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Debunking a spitting image - (says Viet Vets never spat upon when they returned to USA!)

Posted on 05/01/2005 8:53:50 PM PDT by CHARLITE

STORIES ABOUT spat-upon Vietnam veterans are like mercury: Smash one and six more appear. It's hard to say where they come from. For a book I wrote in 1998 I looked back to the time when the spit was supposedly flying, the late 1960s and early 1970s. I found nothing. No news reports or even claims that someone was being spat on.

What I did find is that around 1980, scores of Vietnam-generation men were saying they were greeted by spitters when they came home from Vietnam. There is an element of urban legend in the stories in that their point of origin in time and place is obscure, and, yet, they have very similar details. The story told by the man who spat on Jane Fonda at a book signing in Kansas City recently is typical. Michael Smith said he came back through Los Angeles airport where ''people were lined up to spit on us."

Like many stories of the spat-upon veteran genre, Smith's lacks credulity. GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports, and protesters could not have gotten onto the bases and anywhere near deplaning troops.

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To: Gefreiter

I like the cut of your jib, Mister.

81 posted on 05/02/2005 6:51:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: RaceBannon
This professor claims it never happened.

We should match their denial with our own.

Example: Drill in Alaska. After all, the Exxon Valdez was an urban legend that never happened!

82 posted on 05/02/2005 6:54:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Without the picture it would be explained away as such.

83 posted on 05/02/2005 7:03:38 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: DakotaRed
I don't know where this guy got his facts from. How can he say the military only landed at military installations going to to and from Vietnam. The only base I came into was Ft Lewis in 1970. All other trips to and from I went through Oakland and SF.

Did you know there were a lot of terrorists activity against armed forces recruiters at that time. Recruiting stations were bombed, offices and vehicles vandalized and recruiters murdered. No, they were not caused by unsatisfied customers.

Most of the murders of military recruiters was done by anti war types. Recruiters were targeted mainly because we were visible, in uniform all the time and we were easier to get at than military on bases. In the early seventies most recruiters I knew started carrying concealed weapons and we always kept one in the desk drawers.
84 posted on 05/02/2005 7:33:53 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Interesting Times; Lexington Green; risk; bear11; Clinton Is Scum; Carl/NewsMax; reformjoy; ...




...and a Democrat-Controlled U.S. Congress that cut off all weapons funding for the South Vietnamese people to fight for their own Freedom with...

...all brought this upon the once Free People of South Vietnam:

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

I just found out that these horrific black and white Vietnamese Re-Education Camp Pictures posted on the above December 2004 Freerepublic thread are actually from a stunning new Vietnamese-American Motion Picture completed in October 2004 about the human aftermath of the 1975 Fall of Saigon titled:

.."JOURNEY from the FALL"
(They Lost Everything but Hope)

Saturday night I was blessed to attend a Little Saigon Preview of this 2nd coming of "The PASSION of the CHRIST" Motion Picture in the town I grew up in and then left for the 1st Major Battles of the Vietnam War ..and back, Garden Grove CA.

Imagine my surprise in suddenly seeing these Pictures in front of me in full color, widescreen and full Stereo sound..? The human suffering I then experienced was unforgettable.

Before America can fully come to terms with its new Time of War in a new century, it must first come to terms with its abandoning the Free in the last and with those who fooled us here into doing so.

All that's needed now is a "JOURNEY" Movie Distributor for this message to get out there, but then didn't even MEL GIBSON have a problem finding one for his own "PASSION"..?

For more,

Enter:.. JOURNEY from the Fall ..on:



85 posted on 05/02/2005 7:47:16 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965
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To: Lazamataz

Well, great minds DO think alike, dontcha know.

Llewellyn wrote that our society values the sacrifices of servicemembers. But when he said "OUR society", he implied he and I are part of the same society, and there isn't only one.

We belong to the same structure of tax collection, representative govt (well, kinda- I live in MA, where the Supreme Judicial Court rules by fiat), and trial by jury.

But society is more than the shared rules we live under. What we value, spiritually and ethically, and how we communicate those values to others is the greater measure of what "society" means.

And with that in mind, I can say with little doubt that Professor Llewellyn and I are NOT part of the same society.

But don't get me wrong: I'm not any kind of martyr, survivalist, Jesus-freak, war hero, or big-time vets activist; I'm not even a Republican. I'm not pushing an agenda or trying to make converts.

It just puts a burr up my ass when people talk sh*t about veterans, and doubly so if the sh*t talker is so far removed from standing a watch.

Sorry for the rant.


86 posted on 05/02/2005 7:48:10 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: Americanexpat
I don't know where this guy got his facts from.

He doesn't care about facts.

He cares about the Revolution.

87 posted on 05/02/2005 7:49:42 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Milhous

Unfortunately it took the "discredited" Talon News to make this a nationally known issue at a press conference, and even then the Boston Globe ignored the White House statement on these photos and chose to run with them in an election year.

The nature of the exchange was something like, "have these discredited porn photos caused us any problems and will the US embassy in Egypt be pushing for a retraction from the Middle Eastern media?"

89 posted on 05/02/2005 8:00:14 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Beth528

Corbis won't permit FR to show this image even from other sites servers. Somehow I doubt that Strangecosmos or Snopes paid Corbis.

90 posted on 05/02/2005 8:02:16 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports ...

Returning from Vietnam, I landed at Anchorage International and then at San Francisco International, in uniform, and I did not see any problems whatsoever.

When I left for Vietnam, we were warned not to wear our uniforms into San Francisco, but four of us did anyway. We were treated like kings by the good people there who wanted to buy us drinks and food.

91 posted on 05/02/2005 8:09:27 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: weegee
How about this one Weegee?
92 posted on 05/02/2005 8:11:54 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: kellynla
I know this story is true because I was that Marine.

I'm sorry that happened to you, I won't forget
93 posted on 05/02/2005 8:13:44 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: Vision

Listen, I let it go thirty years ago. LOL

The problem is that many didn't and haven't.

But I appreciate the thought.

Semper Fi,

94 posted on 05/02/2005 8:15:23 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Interesting Times
no bet here.

i did NOT get spit on but i did get HIT by flying debris. rotten eggs/fruit and some things that were "recycled food".

free dixie,sw

95 posted on 05/02/2005 8:28:39 AM PDT by stand watie (being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. it is a LEARNED prejudice against dixie.)
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To: kellynla

I am proud to say that I never knew a single Air Force guy who got spit on during that time frame, and I used to know a lot of them back in Las Vegas where Nellis AFB is.

It hurts my very soul that you and others did have that happen to you though.

The BIG consolation you heroes have is that you know that the American People didn't feel like that towards you. Only the cowards and traitors like Jane Fonda and her ilk.

Thanks, for what you did for us. We appreciate you. And that's a TRUE STORY!

96 posted on 05/02/2005 12:13:16 PM PDT by JudyB1938 ("A paranoid schizophrenic is somebody who just found out what's going on." - Wm S. Burroughs, Jr.)
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GIs landed at military airbases, not civilian airports,...

Flat out not true. When I went to Guam, I did indeed take a military transport out of Travis AFB. But when I came back, it was on a commercial jet that landed at LAX.

I know of vets returnining out of Vietnam who took military flights to Guam, P.I., Japan and other places, then commercial flights from there. It was more cost efficient for them to do so. And yes, there were many military flights from these places home also.
97 posted on 05/02/2005 12:19:45 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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Hey Boston Globe dweebs, you've got a choice:

I suggest that you get busy apologizing to our veterans, before they make the choice for you.

And that ain't gonna be no myth. :P

98 posted on 05/02/2005 3:07:05 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: The Drowning Witch

This article will boil your blood.

99 posted on 05/02/2005 3:17:29 PM PDT by Jackknife (No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation.-MacArthur)
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To: RaceBannon

I was spit on in SF International Airport, in March 1967,. after coming home from my first tour.

You came into Travis and had to wear your uniform in order to get military standby, at SFIA.

It was 3 AM and I brought some hurt on the guy, hippies fought like girls. The rookie cop at the concourse had just got out of the Marines, so their was no trouble.

When I got back from my second tour in '68 I was in Chelsea Naval Hospital. To correct some misnomers about Boston, I never paid for a drink while in uniform outside of the College areas. Eastern Mass had very many people serving, especally Marines, the same holds true today, and per capita one of the highest casuality rates in the VN conflict.

I took more shit from Korean and WW2 vets, when I joined the VFW, not a real war, than I did in any of the neighborhoods of Boston,

100 posted on 05/02/2005 6:01:32 PM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State)
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