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US has 'significant' deterrent capability against North Korea: Rice
AFP ^ | 05/02/05

Posted on 05/02/2005 8:14:10 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

US has 'significant' deterrent capability against North Korea: Rice

Mon May 2, 6:40 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The United States has "significant deterrent capability" to thwart North Korea's nuclear ambitions, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned as the White House called a weekend missile test by Pyongyang "provocative."

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Rice told reporters, after talks here with French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier, that "the United States maintains significant, I want to underline significant, deterrent capability of all kinds in the Asia-Pacific region.

"So I don't think there should be any doubt about our ability to deter whatever the North Koreans are up to," she said.

The short-range missile launched off North Korea's east coast came a day before the opening of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty conference in New York and as Pyongyang stepped up its war of words with the United States.

Sunday's missile test was "a continuation of a series of provocative acts by North Korea, and they only serve to further isolate North Korea," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

"There is a consensus among all parties in the region that the only viable path for North Korea is to return to the six-party talks and to abandon its nuclear weapons program," he said.

Rice said that missiles would "at some point" have to be a part of the discussion to scrap North Korea's nuclear program although she did not specify whether it should be included in multilateral talks, designed to end the hardline communist state's nuclear weapons buildup.

Her reminder of US military might Monday came amid increasing signals that American patience is wearing thin over North Korea's refusal to return to six-party talks hosted by China.

North Korea has been boasting about its nuclear capability in recent months and said it had built "the nuclear deterrent force" to "effectively cope with the arrogant, outrageous and brigandish method of the US."

Rice discussed the Korean nuclear crisis with her Japanese counterpart, Nobutaka Machimura, on Monday as part of their first round of a "strategic dialogue" and both urged China to play a more active role in reining in North Korea's nuclear ambitions, Machimura said.

"Certainly the Chinese have made a lot of efforts recently, and we recognize and appreciate that," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said. "But the fact is, North Korea hasn't come back."

Rice and Machimura also discussed the possibility of referring the Korean nuclear crisis to the United Nations Security Council.

"We touched upon that at this meeting, as well, as one of the options on the table, but the primary thing is to realise the six-party talks as soon as possible. But everything else is on the table, as well," Machimura said.

Rice emphasized "the ability of the United States to deter, both on behalf of itself and on behalf of its allies, North Korean nuclear ambitions or gains on the (Korean) peninsula."

The United States has a pact with its allies Japan and South Korea to defend them if they come under threat from North Korea, and it has military facilities and troops stationed in the two countries.

China has hosted three rounds of the six-party talks involving the two Koreas, Russia, the United States and Japan, but North Korea failed to show up for a fourth round set for September 2004.

At the talks, the United States has supported multilateral security guarantees for North Korea if it verifiably and irreversibly scraps its weapons program.

US intelligence officials believe North Korea has had a nuclear weapons capability since the early 1990s and may have added to its arsenal since it expelled UN nuclear inspectors and withdrew from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 2003.

The director of the US Defense Intelligence Agency said last week North Korea is believed to be capable of arming a long-range missile with a nuclear warhead and could deploy a two-stage intercontinental missile that could hit US territory.

"That's all the more reason why we need to take steps under the assumption that they can, because of the regime that is in power there," White House spokesman McClellan said Monday, underlining President Bush's initiative for a missile defense system.

"That's one important deterrent that we continue to pursue," he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 6partytalk; deterrent; missiletest; nkorea; northkorea; npt; nuke; proliferation; rice
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  1. Bush blasted Kim Jong-il,
  2. so did his Chief of Staff, Andy Card.
  3. DIA says N. Korea can mount warhead on missiles
  4. N. Korea test-fired its missile again(probably a cruise missile.)
  5. U.S. plan for preemptive nuclear strike to rogue states or terrorists was leaked to the press.
  6. Every permanent member in U.N. Security Council except China is on board for talking sanction against N. Korea
  7. 12 F-15 move to Guam with support crews, including  refueling tankers.
  8. Probable N. Korean nuclear test site identified: Work is in progress in Kil-ju, N. Korea for apparent underground nuclear test.
  9. Rice warns that U.S. can handle anything N. Korea can dish out.

U.S. is digging in. Barring the last-minute change of heart by N. Korea to return to 6-party talks, things will only escalate. Palpable tension in the air.

1 posted on 05/02/2005 8:14:14 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; OahuBreeze; yonif; risk; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/02/2005 8:14:42 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I suspect the dark night of North Korea might have a glowing green auro soon....


3 posted on 05/02/2005 8:16:23 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta! It appears that SABERTOOTH got himself suspended. Again. ????)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

We can deter N Korean aggression. I don't think we are planning any military action to disarm the N Korean nuke capability.


4 posted on 05/02/2005 8:18:53 PM PDT by Williams
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The US cannot deter NK, which implies that we can keep them from doing certain things.

We can destroy them, of course, but deterrence out of fear of being destroyed only works with a rational deterree. NK's recent history provides little evidence of rationality.


5 posted on 05/02/2005 8:18:59 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

I got question Tiger how long before Kim Jong going send invitae to Condi Rice would she accept like Maddy not Too Bright LOL! OR NOTTTT


6 posted on 05/02/2005 8:19:12 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Your reply #1, excellent summary. Thanks.


7 posted on 05/02/2005 8:19:13 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Same deterrence that beat the Soviet Union:

Click for Launch

8 posted on 05/02/2005 8:20:16 PM PDT by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

23,000,000 starving people with nuclear weapons.


9 posted on 05/02/2005 8:27:17 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Bush always says he supports a "nuclear free Korean penisula". Doesn't this imply that if North Korea doesn't give up their nukes, the US may places nukes in South Korea?


10 posted on 05/02/2005 8:27:54 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: TigerLikesRooster

A photo of Condi with that angry "I'm going to make you pay for that" look would be appropriate here I think.


11 posted on 05/02/2005 8:29:04 PM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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To: AZHua87

,,, Condi can't come to your screen right now, but here's something to smile about.

13 posted on 05/02/2005 8:35:23 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Restorer
We can destroy them, of course, but deterrence out of fear of being destroyed only works with a rational deterree. NK's recent history provides little evidence of rationality.

Not necessarily. Not EVERYONE in NK leadership or military is suicidal. We are doing everything but buying air time on their radio to depose the nut cases. Lil Kim may wake up dead one morning.
14 posted on 05/02/2005 8:35:42 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Restorer
"We can destroy them, of course, but deterrence out of fear of being destroyed only works with a rational deterree. NK's recent history provides little evidence of rationality."

Exactly. Put another way, we had a policy of MAD with the Soviets during the cold war, but that won't work with the N. Koreans, because they already are.

15 posted on 05/02/2005 8:36:02 PM PDT by zipper ("The fear of God makes heroes, the fear of man makes cowards."-- Sgt Alvin C. York)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
There wouldn't be a NK had Truman not pulled the plug on MacArthur.

Truman is the most overrated President in history.

16 posted on 05/02/2005 8:37:25 PM PDT by ServesURight (Health Information Technology student! Make $$$ Coding, Transcription - www.ahima.org)
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To: shaggy eel

You got that right!

Have you read the book "Iron Coffins?" It's top notch even if it is about WWII German U-Boats.


17 posted on 05/02/2005 8:38:34 PM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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To: Restorer
Totally agree. The only option is to bomb that country to smithereens. A traditional war with NK would cost thousands of American lives.

The terrain of NK is very hilly with unpredictable, extreme weather. Plus nobody hasn't been inside the country for decades. I'm pretty sure Chia Pet has massive underground tunnel bunkers.

18 posted on 05/02/2005 8:42:11 PM PDT by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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To: AZHua87

,,, no, I haven't read that one.


19 posted on 05/02/2005 8:47:04 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Williams

I don't think we are planning any preemption either.

But if that flathead Kim uncorks a portobella then I'd like to think there would be a swift and unambigous response.


20 posted on 05/02/2005 8:48:52 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: shaggy eel
It's worth a read I think. Also, the book titled "The Magician." That's about the British stage magic artist that became a Major in His Majesties Service and was placed in charge of Camouflage and concealment and he used his theatre skills to do some pretty amazing things.
21 posted on 05/02/2005 8:53:34 PM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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To: Experiment 6-2-6

South Korea will be an island.


22 posted on 05/02/2005 8:54:54 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: AZHua87

,,, that's talent!


23 posted on 05/02/2005 8:58:58 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The US can't do anything more than try to prevent NK from shipping technology overseas.

NK is nuclear and that will not change.

China is useless and a war is out of the question.

24 posted on 05/02/2005 9:00:49 PM PDT by zarf
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To: SmithL
Same deterrence that beat the Soviet Union

Except the Soviets weren't nuts.

25 posted on 05/02/2005 9:04:54 PM PDT by ConservativeLawyer
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To: ConservativeLawyer
Except the Soviets weren't nuts.

So, even though the Soviet Union went bankrupt, Mother Russia is still habitable.

26 posted on 05/02/2005 9:08:58 PM PDT by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: SmithL

All I'm saying is I'm not sure the leadership of NK will think through the logical result in which their actions may result. Having said that, I hope you are right.

BTW: thank you for your service.


27 posted on 05/02/2005 9:18:26 PM PDT by ConservativeLawyer
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"the United States maintains significant, I want to underline significant, deterrent capability of all kinds in the Asia-Pacific region.

That's what I like to hear Condi!

You hear that Kimmie?

28 posted on 05/02/2005 9:22:46 PM PDT by vezke
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To: ConservativeLawyer

I hope I'm right too, but I believe you completely about NK being nuts. Mutually Assured Destruction was a workable concept against a major power that wanted to avoid destruction. I have no idea what NK really wants, and I suspect that they don't know for sure, either.


29 posted on 05/02/2005 9:24:38 PM PDT by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: Restorer

The problem of dealing with folks like Saddam and Kim Jong Il is that they are simple street thugs elevated to positions of power that are beyond their intellect. This is like your local Afghan warlord having a nuclear tipped SCUD. There are different variations in the theme but they are both the same.

To them, the world is one big Gangland. Saddam slimed his way through the streets of Tikrit and Kim Jong Il fought his way through the N. Korean authoritacracy. That is all they know. Live and die by the sword. These guys having nuclear weapons is bad. Very bad. I'm not sure what we can do about it. There are some very touch choices to make in the near future.


30 posted on 05/02/2005 10:02:28 PM PDT by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: ChinaThreat
Kim Jong Il fought his way through the N. Korean authoritacracy.

As I understand it, Mr. Kim actually inherited his position from Dad. That means he's likely to be even less grounded in reality than if he'd fought his way up from the mean streets.

Imagine what Hitler's son might have been like.

31 posted on 05/02/2005 10:16:35 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Experiment 6-2-6; nuconvert; TigerLikesRooster
I suspect the dark night of North Korea might have a glowing green auro soon....



In any other country the light intensity correlates with population density, not in the kingdom of Kim-Dim.

The picture was taken in October of 2000 from a Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) satellite at an altitude of approximately 450 miles (720 km).
33 posted on 05/02/2005 10:53:35 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: sheik yerbouty
South Korea will be an island.


34 posted on 05/02/2005 11:06:26 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Never argue with an idiot, bystanders might not be able to tell the difference)
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OH MAN that too scary that tell me alot about Chia Pet Kim

He is one psycho leader I bet only house that has lights in his own cribs LOL!

I don't think that Condi would go to North Korea unlike Maddy not Too Bright I don't think Little Kim like strong women


35 posted on 05/02/2005 11:09:45 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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OH MAN that too scary that tell me alot about Chia Pet Kim

He is one psycho leader I bet only house that has lights in his own cribs LOL!

I don't think that Condi would go to North Korea unlike Maddy not Too Bright I don't think Little Kim like strong women


36 posted on 05/02/2005 11:09:46 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

North Korea? Nothing an Ohio-class submarine cant fix.


38 posted on 05/02/2005 11:16:29 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: ServesURight
There wouldn't be a NK had Truman not pulled the plug on MacArthur. Truman is the most overrated President in history.

The ROC would still be on the mainland and Taiwan would never have to face the threat of communism/neo-fascism it does today if MacArthur had his way with both North Korea AND China.

39 posted on 05/02/2005 11:19:27 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: ASA Vet

Whoops!


40 posted on 05/02/2005 11:27:15 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: AZHua87; All
A photo of Condi with that angry "I'm going to make you pay for that" look would be appropriate here I think.

 


41 posted on 05/03/2005 1:51:43 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

One would say, in Japanese (if just about to fight some street toughs in a blind alley with now way out), "kuru nara, koi!" That is just about what she has issued to the Norkies. Rather provocative. They need to hear it, though. This ain't Clintonville anymore.


42 posted on 05/03/2005 6:20:03 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I'll get worried when heavy assets from Europe and the ME are "redeployed" to the pacific.


43 posted on 05/03/2005 6:33:48 AM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: Restorer

You are correct. It was inherited. But nothing in this regime is guranteed, even when a bloodline is involved. He was not immediately made leader after his father's death in fact. It was three years later that he was made the head of the Communist Party.

Kim Il Jong was a despot in training. His father groomed him for the position but this grooming involved him being trained in the art of intimidation and the reminder that someone was always looking over their shoulder. He was paraded from millitary post to police station in his 20s and 30s and trained by his father in intimidation tactics. His ascension was more formal in nature, but the rules he grew up with are functionally the same rules of the street.


44 posted on 05/03/2005 7:27:46 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: ASA Vet
Stop it! Yer making my sides hurt!


45 posted on 05/03/2005 11:20:06 AM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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To: Stoat

Thanks, you gotta admit,..... it fits!


46 posted on 05/03/2005 11:21:05 AM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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To: Tai_Chung

heck yeah, time to up the ante!!! Put nukes on the ground and put a few of our SSBNs off their coast--they so much as flinch the 38th parallel to the Yalu river becomes a glass parking lot!!!


47 posted on 05/03/2005 11:31:34 AM PDT by Schwaeky (Attention Liberal Catholics---The Caffeteria is officially and permanently CLOSED!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Rice and Machimura also discussed the possibility of referring the Korean nuclear crisis to the United Nations Security Council.

But after the discussion they both looked at each other.....and laughed out loud.

48 posted on 05/03/2005 11:33:53 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Schwaeky
I really don't see the point of "nukes on the ground", just park a few Subs with trident missiles (or some other version of our Sub launched nuclear missiles) off the coast and arm a couple B-2's in Guam or Diego Garcia and it would be a very bad day for Kim.
49 posted on 05/03/2005 11:49:47 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: A Texan

A missile test gives our friend the Chia Pet plenty of room to stand down. You'll notice that he didn't conduct an underground test. Of course, being the Chia Pet, it would be Li'l Kim's style to conduct an above ground test of at least 20kt.....

is not congruent with

BTW, this is to settle the arguement that the Lil Kims are somehow related.

Anyhoo, the hammer will drop if Chia Pet conducts a nuclear test, underground or otherwise. What you will see, however, is an attempt to isolate Kim by means of submarine warfare and naval quarantine. Once he tests, we can reasonably take action against him as a threat to the rest of the nations in the theater.

Needless to say, the fates of the crews of the several diesel-electric submarines now in the DPRK Navy would be sealed early in the campaign.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

50 posted on 05/03/2005 5:33:53 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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