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Debunking a spitting image - (says Viet Vets never spat upon when they returned to USA!)
BOSTON.COM ^ | APRIL 30, 2005 | JERRY LEMBCKE

Posted on 05/01/2005 8:53:50 PM PDT by CHARLITE

STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It's hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where ''people were lined up to spit on us."

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith's lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops.

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To: Interesting Times
Five bucks says they never print it.

I am a Boston Globe subscriber and sometime gadfly (the ombudsman and I exchanged emails several times). I've yet to get a Letter printed, but I have a notion of what kind of conservative-leaning letters they will print. They might print that letter edited, but they won't print the part that impugns Mr. Lembcke. They institutionally believe Lembcke has the right to the phrase "associate professor of sociology and author." A book endorsement from the Communist Party USA of his book makes him an unworthy radical Marxist activist? That won't be printed.

41 posted on 05/01/2005 10:17:29 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: AZHua87

The Boston Globe, USA Ptooey, NY Slimes, LA Slimes, Chicago Tribune, 60 Minutes, BBC, Guardian, and CNN have all been caught making up news stories.

I don't want to see another Walter Cronkite "most trusted man in America". All journalists should first and foremost tell the TRUTH. That is their job. Pushing their ideology should always come second.

While we would like politicians to be brutally honest in all situations, it will not happen as they have a motive to push for their position on the issues. The same could be said of any lawyer. Defend your position. Hard to win a debate if you keep conceding points.

News is supposed to be impartial. That is what editorials (and idiotorials) are for.


42 posted on 05/01/2005 10:17:36 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: CHARLITE

I was spit on for having a BUSH sticker on my walkman, so why does this moron find this so incredible? The revisionsim of the Vietnam era continues--all those peace-loving hippies probably didn't set fires and trash school and government property, either, right?


43 posted on 05/01/2005 10:18:35 PM PDT by Darkwolf (Jean Shepherd audio: http://www.flicklives.com/Mass_Back/mass_back.htm)
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To: weegee
They were conducted in offices without disclosing the procedures to the public.

SO, have you seen any disclosures from Planned Parenthood about their procedures, rates of asceptic abortions, deaths, transfers to hospitals of patients, etc?

Just wondering what the difference is?

Regards,

TS

44 posted on 05/01/2005 10:18:47 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: zot; The Shrew
Revised wager -- I'll pay you a hundred bucks if they print it, so you can pay off The Shrew.

Suddenly I'm 17 years old again, standing before a rickety booth at a beach-front carnival. The nice man is telling me about his numbers game, which is both simple and easy to win...

But enough free association. There is a web site that must be written.

Ta ta for now...

45 posted on 05/01/2005 10:19:02 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Americanexpat

probably the result of the same prankster who fabricated the images of her with John Kerry at the commie antiwar protest. < /sarcasm >


46 posted on 05/01/2005 10:19:06 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: The Shrew
There is no difference except when it comes to the act of murder itself.

Women are still going home and dying of internal hemorrhaging.
47 posted on 05/01/2005 10:20:22 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
A book endorsement from the Communist Party USA of his book makes him an unworthy radical Marxist activist? That won't be printed.

It isn't limited to a book endorsement. It's the guy's whole career...

48 posted on 05/01/2005 10:20:36 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: The Shrew

"Legality" of the act of murder.


49 posted on 05/01/2005 10:20:47 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Darkwolf

They didn't blow up police cars or plot the assassination of congressmen who supported the war either.


50 posted on 05/01/2005 10:21:42 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: CHARLITE
Though so many of our own are willing to insist that our government poisoned them during their Vietnam War experiences with Dioxin (Agent Orange).

Which is it?

51 posted on 05/01/2005 10:22:19 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: CHARLITE
Thank You for a nice letter.

Why was it during the Vietnam era that our commanders ordered us not to wear our uniforms home?

Because, it might upset the protesters found in the airports.

This Jerry Lembcke guy is nothing more than a great big piece of Horse Sh!t in my book.
52 posted on 05/01/2005 10:23:35 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: weegee
There weren't back alley abortions. Who went into an alley for such a procedure? They were conducted in offices without disclosing the procedures to the public.

That sounds like a description of how it was done in "nice neighborhoods." I do know that the image of back-alley abortion is permanently burned into every liberal's head.

I disagree with and detest the argument that "liberals use emotion and conservatives use logic", but I do recognize this pattern of the implacable image.

53 posted on 05/01/2005 10:23:59 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: CHARLITE

I came through Oakland after my second tour in Vietnam in 1967. Hippie chick walked up and spat on me. Before I could napalm her ass two military policemen came up and snagged me. Told me if I punched her out I'd go to jail.

I was traveling through Chicago after my third tour, in 1970, and got spit on again by another bitch and she took off running.

After I got home I was vilified by everyone including mu Mother in law. Those of us who came back know what happen this sumb***h can kiss my a**.


54 posted on 05/01/2005 10:24:29 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: CHARLITE

They didn't spit on Kerry because he supported their cause of trashing the military. He lied before congress about abuses and war crimes.

John Kerry claimed he was a war hero. We ALL know which side of the war he finished on. Same as Benedict Arnold was a hero to both sides. It all matters who you side with at the end.

If the war was wrong, then Kerry was wrong to shoot at Vietnamese.


55 posted on 05/01/2005 10:25:28 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: weegee
There is no difference except when it comes to the act of murder itself.

Women are still going home and dying of internal hemorrhaging.

"Legality" of the act of murder.

I couldn't agree more.

Regards,

TS

56 posted on 05/01/2005 10:25:46 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.swiftvets.com & www.wintersoldier.com - The Truth Shall Set YOU Free!)
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To: weegee

Nor did they have a piece of crap Commie Junior Senator from New York representing the Black Panthers.


57 posted on 05/01/2005 10:26:15 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

There is a movie from the 1940s titled "Street Corner" that was an exploitation film which even showed graphic childbirth. It has the woman "undergo" an abortion and later suffers internal problems (the abortionist is even sentenced for her crime).

That recent movie, The Cider House Rules, was set in the 1930s if I understand. Also as I understand it, the movie concerns an illegal abortionist. Did he perform his deed in an alley alongside Jack the Ripper? Or did he do it inside some office or home?


58 posted on 05/01/2005 10:33:50 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: NutCrackerBoy

Ask liberals how many of them have seen the old tracks the "underground railroad" ran on that got runaway slaves out of the South.


59 posted on 05/01/2005 10:36:00 PM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: The Shrew

Well said.


60 posted on 05/01/2005 10:37:22 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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