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The Fundamental Right of Self Defense: The 27th Amendment - (settle it for all time!)
CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | MAY 3, 3005 | RAYMOND S. KRAFT

Posted on 05/02/2005 8:58:28 PM PDT by CHARLITE

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To: CHARLITE

Its really simple. "The right of the people to keep and bear arm shall not be infringed."

While the people on this forum are good people I would not want them overhauling the second amendment. They have been so conditioned by the media and the left in this country that they now try to justify what is plainly theirs to begin with.


21 posted on 05/03/2005 4:03:39 AM PDT by Modok
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To: Eagles6

The answer to the thing you note is called the second ammendment. The first time four or five such types get on a bus and pull out their weapons, and then everybody else on the bus pulls out THEIR pistols and blow the gang away, 99% of such activity will cease, here, in Columbia, or anywhere else.


22 posted on 05/03/2005 4:41:54 AM PDT by tahotdog
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I really wish that were true. I live in PA and it has been right to carry for quite a while and a very large percentage of homes have firearms. It also has common sense laws regarding personal protection in the home and in public.
I recently posted a story on FR re: home invasions in Pittsburgh which is not a large city by any means. There were 322 in the city in one year. This does not include outside of the city and those unreported.
I know that while right to carry reduces crime it does not eliminate it. I believe that legalization or decriminalization will only increase other violent crime.


24 posted on 05/03/2005 12:24:43 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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Gun grabbers are increasingly trying to separate the right to keep and bear arms from its constitutional underpinnings. To everyone but liberals and gun grabbers the word militia implies a body organized for military use. The Supreme Court Miller decision of 1939 held that the militia was 'A body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further that ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time."

To begin with, only the national government was represented at the trial. With nobody arguing to the contrary, the court followed standard court procedure and assumed that the law was constitutional until proven otherwise. If both sides were present, the outcome may have been much different.

However, since only one party showed up, the case will stand in the court records as is. As to the militia, Mr. Justice McReynolds related the beliefs of the Founding Fathers when commenting historically about the Second Amendment. He stated that, ". . .The common view was that adequate defense of country and laws could be secured through the militia- civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.

"The significance attributed to the term Militia appears from the debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense.

It is clear that the firearms that are most suited for modern-day militia use are those semi automatic military pattern weapons that the yellow press calls "assault weapons". Since nations such as the Swiss trust their citizenry with true selective fire assault rifles, it seems to me that this country ought to be at least able to trust its law-abiding citizenry with the semi automatic version.

Self-defense is a vital corollary benefit of the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. But its primary constitutional reason for being is for service in the well-regulated militia which is necessary to the security of a free state. WE must be prepared to maintain that security against even our own forces that are responding to the orders of a tyrannical government, and the only viable way to counter a standing army's qualitative advantage is with a huge quantitative one. Don't let the gun grabbers and their politician allies separate us from the constitutional reason for the right to keep and bear arms. Miltary pattern weapons are precisly the weapons that should be MOST constitutionally protected. Even defenders of the right often neglect the constitutional aspect of it, and concentrate on their near non-existent use in crime.


If we don't constantly emphasize the constitutional reasons for the Second Amendment than we shall surely lose it, because hunting, while a worthy enterprise, is too trivial a reason to maintain it has a constitutional protection. We need to emphasize to our hunting bretheren that maintenance of the second amendment's constitutional rationale serves to protect their rights to continue to own firearms for hunting. The second amendment is literally the final check for the preservation of our republic from the depredations of untrammeled tyranny. We need to constantly remind the people what the militia in the 2nd amendment is REALLY for..... A citizen body organized for military purposes and by extension, logically equipped with weapons of military utility. Just consider that the founders of our nation had just finished defeating the greatest military power on the planet, thanks in no small part to a citizen militia, armed with military weapons such as the smooth bore Brown Bess musket, and often technologically superior rifled muskets. It is the height of absurdity to think that the second amendment in the Bill of Rights is primarily concerned with shooting bunny rabbits.

The second amendment is literally the final check for the preservation of our republic from the depredations of untrammeled tyranny.


25 posted on 05/04/2005 7:03:48 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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