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Feinstein Seeks Tougher Regulation of Rifle [50 caliber]
cbs5 ^ | 05/01/05 12:40 PDT | By Bay City New Service

Posted on 05/01/2005 8:49:51 AM PDT by risk

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Bay City News Wire FEINSTEIN SEEKS TOUGHER REGULATION OF RIFLE 05/01/05 12:40 PDT

By Bay City New Service

Sen. Dianne Feinstein announced Friday the introduction of legislation that would classify .50-caliber rifles in the same category as machine guns or sawn-off shotguns.

The legislation would change the .50-caliber's classification as a "long gun,'' requiring all future sales to go through a licensed gun dealer and a background check on the buyer, Howard Gantman, a Feinstein spokesman, reported. If the legislation passed, the Internal Revenue Service would also record all future purchases of the weapon under the National Firearms Act.

The U.S. military commonly uses the large weapon, which California banned in 2004, as a sniper rifle. According to Feinstein, the destructive power of the rifle makes it different than a standard rifle, requiring more safeguards before a person can purchase the weapon.

"For instance, a sniper atop the Washington Monument (with a .50-caliber rifle) could target anybody or anything within a four-mile radius, including the White House, the Capitol, every building on or around the Mall, and aircraft flying in and out of Reagan National Airport,'' Feinstein said in a statement.

The rifles are currently classified in the same category as .22-caliber target rifles and .30-06-caliber hunting rifles.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 50; 50caliber; ab50; banglist; feinstein; feinswein
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Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security --Benjamin Franklin
1 posted on 05/01/2005 8:49:51 AM PDT by risk
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower; backhoe

There they go again... (For your ping lists.)


2 posted on 05/01/2005 8:54:44 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk

You think Feinstein gives a damn about either?


3 posted on 05/01/2005 8:55:06 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: risk

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. (THR)


4 posted on 05/01/2005 8:56:50 AM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR, NRA, GOP)
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To: risk
Where does she get the 4 mile range? I did a quick web search and it looks like 2000 meters (1.25 miles) is the maximum effective range.

And how do I sneak up the Wahington Monument with one?

5 posted on 05/01/2005 8:57:02 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Blackwell for Governor 2006: hated by the 'Rats, feared by the RINOs.)
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To: risk
"If the legislation passed...."

This has about as much chance of going anywhere during the next 3 1/2 years as I have of being elected a Senator from California.

(I live in New Jersey.)

6 posted on 05/01/2005 8:57:20 AM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: KarlInOhio

Wahington -> Washington


7 posted on 05/01/2005 8:57:27 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Blackwell for Governor 2006: hated by the 'Rats, feared by the RINOs.)
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To: risk

In 1968, the left was concerned about small, inexpensive firearms because they were small and inexpensive. Now they're worried about big weapons because they're, well...big.


8 posted on 05/01/2005 8:57:44 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: risk

We can only hope that a CCC(Credible Conservative Candidate) comes forward in January to run against this liberal relic, Feinstein, in November 2006!


9 posted on 05/01/2005 8:57:57 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Bommer

She desperately wants her constituents to believe so.


10 posted on 05/01/2005 8:58:52 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk

Diane, you can have my gun when you pry it out of my cold dead fingers. Better make sure I am dead before you try, I play possum.


11 posted on 05/01/2005 8:59:17 AM PDT by Danae ( Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: risk

I thought they banned the .50 in California.


12 posted on 05/01/2005 8:59:38 AM PDT by Husker24
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To: KarlInOhio
And how do I sneak up the Wahington Monument with one?

It's all about the terrifying imagery. Never mind facts. Facts would interfere with the campaign of fear.

13 posted on 05/01/2005 9:01:35 AM PDT by risk
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To: Bommer

Awright - who forgot to give the old coot her meds THIS time!

14 posted on 05/01/2005 9:02:49 AM PDT by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
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To: KarlInOhio

facts? Logic?

not from Fienswine....


15 posted on 05/01/2005 9:03:24 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (MikeinIraq in 2020!!)
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To: Husker24
Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger signed the AB50 into law without so much as a fight -- banning the Barrett 50 caliber rifle.
16 posted on 05/01/2005 9:05:31 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk
DiFi on her best day:

'nuff said.

17 posted on 05/01/2005 9:07:31 AM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: risk
i wish somebody would ask that SKANK in public what she'll do when everybody starts making .4999 guns instead??????

wellll... we'll just have to ban them toooo, right???

18 posted on 05/01/2005 9:07:59 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Husker24
I thought they banned the .50 in California.

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They can ban all guns completely like England and Australia. Both of those countries still have high incidents of gun violence. Wonder Why?

I heard saying years ago..."If they outlawed marriage, only outlaws would have in-laws." That applies double to guns.
19 posted on 05/01/2005 9:08:05 AM PDT by gooleyman ( What about the baby's "RIGHT TO CHOOSE"?????? I bet the baby would chose LIFE.)
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To: Danae
Diane, you can have my gun when you pry it out of my cold dead fingers. Better make sure I am dead before you try, I play possum.

Go ahead Diane, he's dead.

**BLAMMO!!!!**

Oh gosh Diane, he sure looked dead to me.

Diane? Hey Diane?

Wow. Good aim for a dead guy, Huh?
20 posted on 05/01/2005 9:08:26 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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To: risk

I wonder when Feinstein will go after the .43 Mauser?


21 posted on 05/01/2005 9:09:46 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Chode
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban [on "assault weapons"], picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in, I would have done it." -- Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) CBS 60 Minutes, Feb. 5, 1995
22 posted on 05/01/2005 9:10:19 AM PDT by risk
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To: Godebert

The answer is yes.


23 posted on 05/01/2005 9:11:03 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk

I hope I can still buy a .577Nitro or a .600JDJ.
This is just more of "LPD" - Liberal Perception Disorder.
If it looks or sounds scary it must be outlawed (for the children of course).


24 posted on 05/01/2005 9:11:24 AM PDT by Dudesdad
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To: risk

How about tougher regulations on criminals.


25 posted on 05/01/2005 9:11:29 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: risk

HHHOOOOOORRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!


26 posted on 05/01/2005 9:12:28 AM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: television is just wrong

Feinstein has been tough on crime, from what I've seen. But she's quite confused about the merit and constitutionality of gun control.


27 posted on 05/01/2005 9:14:13 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk
There is a good piece on this ban at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1378169/posts
28 posted on 05/01/2005 9:16:04 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Joe 6-pack

Definitely not your "conceal weapon" of choice. LOL


29 posted on 05/01/2005 9:17:27 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: risk
"...sawn-off shotguns..."

Any one ever see a sawn-off shotgun?

30 posted on 05/01/2005 9:20:51 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: risk
First of all, you weenie, "For instance, a sniper atop the Washington Monument (with a .50-caliber rifle) could target anybody or anything within a four-mile radius,... it takes a veritable amount of skill to hit something even at 200 yards, much less 4 miles.

More hysterical hyperbole from Californistan's favorite gun grabber.

31 posted on 05/01/2005 9:22:46 AM PDT by Maigrey (Thank You Malachi Whitlock for your gift of Life and Love)
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To: Husker24
I thought they banned the .50 in California.

I believe you're correct. But Feinstein and Boxer have nothing else to whine about at the moment. They should just stay home and collect their paychecks.

33 posted on 05/01/2005 9:23:31 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: risk
"For instance, a sniper atop the Washington Monument (with a .50-caliber rifle) could target anybody or anything within a four-mile radius, including the White House, the Capitol, every building on or around the Mall, and aircraft flying in and out of Reagan National Airport,'' Feinstein said in a statement.

Two major flaws with what that gun-grabbing goon has laid out: The Barret weighs in at about 30 pounds, making it a prone position weapon, and a .50 BMG round doesn't have a four mile range.....that's more in the realm of field artillery than a rifle.

Again, the anti-gun crowd plays upon the fears and ignorance of the wine-and-brie crowd to strip the liberties from the rest of us. In short.....

YOU CAN HAVE MY GUN ONLY UNDER ONE OF TWO CONDITIONS: WHEN YOU PRY IT OUT OF MY COLD, DEAD FINGERS OR AFTER I SHOOT YOU FIRST!

34 posted on 05/01/2005 9:25:34 AM PDT by Bombardier (What part of "Shall not be infringed" is unclear, you liberal moron?)
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To: risk

Scores of well-financed anti-Second Amendment groups who are determined to alter the original intent of the Founding Fathers want the American public to believe that the right to keep and bear arms is not an individual right nor is it an unalienable right.

Gun control extremists, seeing no redeeming value in individual gun ownership, assume laws restricting firearms reduce crime. They assume human behavior can be controlled by passing another law. Most gun control laws do not in any way reduce crime. In fact, gun control legislation that limits the rights of law-abiding citizens literally aids and abets criminals by increasing crime rates while guns in the hands of innocent victims prevent crime.


35 posted on 05/01/2005 9:25:36 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: Rickkimble
Isnt it possible to down a helicopter with a .50?

Sure. It's also possible to knock one down with a crossbow (it was done in Vietnam). Helicopters are also vulnerable to all other types of rifle fire, so why not ban all rifles?

It would be easier to ban helicopters.

36 posted on 05/01/2005 9:28:06 AM PDT by Gritty ("Appeasement is even less effective when the faraway country you know little of is your own-M Steyn)
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To: Beth528

Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal". Janet Reno, Attorney General of the United States, 1993-2000

"The more people are dependent upon the government, the more controlled they are". United States Secretary of State Madeline Albright, March 20, 1998.


37 posted on 05/01/2005 9:30:21 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: risk
"For instance, a sniper atop the Washington Monument (with a .50-caliber rifle) could target anybody or anything within a four-mile radius, including the White House, the Capitol, every building on or around the Mall, and aircraft flying in and out of Reagan National Airport,'' Feinstein said in a statement.

The best part of her silliness her office is also in that idiotic target area!

Could it be women of her meglomaniacal persuasion are short a couple of connections in the cabeza and like an old timey hand cranked record player gets stuck on occasion and needs a nudge to put it in the right groove that produces pleasant sounds instead of the raucousness for which she is (in)famous!

What a maroon!

38 posted on 05/01/2005 9:33:01 AM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: Sooth2222
"This has about as much chance of going anywhere during the next 3 1/2 years as ....."

Yes, but we should be concerned about fours years from now and beyond. Please remember that the GCA of 1968, the Assault Weapons Ban and the Extended Capacity Magazine Ban all originated from, and were promoted by, the American firearms industry (SAAMI, NSSF, etc) as short sighted attempts at protectionism. They have a long history of throwing babies out of the sleigh to pacify the wolves and convince the public that they are "reasonable" Since none of them have a dog in the fight - look out.

The dark side is defeating us by attrition. One little piece at a time. It is hard to defend the 50 BMG's without invoking logic or the fun and freedom arguments. Those arguments that don't go far in the public debate.

Our best defense is a good offense by electing Republicans (RINO's or not) to every level of government. Gun Control is a Democrat dream. Period.

39 posted on 05/01/2005 9:35:25 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: risk

In the words of fellow Californian Nancy Reagan - "Just say NO!!"


40 posted on 05/01/2005 9:35:41 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Rickkimble
Isnt it possible to down a helicopter with a .50?

Yes, but our founding fathers knew that citizens ought to be trusted with arms powerful enough to challenge government authority. After all, at Lexington and Concord, the war started over an attempt to disarm American colonists who were stockpiling military-grade weapons.

James Madison wrote in the Federalist Papers: Americans have the right and advantage of being armed unlike citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.

Thomas Jefferson wrote: The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny in government.

41 posted on 05/01/2005 9:37:11 AM PDT by risk
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To: Rickkimble

Yup. That said, you can also shoot down a helicopter with a .22 rifle, too. *ANY* firearm caliber can bring down a civilian aircraft.


42 posted on 05/01/2005 9:38:46 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: risk

43 posted on 05/01/2005 9:39:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Buffalo Head
I'll paraphrase: gun control is a would-be tyrant's dream.
44 posted on 05/01/2005 9:40:32 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk

>>If the legislation passed, the Internal Revenue Service would also record all future purchases of the weapon under the National Firearms Act.

can someone explain just what the irs has to do with gun registration? what is batf for?


45 posted on 05/01/2005 9:44:35 AM PDT by Glenn (pardon the e.e.cummings look. a busted arm makes typing seem like work.)
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To: risk

Does DiFi have a permit to carry? That was confirmed a few years ago. How would we find out if she still does?


46 posted on 05/01/2005 9:47:41 AM PDT by notaliberal
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To: risk

Has there been a mad rush to buy 50.ca rifles that I'm not aware of? /sarcasm off.


47 posted on 05/01/2005 9:55:36 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: notaliberal
Does it matter? At one point, she applied for concealed carry stating that her gun control activities had put her in danger - if the reproduction of her application I saw on line was accurate. In any case, she can afford to keep hired guns who have their own permits around her now. It's all part of the whole "leftist elites can have second amendment protection but you can't because you're a cracker" double standard.
48 posted on 05/01/2005 9:55:45 AM PDT by risk
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To: Rickkimble

You don't think 2-3 repeat shots from a .22LR through a rear prop couldn't disable a helicopter? In any case, do you think ability to knock down a helicopter is a valid argument against a particular weapon system given the intent of the founding fathers with the second amendment?


50 posted on 05/01/2005 9:59:38 AM PDT by risk
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