The Basics: Fill your tank with vegetable oil

MSN online | April 30, 2005 | Jim Washburn

[eno_]

Take a closer look at recycling. Unless it is run VERY efficiently, with volunteer labor and with individuals separating all materials, it isn't economical. We can bury a LOT of rubbish without running out of room.

[Red Sea Swimmer]

Should a Ferrari owner use Olive Oil ?

[Schwaeky]

Yes, they pay through the nose on the initial purchase, no reason they shouldn't have to to get their kicks with it... j/k

[SuziQ]

Why not this? ANYTHING INTO OIL

[ragnark]

Price mechanism?

You been to a gas-station recently? :)

I think your "price-mechanism" factor is gonna change a lot of people's minds pretty soon, at this rate.

(That and, y'know, not supporting horrible oil-producing regimes..... like Norway)

[okie01]

......"Misinformation alert"......It doesn't take more energy to produce ethanol. Please stop spreading that crap around!

Uh...if you'll read what I wrote, you'll discover that I'm agreeing with you.

[VeniVidiVici]

Should a Ferrari owner use Olive Oil ?

Popeye does so, why not? ;-)

[grania]

Should a Ferrari owner use Olive Oil ? Popeye does so, why not? ;-)

Gosh....Poyeye drives a Ferrari? <^..^>

[VeniVidiVici]

LOL!

[P.O.E.]

Zackly

[Schwaeky]

Simple, produce a methanol-ethanol blend. Ethanol is okay as long as its not denatured, but methanol is toxic from the word go. And while the fumes from straight methanol can be toxic (only in long term exposure terms), a mix can denature the ethanol while minimizing environmental impact. Plus methanol has more energy than ethanol (approaches that of gasoline, maybe more). T

As for taking a swig w/o tax, if its road fuel for commercially available use (as opposed to for privately produced fuel for personal use) then there is tax on it... Just highway tax and not booze tax.

[chuckles]

Ethanol is clearly the better fuel: it has 38% more available energy (86,000 BTU's per gallon for ethanol, while methanol only has 62,000 BTU's/gallon). Methanol is commonly used for racing as it is a cheap and easily available byproduct of the Natural Gas industry, and is cheaper than ethanol because they don't have to pay the distillation taxes. Ethanol is also used in racing, and the Indie 500 has used this fuel for over 80 years, now. Ethanol is less corrosive than methanol, and burns very clean, with only CO2 and water as the main byproducts of combustion (there is a slight amount of aldyhides in the exhaust, but it is 300% cleaner than burning gasoline.

I know you don't have to pay taxes on what you don't drink, but that's the problem with the government. Try to buy large quantities of Propane or diesel and tell the vender it's for "farm use". You might get away with it once, but if you are a repeat buyer, he will want you to buy a road tax stamp or go somewhere else, especially if you pull up in a LP powered truck.

Don't forget the states have ethanol taxes also. You will get no help from any government to make ethanol a fuel because of the possibility of drinking without the tax. Lets just say, hypothetically, that you discover a fuel made from cat poop to run your car. You would quickly be put under the jail, have no friends, be called a traitor to your country, because you drove a vehicle without paying your state and federal road taxes. Whose going to fix the potholes you cause and pay for the law enforcement, blahh blahh, etc.

[Daryl L.Hunter]

E-85 is another great thing that is available and us at FR ought to get the word out as conversion to ethanol would be a very patriotic thing to do.

I think Gov Arnold ought to make a 5 year phase in of e-85 a law.

Citizens For A Freer America & The Upper Valley Free Press

Daryl L. Hunter - Editor