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Multiple ID voting bill wins preliminary OK (Texas)
Houston Chronicle ^ | May 13, 2005 | R.G. RATCLIFFE

Posted on 05/03/2005 7:31:41 AM PDT by Dog Gone

House foes say additional proofs meant to keep some groups away from ballots

AUSTIN - The Texas House in a highly partisan 83-63 vote Monday gave preliminary approval to a bill that would require voters to present as many as three forms of identification before casting a ballot.

Republicans argued the legislation would reduce voter fraud in Texas, but Democrats said the bill is meant to deter minorities and elderly people from voting.

The bill's sponsor, Elections Chair Mary Denny, R-Aubrey, said it is not too much to ask people to prove their identity before voting to preserve the integrity of the election process.

"We have had stories and documentation of people showing up multiple times with voter registration cards and voting in multiple precincts," Denny said.

Rep. Rafael Anchia, R-Dallas, a committee member, said there was no testimony of voter fraud, just anecdotal stories.

"We did not hear one shred of evidence that there is voter fraud in this state," Anchia said. "If this was a court of law, this case would be thrown out for lack of evidence."

The bill would require voters to provide precinct workers with a voter registration card and a photo identification card or two other specified non-photo pieces of identification before voting. Anyone who could not meet all of these requirements could cast a provisional ballot.

Suggests ink stains

Arguing against Democratic amendments to make the bill less restrictive, Rep. John Otto, R-Dayton, suggested adopting measures used by Iraq to make certain people did not vote more than once.

"Would you change your amendment to have a purple, indelible ink stain on their finger so we know who has only voted once?" Otto said.

Rep. Beverly Woolley, R-Houston, said, "I don't think it's too much to ask people to prove who they are when they go to vote."

Rep. Garnett Coleman, D-Houston, noted that any voter who just showed up with a registration card would have to cast a provisional ballot. That voter, he said, would then have to appear at the county voter registrar's office with a proof of identification within five days to have the ballot counted.

"It's not about fraud. It's about voter suppression and intimidation," Coleman said.

Rep. Senfronia Thompson, D-Houston, said the measure is more about promoting a political agenda than eliminating voter fraud.

"This is the same bill that has been filed in several states around the country. It's all sponsored by the Republican Party," Thompson said.

In the House Elections Committee, Denny's bill was supported by the Republican Party of Texas and opposed by the Texas Democratic Party.

Alternate identification

Nineteen states require identification to vote; just five require photo identification.

Denny said her bill is not as restrictive as some of the others because it is not limited to photo identification for proof.

Besides a driver's license or state identification card, the bill also would accept a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement or an official government document showing the name and address of the voter. Other forms of identification would include a passport, proof of citizenship, a military identification card and a certified copy of a birth certificate, marriage license or divorce decree.

Denny said people cannot cash a check or board an airplane without some form of identification.

"You cannot get along in the world and not have an identification," Denny said.

r.g.ratcliffe@chron.com


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2006elections; 2006senaterace; aliens; driverslicense; illegals; multipleid; photoid; purplefinger; realid; texas; votefraud; voterfraud; voterid

1 posted on 05/03/2005 7:31:42 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
The bill's sponsor, Elections Chair Mary Denny, R-Aubrey, said it is not too much to ask people to prove their identity before voting to preserve the integrity of the election process. DAMN RIGHT
2 posted on 05/03/2005 7:34:10 AM PDT by CT CONSERVATIVE (Fight Crime: Shoot Back)
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To: Dog Gone
Democrats said the bill is meant to deter minorities and elderly people from voting.

Just require the same kinds of identification these folks need to receive basic government services. That'll be a start.

3 posted on 05/03/2005 7:38:32 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Just require the same kinds of identification these folks need to receive basic government services.

And what, pray tell, is that?

4 posted on 05/03/2005 7:40:57 AM PDT by null and void (...that no man, rich or poor, free or bond, shall buy or sell, save he that has the chip...)
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To: null and void
And what, pray tell, is that?

Good question. To be honest, I don't know. I'm one of those that the govt shakes down in order to provide the services to others.

5 posted on 05/03/2005 7:43:21 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: Dog Gone

Bump


6 posted on 05/03/2005 7:44:25 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (If you must filibuster, let the Constitution do the talkin')
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To: Dog Gone
House foes say additional proofs meant to keep some groups away from ballots

Yeah, those that can't legally vote, a majority of whom vote democrat.

7 posted on 05/03/2005 7:46:19 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Dog Gone

Good news BUMP


8 posted on 05/03/2005 7:47:02 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead (To hell with Mexico, its policies, and its leaders)
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To: Dog Gone

It's about DAMN Time.


9 posted on 05/03/2005 7:52:40 AM PDT by Graycliff ("Life is just one darn thing after another; LOVE is just two darn things after each other.")
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To: Dog Gone

GOOD.

Now kill that fraud-prone motor voter law.


10 posted on 05/03/2005 7:57:12 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Graycliff
I agree, that will shake up the democrats in cities like Chicago. With all the fraud, thefts and criminal and terrorist activity in the world today everybody should have some form of picture ID.
11 posted on 05/03/2005 8:02:05 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Dog Gone

I can just hear molly yard saying "I AM OUTRAGED!!"


12 posted on 05/03/2005 8:08:46 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Dealing with liberals? Remember: when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and he loves it.)
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To: Dog Gone; MeekOneGOP

Wild prediction here: if this passes, El Paso, 'the Valley' and Jefferson are "in play" in '06 and '08.


13 posted on 05/03/2005 8:17:22 AM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: Dog Gone

I have yet to understand how requiring ID to vote could be "voter suppression and intimidation".


14 posted on 05/03/2005 8:25:34 AM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Dog Gone

Georgia has the same law now, just signed by Sonny Purdue. The black legislators went into crazed behavior in fighting the legislation. They even walked out of a session in unison because they called the law "racist". Purdue signed it anyway.

The Atlanta Journal Constitution/Gallup did a poll about it and lo and behold 80% of Georgians support showing id to vote.


15 posted on 05/03/2005 8:27:26 AM PDT by Republican Red (DU: ''Reality sucks. That's the problem. We want another reality.'')
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To: BJClinton; Dog Gone; deport; hocndoc; Flyer; Eaker; WOSG; Arrowhead1952; lowbridge; Concerned; ...
Republicans argued the legislation would reduce voter fraud in Texas, but Democrats said the bill is meant to deter minorities and elderly people from voting.

Is the translation here that the DemoKrauts are saying that their voters are too stupid to vote?

Not to mention they're playing the race card here, huh?

Keep Florida 2000 election in mind.


16 posted on 05/03/2005 8:31:52 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Republican Red
It looks like this has a pretty good chance of being signed into law in a couple of months. I hope the trend takes off around the country, although that's a matter of which party controls the state legislatures.

In some states where the Democrats control things, like California, citizens can still put propositions on the ballot to bypass the legislature.

17 posted on 05/03/2005 8:38:33 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Wow! The 'RATS have all the BS talking points down pat:


18 posted on 05/03/2005 8:43:46 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Dog Gone
"It's not about fraud. It's about voter suppression and intimidation," Coleman said.

Garnett knows about intimidation. Just ask his kid's principal.

Police hauled state Representative Garnet Coleman to jail last week on misdemeanor assault charges filed by a Montessori school principal. Just three days before that, a contact called The Insider to complain that the legislator was out of control. Coleman, explained the source, had put himself on the board of the Midtown Reinvestment Zone in July and was using his clout as an elected official to intimidate members.

Source

19 posted on 05/03/2005 8:46:10 AM PDT by Flyer (If I were 8 pixels tall I could fit in my tag line)
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To: Little Pig
"voter suppression and intimidation".

In South Texas there are thousands of dead people and illegal aliens on the voter rolls. They would be supprssed and intimidated. I think of this as Undead Jim Crow Laws.
20 posted on 05/03/2005 8:47:54 AM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: Republican Red
they called the law "racist".

Requiring someone to show proof of identity is racist. Damn, 7-11's all over the country will have to change their ways.
21 posted on 05/03/2005 8:49:09 AM PDT by Graycliff ("Life is just one darn thing after another; LOVE is just two darn things after each other.")
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To: Republican Red
...lo and behold 80% of Georgians support showing id to vote.

They obviously didn't poll the deceased.
22 posted on 05/03/2005 8:49:16 AM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: MeekOneGOP
DemoKrauts

Hey! As a Kraut-Texan I'm offended by that! ;-)
23 posted on 05/03/2005 8:50:56 AM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

...a glimmer of hope?


24 posted on 05/03/2005 9:00:34 AM PDT by estpeter
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To: Graycliff
The racist angle is a typical Georgian ploy. When it rains at my house and doesn't rain in downtown Atlanta the weather is called racist.

Voting bill leads to Democratic walkout at Capitol

Democratic critics compared the effort to the poll taxes, literacy tests and other laws aimed at suppressing black votes during segregation. They said poor and minority voters are more likely to be without photo ID than other voters.

"What's happening today is just an updated form of Jim Crow," said Fort, referring to segregation-era laws that suppressed black voting. "You may be more polite about it ... but we know who's going to be disenfranchised."

In an emotional speech, Sen. Kasim Reed, D-Atlanta, shouted that senators were "stabbing race relations in the heart" by pushing the plan.

25 posted on 05/03/2005 9:00:38 AM PDT by Republican Red (DU: ''Reality sucks. That's the problem. We want another reality.'')
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To: BJClinton
hehe! Whoops! :)

26 posted on 05/03/2005 9:00:59 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Republican Red

(When it rains at my house and doesn't rain in downtown Atlanta the weather is called racist.)

Had no idea. West TX was so racist. I've caught an inch of rain on one side of my place and zip on the other. damn racist rain.


27 posted on 05/03/2005 9:04:36 AM PDT by Graycliff ("Life is just one darn thing after another; LOVE is just two darn things after each other.")
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To: Dog Gone

My mother, age 82, quit driving and gave up her driver's license. She immediately went to the Secretary of State's office and got an official PICTURE ID card to replace it. I don't know of any states that don't have this provision.


28 posted on 05/03/2005 9:13:20 AM PDT by lkside
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To: null and void
"Just require the same kinds of identification these folks need to receive basic government services.

And what, pray tell, is that?"

Jeez, you mean now the gummint is going to demand identification before they have me bend over and grab my ankles?

29 posted on 05/03/2005 9:40:59 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Redbob

Ah. Not 'services' in the animal husbandry sense...


30 posted on 05/03/2005 9:42:12 AM PDT by null and void (...that no man, rich or poor, free or bond, shall buy or sell, save he that has the chip...)
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To: Dog Gone
"We did not hear one shred of evidence that there is voter fraud in this state," Anchia said. "If this was a court of law, this case would be thrown out for lack of evidence."

It seems Rep. Anchia isn't aware of which branch of government he is in. Rep. Anchia, you are in the LEGISLATURE. It is your responsibility to write laws, not try legal cases.

31 posted on 05/03/2005 11:34:00 AM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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