatest disgraces Israel has ever suffered. Why is it that Pollard's handlers were able to quickly leave the US while leaving Pollard to twist in the wind? If Pollard was responsible for a misdemeanor - then United States and Israel are guilty of an ongoing felony.

Lastly, I ask, if the United States of America and Israel are such intimate friends, then why do we allow this issue to linger? It only serves the public relations, spin and incitement of those countries and Islamic terrorists who attempt to divide us - barbarians which have attacked and murdered countless innocents on buses and restaurants in Israel and those who perished in the World Trade Center and Washinton's Pentagon. The time to release Pollard is now and let this action serve as a shining and fresh example to our enemies as to the extent of the friendship and cooperation which exists today in 2005 between both democracies.

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To: bvw

Free Jonathan Pollard !!!

41 posted on 04/28/2005 7:37:07 PM PDT by chukcha
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To: bvw

Don't presume to "babe" me.
I spent a great deal of my best and most productive years dedicated to thwarting the enemies of the USA.
Pollard is less than pondscum, IMHO.
You may feel some kind of sick thrill by proclaiming him a "Jewish hero".Enjoy.
Along with the "Free Mumia" crowd types, you exhibit an inredible degree of willfull ignorance.
He is a worthless traitor to the USA.
I dont care what his religeous beliefs were.
Are you actually saying that an individual who belives in Judaism is not subject to the same laws and consequences as every other individual who volunteered for USA DOD service under the UCMJ?
Are you really that ignorant?

42 posted on 04/28/2005 7:45:52 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: IsraelBeach
This thread was NOT created to divide Americans and Israelis!

Then you didn't know what you were doing because every one of the dozens of Pollard threads has done just that. There was one Freeper that specialized in regularly posting Pollard threads until he was banned as an anti-semite.

43 posted on 04/28/2005 9:08:46 PM PDT by xJones
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To: IsraelBeach

Thank you for the thread and thanks to all who contributed to give us some semblance of understanding on this subject.

44 posted on 04/28/2005 9:09:36 PM PDT by Spirited (God, Bless America;)
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To: SJackson
In case anyone is losing sleep over JP.

Thanks for the ping, and FR posting history should teach us that Pollard threads are a lose-lose situation. Both sides are polarized, there is no middle ground (and won't be), and bad feelings are the inevitable result. Makes you wonder why anyone ever posts them anyway.....

45 posted on 04/28/2005 9:15:20 PM PDT by xJones
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To: bvw

Are you wearing a tinfoil hat near area 51??

46 posted on 04/28/2005 10:11:31 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: chukcha

Pollard broke the law and more than paid his price. Does the punishment here fit the crime? Not quite.

Was Pollard truly guilty of treason?
Not according to the US Constitution!

Yet some of you are asking for Pollard to be hanged, gassed or electrocuted. You say "bury the guy."
I think a living hell - 20 years of rotting away in a small cement cage is a much more severe sentence for helping a friend. But you really continue to seek more blood from an ally. Why?

I believe the crimes of a few US Presidents (i.e. - Nixon authorizing Watergate) were much more severe. Screwing their own country with unlimited power and not spending one day in prison. Nixon had a pardon, but a Jew who supports Israel? No way!

Pollard was wrong. But the United States and Israel were far worse for having and continuing to use Pollard as a symbol of US arrogance. Keeping Pollard in prison beyond any jail sentence that any real foreign enemy may have committed is not justice; it's an aberration of politics between friends. It's despicable.

When I wear an Israel Defense Forces uniform and watch my comrades bleed, we bleed for the citizens of Israel and all who believe in democracy, liberty and justice. We fight on the front line of Islamic terrorism against those who would destroy our homes and families in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, New York and Washington.

Pollard never took aim at the US but rather did what negligent US intel guys failed to do - help a friend.

If your parents or children live in Chicago, Seattle or Dallas and you were working abroad for another government and had information that nuclear tipped missiles were being readied to vaporize those cities, to murder your children, family and friends - what would you do?

It is we - here in Israel who face a second holocaust if we fail to protect ourselves against thousands of missiles from Syria and Iran with payloads of toxic chemicals awaiting to be released. We don't see Canada or Mexico aiming at the US. Our situation here in the Middle East, protecting US oil interests, is a little bit more severe.

You are not keeping Pollard in prison - you are keeping Israel in prison.
Its all about control.
And you never "control" a friend.
What the US is doing to Pollard by going beyound any reasonable and just punishment is called alienation.

Ok, sure, Israel gets 3 billion dollars a year but most of that money goes right back into the bank accounts of US corporations. It's called Pentagon Capitalism.
And the US threats continue: "if you don't dance exactly to our step, we will take away that money."

Let me remind all in this forum - Israel was created without the assistance of the United States. Not one bullet, not one US troop came over to fight - just a few verbal words of support from Truman - who braved to say what many would never dream of articulating in 1948. Why make enemies with your Arab oil buddies...

But the picture is a whole lot different today after September 11th 2001. Those Arab oil friends took the most lethal hit at the US since US ally Great Britan burned down the White House in 1812. And Rudy never took the bribe at Ground Zero from Saudi Arabia.

It's reality check time.
Stop screwing your friends.

Today the IDF and the US armed forces are one.
Let's keep it that way, but please remember - Israel was alone in 1948 and was alone when Pollard passed on information to Israel to protect my family here from Scud missiles carrying clouds of chemicals.

Where was US Intel in 1984? Where is "with liberty and justice for all?"

The US and Israeli governments should be ashamed of themselves for contining this travesty of justice.

Does the CIA spy on Israel?
Does Israel know of these activities?
Should Israel take action?

Can we please separate spy games from justice. It's time we end this depressing chapter of "friendly fire."

I wonder what Pollard will eat for lunch today in his small cage?
But then again for many in this room, why even think of it when you can go to Killington and Stowe and take in some good skiing, Hilton Head for golf and take the kids to Disneyworld.

It's easier to forget Pollard.
We in Israel will not.

47 posted on 04/28/2005 10:36:47 PM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: sarasmom

Are you suggesting the U.S. attack Israel? Not surprising coming form you.

48 posted on 04/28/2005 10:37:20 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (
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To: IsraelBeach

Pollard's information aided the Soviet Union's efforts to destroy the U.S., not to mention destroy Israel. He also did it for the money, not for anything else.

49 posted on 04/28/2005 11:01:48 PM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: nickcarraway

This is misinformation at its very best.

Pollard had money.
He had a good salary and if he needed any further assistance, his family was there for him.

What his Israeli handlers did do, from what I have read in the media, was to reinforce his Zionism and covert activities with a "thank you" paid vacation to Europe.
There was no salary.
Nothing less than what your local travel agent gets. It's called a "junket".

When you say that Pollard did it for the money, please tell us all how much money did Pollard receive? ;>

You can't substantiate these charges.
But perhaps you are baiting others to offer more to this thread.

Yes, loose lips sink ships ... and Pollard has paid his price.

So has Israel.
And we are still here :>

51 posted on 04/29/2005 12:13:32 AM PDT by IsraelBeach
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To: IsraelBeach

I am glad Israel is still there... and hope it continues to be.

52 posted on 04/29/2005 12:20:18 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: sarasmom
He violated his voluntarily sworn oath,betrayed his country, caused huge amounts of damage with his treacherous actions, and if actually tried by a jury of his professional peers (of which I qualified for membership)he would have been executed.

Your post intrigues me. I have to wonder how one whose opinion is formed by inside information can be so condemning and vituperative towards those questioning that opinion without the benefit of said inside information? What's the old saying about pounding facts when they favor you, and pounding the table when they don't?

Furthermore, to me it seems rather doctrinaire to tell defendants at nuremburg "those orders were illegitimate, and you should have known better," and then expect Pollard to sit on his hands while his branch goes "rogue."

One can prattle on about how "he did it for the money," but that is an unprovable assertion: therefore not relevant.

I can distinguish no functional difference between the quality of arguments used against Pollard, and that which *would be* used by supremely arrogant bureaucrats, with a pronounced streak of jew-hatred, punishing an underling who had the audacity to circumvent their pronouncements from on high.

I for one, do not know what to think about the Pollard case, but I do know I have been negatively impacted by the questionable reasoning of those who would like nothing better than to stand Pollard up against a wall.

53 posted on 04/29/2005 1:14:25 AM PDT by Woahhs (America is an idea, not an address.)
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To: sarasmom
He is an American hero.

Hey, "professional", Iraq/Alqueda attacked us -- despite your pension. If not for Pollard when they did they would have used nukes. Pollard pulled YOUR fat out of the fire. And all you can do is spit on him.

Enjoy your pension, "professional"!

54 posted on 04/29/2005 3:41:35 AM PDT by bvw
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To: M Kehoe

Is it now?

55 posted on 04/29/2005 3:46:38 AM PDT by bvw
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To: sarasmom
After we actually attack France, we might consider attacking some of our other putative allies, if we are in a righteous attacking kind of mood. Israel is not in the most deserving top five contendors list, IMHO. It certainly makes more sence to hit France first and hard, if we really wanted to punish occasionally faithless allies.

56 posted on 04/29/2005 8:40:21 AM PDT by Borges
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To: andrew r

You missed your Information Super Highway Exit. You should have gotten off at the Israel hating Democratic Underground.

57 posted on 04/29/2005 9:23:58 AM PDT by Bella_Bru (
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To: bvw

I don't have a pension.
I am a citizen of the USA, and a military veteran of the USA.
What I do have, and you lack, is experience and knowledge on a subject you "feel free" to fabricate facts and express ignorant and ludicrous opinions about.
What nationality are you?

But have a nice day!

58 posted on 04/29/2005 4:29:38 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: Woahhs

Its not hard to understand.

Unless one has such a naive,fanatic or ignorant worldview that one thinks handing over your own governments classified intellgence information,that you swore to protect, including sources and methods, to a foreign country is a good thing for non-elected and incredibly arrogant and traitorous intelligence workers to do.

It seems you think it was just fine and dandy!
Tell me, is it still fine and dandy when done for Islamic "higher moral " reasons?
What if done for stictly "Christian" reasons?
Or is it your contention that only those who support Israel, even against their sworn oath to their own country, should be forgiven their treason?
Dare I even say it-
Jews can be virulently anti-USA, and not be called anti-Christian, even when they are.
But none must ever question anything related to Israel,or Judaism, lest they be called anti-semetic.

Islam is closer in practice to Judaism than it is to Christianity.

Pollard will die in prison not because he is Jewish, but because he became a paid spy for Israel, against the USA.

59 posted on 04/29/2005 5:16:32 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: Bella_Bru

Actually, I suggested the opposite.
But it is not surprising, coming from you, that you would imply I did.

60 posted on 04/29/2005 5:19:56 PM PDT by sarasmom
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