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Nation's Christian Roots Attacked-(lib "Interfaith Alliance" protesting our Christian heritage!)
FAMILY.ORG ^ | APRIL 29, 2005 | JOSH MONTEZ

Posted on 05/02/2005 4:14:11 PM PDT by CHARLITE

A left-leaning group called the Interfaith Alliance is protesting the influence of Christianity in U.S. history.

A liberal action group has challenged the views of a well-known conservative who points in detail to the influence Christianity has had on U.S. history.

David Barton, founder of Wallbuilders, regularly gives tours of the U.S. Capitol to spotlight the faith-based underpinnings of key moments in American history. But the Interfaith Alliance—a group from the religious left—recently objected to a Barton excursion, accusing him of revising history.

The tour in question was for Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, but the alliance didn't complain to Barton—they went to the media.

"They seem to be committed to a fairly active goal of secularism," Barton said. "What I do is simply walk through the Capitol and pull out religious documents that are already depicted in the Capitol and show the originals."

Representatives for the Interfaith Alliance did not respond to an interview request.

Gary Bauer, president of American Values, said if anyone is revising history, it's not Barton.

"It's the history books in most of our schools that are giving a distorted view," he explained. "Mr. Barton has done an incredible job of researching the beliefs of our founding fathers and the strong role that faith played in those events leading up to 1776."

The Interfaith Alliance, Bauer added, gets a free ride from the media in citing the influence of religion on their political activities, while Christian conservatives are attacked.

Peter Sprigg, a spokesman for the Family Research council, agreed.

"It's astonishing how far the left has gone in trying to strip religion from the public square—in this case almost literally," he said. "And yet liberal Christians—liberal 'people of faith,' as they put it . . . are just as politically active as conservatives."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
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1 posted on 05/02/2005 4:14:18 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

And the divide continues to grow.


2 posted on 05/02/2005 4:15:58 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852
And the divide continues to grow.

Yes, and you're helping every chance you get. Pushing creationism in public schools promotes this kind of blowback. It will get worse.

3 posted on 05/02/2005 4:23:12 PM PDT by narby
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To: mlc9852
And the divide continues to grow.

Yes, and you're helping every chance you get. Pushing creationism in public schools promotes this kind of blowback. It will get worse.

4 posted on 05/02/2005 4:23:42 PM PDT by narby
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To: CHARLITE

Our values are whatever we the people say they are. That means they may or may not reflect faith values. It's up to us. What the left wants is to outlaw the use of faith to shape our values. That's wrong. In other words, they want to win by default, since the right's ideology will be illegal if they get their way in the courts. So leftist goal #1: Pack the courts. The people would NEVER agree to their plan.


5 posted on 05/02/2005 4:23:50 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: CHARLITE
A left-leaning group called the Interfaith Alliance is protesting the influence of Christianity in U.S. history.

If you're a relativist, truth means nothing. If you don't like it, rewrite it.

6 posted on 05/02/2005 4:24:51 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: mlc9852

And the divide continues to grow.
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Lucifer never rests... neither do his fiendish legions !!!



7 posted on 05/02/2005 4:25:33 PM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!! -- Impeach Greer !!!.)
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To: CHARLITE

David Barton is a good man and patriot. I like Wallbuilders.


8 posted on 05/02/2005 4:26:06 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: narby

I get it. So even though God created the universe like he says in Genesis, we can't teach this, because it might make a few libs mad?


9 posted on 05/02/2005 4:26:18 PM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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To: narby
It will get worse.

According to Jesus, it will get a lot worse.

10 posted on 05/02/2005 4:26:36 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: CHARLITE

Barton's "research" is sloppy and many of his points have been debunked. He's not really the person you want to use as the poster child for integrity in faith.


11 posted on 05/02/2005 4:26:47 PM PDT by jess35
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To: narby
Pushing creationism in public schools promotes this kind of blowback. It will get worse.

Well, then, I guess Christians better just shut up......nah.

FMCDH(BITS)

12 posted on 05/02/2005 4:33:04 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: TeenagedConservative
I get it. So even though God created the universe like he says in Genesis, we can't teach this, because it might make a few libs mad?

Because it might make a few Christians like me mad because my interpretation of Genesis has plenty of room for evolution.

God gave us a Bible, and He gave us His creation. By definition, they cannot be in conflict. If an apparent conflict exists, then someone interpreted something wrong.

If you want to understand about salvation, then the Bible is your book. If you want to understand how Gods creation works, then study it. Which is what science has done, and has found enourmous evidence for evolution.

That is what should be taught in schools.

13 posted on 05/02/2005 4:33:32 PM PDT by narby
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To: TeenagedConservative

Welcome to FR.

Don't let these people get to you. You'll only wind up mired in a flame war. It won't be the first or the last time this has happened, however.

The idea that you shouldn't speak your mind because it make someone else uncomfortable is as like you put it...ridiculous. If everyone on the right sat around and wrung their hands like that, there would be no FR.


14 posted on 05/02/2005 4:33:58 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: nothingnew
Well, then, I guess Christians better just shut up......nah.

Go ahead, bang your own head with a hammer and claim you're doing it for your faith. There are lots of wierdos in India that stick things in their bodies for the same reason.

But I don't think either stunt is a good idea.

15 posted on 05/02/2005 4:35:31 PM PDT by narby
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To: mlc9852
I'll bet you don't have to look to far into the membership and other supporters of these groups to find involvement of members of the religion of hate peace.

It's not hard to miss the large number of burka wearing people attending these rallies put on by the left. Little do these Lunatic lefties realize that they are teamed up with the ones who are most likely to force them to believe, and base their legal system entirely on it as is happening all over the world in lands where Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise.

16 posted on 05/02/2005 4:36:16 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: nothingnew

No, they want us to all shut up except when it comes to the first Thursday in November.


17 posted on 05/02/2005 4:36:50 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: AZ_Cowboy
The idea that you shouldn't speak your mind because it make someone else uncomfortable is as like you put it...ridiculous.

The issue is that when conservatives push religion in schools, it damages our ability to effect far more important issues like judges, abortion, Social Security Reform, etc. There are plenty of us conservatives that are trying to keep our collective eye on the ball and get things done. Spending political capital promoting creationism is not on the agenda.

18 posted on 05/02/2005 4:38:31 PM PDT by narby
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To: AZ_Cowboy; narby

Thanks Cowboy. :)

Narby, creationism might be wrong, but if so, it's not because it divided the electorate. If it was wrong, it would be because science or the Bible had disproven it. This is my point. I would love to debate creationism, but this isn't the place. :)


19 posted on 05/02/2005 4:38:59 PM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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To: AZ_Cowboy

That would be Tuesday.


20 posted on 05/02/2005 4:39:45 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: narby
Pushing creationism in public schools promotes this kind of blowback. It will get worse.

So what, the deceiving evil LIE of evolution should be just fine to continue PUSHING on our children?

Instead of making outlandish ignorant statements maybe you need to think about just what is causing more blowout...God's precepts (...and I challenge you to name just ONE that isn't righteous)or secular liberal obscurity?

21 posted on 05/02/2005 4:40:55 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: narby

You are no christian at all, and you are the weirdo for sure. You are an ignorant fool; a wolf in sheep skin.


22 posted on 05/02/2005 4:41:18 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: AZ_Cowboy
No, they want us to all shut up except when it comes to the first Thursday in November.

No, I want you to get out and work for the Presidents agenda. Which right now is getting judges confirmed, and getting Social Security reform done.

Bush is a genuine Christian and he's not stupid. If he thought it was time to push for creationism in schools, then that's what he'd do.

Now is not the time for that subject.

23 posted on 05/02/2005 4:42:20 PM PDT by narby
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To: gedeon3
You are no christian at all, and you are the weirdo for sure. You are an ignorant fool; a wolf in sheep skin.

You are not the Judge.

24 posted on 05/02/2005 4:42:59 PM PDT by narby
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To: gedeon3

I need say no more.


25 posted on 05/02/2005 4:43:43 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: Raycpa
"According to Jesus, it will get a lot worse."

It's called the great revolt, and it has been apon us for some time now. As you probably know, scripture tells us it becomes prgressively worse. Are you interested in some explanations and thoughts on biblical prophacy? Here's a good online book on it: http://goodnewschristianministry.org/babylon.htm

26 posted on 05/02/2005 4:44:10 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: sirchtruth
So what, the deceiving evil LIE of evolution should be just fine to continue PUSHING on our children?

Yes, I know. Darwin was satan himself.

27 posted on 05/02/2005 4:44:44 PM PDT by narby
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To: jess35
Try this:


28 posted on 05/02/2005 4:45:40 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: narby

Your cover has been blown; the bible discribes your type. Indeed, it calls your type a fool and an wolf in sheep skins.


29 posted on 05/02/2005 4:46:41 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: narby

I direct you to the prime example of timeliness: The Cross. It was also the most untimely way to do it, too. Waiting until 2005 would have spared Jesus' life.

The idea of a "time" to press certain things is absurd. Creationism isn't a political idea; it's just a fact. In six days God created the heavens and the earth. Withholding this fact is the equivalent of lying, and a lie that could lead to the damnation of people.


30 posted on 05/02/2005 4:48:40 PM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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To: TeenagedConservative
Welcome to

31 posted on 05/02/2005 4:49:46 PM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses.)
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To: jess35

Details, please.


32 posted on 05/02/2005 4:51:22 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: gedeon3

You can't force anyone to learn about the Lord. Remember, he only wants those who come looking for him on their own free will. As a Christian, you should help those who come looking.

At the same time, we should not allow our freedoms and rights in the constitution to be trampled on. So wear your cross, carry your bible anywhere you choose. Anyone trying to prevent that is in violation of constitutional law.
I'd like to see the teacher of your class try fail you for using the creationist theory as a base for your earth sciences assignments.
He can't, because evolutionalism is only a theory as well, Science hasn't been helpful in supporting that theory either.


33 posted on 05/02/2005 4:52:39 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: narby

Pushing atheism, socialism and faggotry in the public schools is what has caused a reaction from Christian America. It will get worse.


34 posted on 05/02/2005 4:54:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (Terribot Kook Extraordinaire)
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To: TeenagedConservative

Waiting until 2005 would have spared Jesus' life?


35 posted on 05/02/2005 4:54:15 PM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses.)
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To: nothingnew
Well, then, I guess Christians better just shut up

Only ignorant ones. I am certain God does not smile on propagation of misinformation.

36 posted on 05/02/2005 4:54:15 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: narby

I agree regarding the importance of issues, and I do not doubt the President's sincere commitments to his faith. I don't think that they all split apart cleanly, however. The chips will fall where they may, and it doesn't harm me if people think the two theories are compatible or not. Just as long as we're all aiming for the same general vicinity, I think we're all OK. I think we pretty much are.

Those other issues will have backlash associated with them as well. The opposition will search high and low for anything and take it out of context no matter who it is that is doing the talking.


37 posted on 05/02/2005 4:54:55 PM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: TeenagedConservative
I would love to debate creationism, but this isn't the place. :)

An article about "Nation's Christian Roots" being attacked is exactly the place.

I work with a guy (PhD in Math) that absolutly hates Christians and George Bush in particular. The reason why is because he thinks that Bush will force his children to learn that evolution, and the biological sciences it supports, is fiction.

Pushing creationism needlessly provokes those who are not now Christians. The proper method to reach these people is to witness to them. Not come in with jackboots and force them to hear your message with the power of government.

38 posted on 05/02/2005 4:58:32 PM PDT by narby
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Pushing atheism, socialism and faggotry in the public schools is what has caused a reaction from Christian America. It will get worse.

Then fight those things, because they need to be fought and stop waisting your time attempting to change the science curriculum because evolution has nothing at all to do with those issues.

39 posted on 05/02/2005 5:00:43 PM PDT by narby
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To: perfect stranger
"Waiting until 2005 would have spared Jesus' life?"

I was wondering about that too. Jesus came, his comming and death was fortold. NOTHING could have prevented the events from unfolding as they did. If Christ didn't die on the cross as was fortold in the old testament, we would still be bound to the laws and penalties of the old covanent. We would not have been saved, and we would not have a new covanent. Baptism would be meaningless. There would be no such thing as a Christian.

40 posted on 05/02/2005 5:04:19 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: TeenagedConservative
The idea of a "time" to press certain things is absurd. Creationism isn't a political idea; it's just a fact. In six days God created the heavens and the earth. Withholding this fact is the equivalent of lying, and a lie that could lead to the damnation of people.

I have no problem with that. Except the time and place to do it is in your church, not in a public school.

Christians make young earth creationism a political idea when they demand it be taught at public expense.

41 posted on 05/02/2005 5:05:25 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby

Wow, someone I actually agree with on every point. Well said, narby!


42 posted on 05/02/2005 5:05:38 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: narby
Sorry, but I believe in local control of schools, not in allowing secularist commissars write our children's curricula.
43 posted on 05/02/2005 5:06:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (Terribot Kook Extraordinaire)
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To: narby
"Then fight those things, because they need to be fought and stop waisting your time attempting to change the science curriculum because evolution has nothing at all to do with those issues."

Evolution has nothing to do with truth either. it's only a theory, a failing one at that. It should not be taught to the exclusion of all other theories.

44 posted on 05/02/2005 5:07:56 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: narby

By the way, America was founded upon Christian principles, whether we teach Creation in schools or not.


45 posted on 05/02/2005 5:08:03 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (Terribot Kook Extraordinaire)
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To: Nathan Zachary
"Waiting until 2005 would have spared Jesus' life?" ... I was wondering about that too.

Wonderful. We have a disagreement about the scripture.

Which is all I have about Genesis vs. evolution. Genesis only has a few hundred words of detail about the creation. Not nearly enough to tell the method God used for any of His work.

I interpret the Bible my way, and you interpret it another. But the bottom line is that neither of our interpretations should be taught in science class. Pushing creationism there invites a negative reaction that is not helpful in bringing people to understand God.

Bring people into your church. THEN talk about HOW you believe God created the universe. Attempting to do it the other way round does more damage than good.

46 posted on 05/02/2005 5:10:11 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby

And creationism does not have to be about the bible either.
You can choose to believe it happened as God said, or not.
Regardless creationism is a sound theory, with more science to support it than does evolutionism.
That's why evolution should not be taught if it is excluding all other theory.


47 posted on 05/02/2005 5:12:22 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Tailgunner Joe
By the way, America was founded upon Christian principles, whether we teach Creation in schools or not.

Yeah, I know that. And I've done quite extensive research into the real meaning behind the First Amendment and "separation of Church and State" (which I don't doubt we would completly agree on).

But that is completly separate from pushing a particular interpretation of Genesis, not shared even among all Christians (The Catholic Church is famous on the evolution side of the argument), into science class.

48 posted on 05/02/2005 5:13:00 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby

Are you afraid of "BLOW BACK", That's what the left is counting on, Fear!!


49 posted on 05/02/2005 5:15:12 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie (Defend the US CONSTITUTION - Locked and Loaded)
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To: Nathan Zachary
You can choose to believe it happened as God said, or not.

Well, how does the Bible say God created the species?

My problem is that it doesn't say much at all. A couple of sentences that can, and has, been interpreted many different ways. Not nearly enough detail to really commit your life to.

I'll repeat. God created the universe, and He gave us the Bible. There can be no contradiction between the two.

If you want to understand God's creation, then you have to study it, and the best method to do so is science. That has been done, and all evidence (your post notwithstanding) points to evolution.

I'm sorry, your claims that "creationism has more science to support it" is woefully inaccurate. You really have no idea.

50 posted on 05/02/2005 5:17:32 PM PDT by narby
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