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Assault-weapons ban needless, owners say (Maine)
Portland Press Herald ^ | 05/03/05 | PAUL CARRIER

Posted on 05/03/2005 6:56:20 AM PDT by Fido969

Tuesday, May 3, 2005

Assault-weapons ban needless, owners say

By PAUL CARRIER, Portland Press Herald Writer

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AUGUSTA — Gun owners turned out in large numbers Monday to condemn a bill in the Legislature that would make it illegal to own, transfer or manufacture so-called assault weapons, as well as .50-caliber rifles and ammunition. Opponents attacked the bill as unnecessary during a committee hearing, saying there is no evidence that such semiautomatic weapons have been used to commit a crime in Maine in more than 60 years, so there is no need for "gun grabbers" to try to outlaw them now.

Backers of the ban said the weapons are designed to kill a lot of people quickly by spraying them with gunfire, so they threaten both the public and the police. They said the ban is designed to avert acts of mass murder in the future, not to crack down on an existing problem in Maine.

Dozens of the 80 or so people who crammed the hearing room wore stickers opposing gun control, and the 22 people who testified against the bill over the course of several hours far outnumbered the handful of people who spoke for it.

The bill is designed to replace an expired federal ban on the manufacture of assault weapons, but it is more sweeping than the federal ban was.

"I try to get on the side of trying to prevent problems before they occur," Sen. Ethan Strimling, D-Portland, the bill's sponsor, told the Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee. Other supporters noted that such weapons were used during the Columbine High School shootings in Colorado and in several high-profile murders in other states.

The bill's definition of assault weapons includes a long list of specific weapons, such as the AK-47, Uzi, Beretta AR-70, Colt AR-15 and other rifles, as well as various pistols, shotguns and other guns. The definition also includes semi-automatic weapons that meet specific criteria, such as those with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition or those with a detachable magazine and a folding stock.

While supporters of the ban questioned the need for such weapons, opponents said some of the weapons that would be outlawed are used in competitive shooting. Critics also said the Maine Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, without requiring that owners justify their need to own specific types of weapons.

Strimling said the bill faces such stiff opposition that the Legislature probably will not pass it, but that did not prevent him from proposing a series of changes Monday that would water it down. Even those changes were not enough to retain the support of Rep. Patricia Blanchette, D-Bangor, a co-sponsor of the bill who announced during the hearing that she now opposes it.

Blanchette, who co-chairs the committee that is considering the bill, pointedly told Strimling: "You want to put a law into effect for a crime and problem that doesn't exist."

Several other members of the panel also were openly skeptical as they questioned witnesses Monday. The committee plans to take a position on the bill Thursday, and then send its recommendation to the full Legislature.

Strimling's proposed changes would allow gun owners to retain outlawed weapons if they own them before the ban takes effect. The changes also would grandfather any Maine company that makes such weapons for the military or for law enforcement.

Bushmaster Firearms of Windham sent a letter to the committee last week saying the bill "would require Bushmaster to move out of Maine immediately." Richard Dyke, Bushmaster's chairman, said in the letter that the state would then lose the taxes on $60 million in annual sales, the annual payroll of more than $7 million for 91 employees and nearly $34,000 in property taxes.

Strimling said he wants to exempt gun manufacturers who serve the military and the police because he wants to protect Bushmaster. He said it was his intention all along to exempt any legally owned guns that owners acquire before the ban takes effect.

Strimling told the committee that 37 assault weapons were found at crime scenes in Maine from 1995 through 2000, but he said in an interview he does not know if any of them was used in committing a crime.

"We believe passage of this legislation will make the streets of Maine safer for our citizens," said Steven Giorgetti of the Maine Chiefs of Police Association, one of about six people who testified in favor of the bill. Giorgetti offered no statistics on the use of such guns in Maine.

Gun owner Barry Sturk of Waterville, who opposed the bill, told the committee such weapons have not been used to commit a crime in Maine since 1937.

The bill "would serve no useful purpose towards the improvement of public safety," said Jeff Weinstein of the Maine Gun Owners Association.

Moreover, the ban "would kill an entire sport," said David Fortier of Stockton Springs, who uses an AR-15 rifle, which would be outlawed, during shooting competitions.

Staff Writer Paul Carrier can be contacted at 622-7511 or at: pcarrier@pressherald.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: assaultweapons; banglist; guncontrol; guns
Freep this poll!
1 posted on 05/03/2005 6:56:21 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969

Weapons grade freeped it


2 posted on 05/03/2005 7:03:08 AM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly
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To: Fido969

3 posted on 05/03/2005 7:06:16 AM PDT by CT CONSERVATIVE (Fight Crime: Shoot Back)
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To: Fido969

I'm not picturing Maine going for it.


4 posted on 05/03/2005 7:07:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: Fido969
"We believe passage of this legislation will make the streets of Maine safer for our citizens," said Steven Giorgetti

You can "believe" it all you want. It does not make it a reality or your idiot gun ban Constitutional.

5 posted on 05/03/2005 7:15:00 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

37 weapons were found at crime scenes meaning that when the police arrested some one a weapon was found. Not that they were used 37 times. A nice play on words for a lieing SOB.


6 posted on 05/03/2005 7:24:48 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Fido969
Bushmaster Firearms of Windham

I wonder if I can arrange a field trip there for my grandson's preschool. That would make his Marine dad happy and drive the libs here nuts.

7 posted on 05/03/2005 7:32:32 AM PDT by armymarinedad (Character makes you draw a line in the dirt.)
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To: riverrunner
Yeah... noticed that as well. Expecting people to just be adults and tell the unvarnished TRUTH is just too much t oask these days.

Makes me sick to think these arseholes are in positions of influence and power.

8 posted on 05/03/2005 7:53:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Well, Strimling came across like the fool that he is. Unprepared, unable to defend this bill and unable to support any of his assertions.

The Press Herald included letters to the editor about the bill today, including one from an hysterical nitwit who insisted that the bill was necessary as "gun violence continues to spiral out of control in this country".

Anyway, that's the intellectual state of the liberals today.
9 posted on 05/03/2005 8:32:26 AM PDT by Fido969 (God? I'm not quite sure of what God is. I know what God isn't. God isn't me.)
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To: Fido969

Liberals, UGH


10 posted on 05/03/2005 8:34:30 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Fido969
Bump for my freedom loving brethren to the north.
11 posted on 05/03/2005 8:35:57 AM PDT by stevio (Remember 9/11 by buying a 1911)
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To: Fido969

LOL, so this is funny. ME is one of the safest places on earth (right behind NH and VT). What are the liberals thinking of? I think its more along the lines of tyranny than public safety.

Q: What is the defn of an assault weapon?
A: Anything the liberals want it to be.


12 posted on 05/03/2005 9:33:55 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: 556x45
The southern coast of Maine has become the cliche liberal haven, there has been a lot of immigration by the "Massholes" who are trying to escape the socialist paradise they created around Boston and Amherst. In Maine the folks not-born-here now outnumber the natives. Unfortunately they brought themselves, so they are going around creating the exact same problems they are trying to run away from.

Portland is a cartoon - that city went about 72% for Skerry. That's Strimling's district.

13 posted on 05/03/2005 9:42:43 AM PDT by Fido969 (God? I'm not quite sure of what God is. I know what God isn't. God isn't me.)
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To: gieriscm

Ping....

"Bushmaster Firearms of Windham sent a letter to the committee last week saying the bill "would require Bushmaster to move out of Maine immediately." Richard Dyke, Bushmaster's chairman, said in the letter that the state would then lose the taxes on $60 million in annual sales, the annual payroll of more than $7 million for 91 employees and nearly $34,000 in property taxes. "

Now the gun makers begin to wake up.

Mike


14 posted on 05/03/2005 9:47:03 AM PDT by BCR #226
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To: BCR #226

BM wouldnt have too far to move as NH would be the perfect location.


15 posted on 05/03/2005 10:04:48 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: 556x45

That would work... the nice thing is that if the bill becomes law, it will hurt the pocket books of that state. I'd be thrilled if Bushmaster refused to sell to any agency in that state as well.

Mike


16 posted on 05/03/2005 10:20:58 AM PDT by BCR #226
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To: Fido969

Ah yes, MA the state that keeps on giving. NH seems to have dodged the plight of We Know Whats Best For You Liberals Migrating North....at least so far. Perhaps there are still enough right thinking folks there to balance the goblin under every bed phobia of the liberals. I think ME is pretty set too. This time around it won't get much traction. The liberals will need some high profile incident to whip the populace into the required panic to give away their precious rights.


17 posted on 05/03/2005 10:28:57 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: BCR #226

It would be far better if they just moved to NH. However, I suspect the ME liberals just aren't going to get the necessary traction to get this one past...at least not this time.

Sadly, I think BM couldn't exist as a company by selective sales. Think of the irony of it though. Liberal govts that deny the citizen's RIGHT to own guns not able to buy guns themselves. It just gives me goose bumps of delight thinking about it!! :)


18 posted on 05/03/2005 10:38:19 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: 556x45

LOL... well, Ronnie Barrett's thinking seems to be spreading quite a bit. Now all we need is for the ammo manufacturers to do the same in California. Let the cops have to go to Nevada and pay retail for their ammo.

That brings up a good point... does the bill in Cali take into account over the border trips for ammo from neighboring free states?

Mike


19 posted on 05/03/2005 10:47:19 AM PDT by BCR #226
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To: BCR #226

Yes it seems to be...slowly. The tough part of all this is that the guys on the line are getting poked in the eye rather than the dull bunch in the legislature. I think bringing the pain home really is whats needed. For instance...legislators will have to endure EXACTLY the same procedures and laws as everyone else...no special favors or dispensations. Laws creating special classes really stink for those left out. As a side note notice the liberals only talk about disenfranchisment in a narrow context that suits their agenda. Why should I depend on the state for my protection? I believe most police feel the same way and really don't want to be involved w/ the community in that way. Those Ive talked to really prefer the populace be well armed.


20 posted on 05/03/2005 1:32:01 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: 556x45; FIDO

Re. your #17:

"The liberals will need some high profile incident to whip the populace into the required panic to give away their precious rights."

On the basis of past strangely "convenient" massacres for the left to politicize, I rather suspect that such an incedent could be "arranged" if it might advance the cause of socialist tyranny in this State.

Remember; This mob running things up in Augusta is acting a lot more like an organized criminal syndicate than any legitimate governmental administration you'd expect to find in a Constitutional Republic.

If they feel that something like that needs to happen in order for them to preserve and advance their power over the Sheeple of Maine, I for one am pretty darned sure that it could be "arranged".

Of course, it may not be necessary; given this racket's propensity for passing law with utter disregard of both the majority of the People's will or the Constitutions of State or Nation, this attrocity may very well become the law of Maine in the near future, whether we like it or not.

And any Legislative Commiocrats with half a conscience who seem to be balking at the ludicrous AWB now can be whipped into conformity pretty quickly by the Mob / Union / Party Bosses (can anyone tell the difference?) in Augusta.
They are known to be very persuasive, and dissent is not well tolerated.

Expect a party-line vote and the typical Baldaccian triumph - after which a lot of Maine gun-owners will be doing a lot of "landscaping".

Oh yes; and violent crime in Maine will rise exponentially, as it always does when the Sheeple are disarmed. We will no longer be one of the safest States in the Union - not for long, anyway.

Just keep letting these Commiocrats rig and steal elections; it'll get worse.


21 posted on 05/03/2005 9:25:43 PM PDT by Uncle Jaque (Vigilance!)
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To: 556x45

You are correct. A big part of the problem is that many area's have gone away from sheriff's departments and gone to Police. The difference being is that a chief of police is a political appointee while a sheriff is elected. Most sheriffs are on our side. The chiefs of police are political hacks for the most part and are about as useless as a fart in a space suit.

As for the laws that exempt cops... Delegate Tom Rust sponsored a POS bill that exempts cops from the one handgun a month law here in Va. He didn't seem to terribly upset when I pointed out that if passed, the law would be in violation of the equal rights protection act and it would be highly discriminatory. Well, it passed and VCDL is suing to have it either repealed or have the one gun a month law repealed.

The other twist to this is that there is a group in Va. that is pushing to remove all law enforcement exemptions regarding firearms in the Va. code... I hope that passes.

Mike


22 posted on 05/04/2005 6:03:07 AM PDT by BCR #226
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