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After 10 years, brain-damaged Buffalo-area fireman makes astounding recovery (Schiavo Parallel?)
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Posted on 05/03/2005 10:37:57 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) - Ten years after a firefighter was left brain-damaged and mostly mute during a 1995 roof collapse, he did something that shocked his family and doctors: He perked up.

"I want to talk to my wife," Donald Herbert said out of the blue Saturday. Staff members of the nursing home where he has lived for more than seven years raced to get Linda Herbert on the telephone.

It was the first of many conversations the 44-year-old patient had with his wife, four sons and other family and friends during a 14-hour stretch, said Herbert's uncle, Simon Manka.

"How long have I been away?" Herbert asked.

"We told him almost 10 years," the uncle said. "He thought it was only three months."

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: New York
KEYWORDS: braindamage; coma; donaldherbert; getoveryourselves; notschaivo; rerun; schiavo
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1 posted on 05/03/2005 10:38:02 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

We never knew the extent of Mrs. Schiavo's injuries. And therein lies the problem. The state put her to death on unverified testimony.


2 posted on 05/03/2005 10:39:56 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I wonder what the liberals are saying now.

Terri Schiavo could have done the same thing. But her husband didn't care. He had her murdered so he could marry his girlfriend (with whom he had 2 kids) and not feel guilty.


3 posted on 05/03/2005 10:42:12 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Praise God ! It probably helped a lot that he was in a nursing home, not in a hospice like Terri was. He probably got actual treatment instead of an expectation of death.
4 posted on 05/03/2005 10:42:37 AM PDT by repentant_pundit (For the Sons and Daughters of Every Planet on the Earth)
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To: Tarheel1

Well she was brain-damaged as well.

I believe the fact that this firefighter recovered was a miracle of God. I know that He could have done the same thing for Terri.


6 posted on 05/03/2005 10:45:01 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: twigs

Oh, you are just a crazy, Taliban-like Christian who still believes in miracles. :) just kidding....I just wanted to start things off.....

God has not forgotten about Terri.


8 posted on 05/03/2005 10:48:26 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (FR is so popular that people repost our thoughts on different message boards! It is an honor!)
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To: wk4bush2004
I believe the fact that this firefighter recovered was a miracle of God. I know that He could have done the same thing for Terri

He didn't. I guess he hated Terri.

9 posted on 05/03/2005 10:49:21 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

MS couldn't afford to have his wife live. He wanted her dead and successfully got the judicial system to comply with the murder his wife.


10 posted on 05/03/2005 10:52:09 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: wk4bush2004
I know that He could have done the same thing for Terri.

Of course, it would have helped, maybe just a little, if she'd been attended by physicians and nurses actually trying to make her well...

11 posted on 05/03/2005 10:52:09 AM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: shaitan
Well, actually, not all of the brain scans that COULD have been done were done. And the doctor relied upon by the judge is a known advocate of euthanasia.

So there you go.

12 posted on 05/03/2005 10:52:16 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: shaitan; Admin Moderator

Oooh. And I see you're a NEWBIE, too. How interesting. (Troll alert?)


13 posted on 05/03/2005 10:53:33 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
God bless his wife for staying faithful. May their testimony unravel many Lamestream media principalities in the Lord Jesus Christ's name, I pray.
14 posted on 05/03/2005 10:57:53 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: shaitan
Her EEG was flat. A skull full of spinal fluid can not miraculously grow back in to a functioning brain.

Lies, Lies and more lies.

15 posted on 05/03/2005 10:59:13 AM PDT by blueriver
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To: repentant_pundit

I've told my husband that if he EVER puts me in a hospice for any reason, I will come back and haunt him!


16 posted on 05/03/2005 10:59:40 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Oooh. And I see you're a NEWBIE, too. How interesting. (Troll alert?)

Based on this person's one other post, I'd have to agree.

17 posted on 05/03/2005 10:59:42 AM PDT by Egon (It's not that I'm apathetic-- I just really don't care.)
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To: Tarheel1
Do we really know this? I'm not a doctor and don't pretend to be. How different were the injuries?

Terri, at one time, was walking with assistance, before Mr. Schiavo got his lawsuit money. No telling where she would've been today had he continued the treatment she was supposed to get.

This fireman has probably been getting the rehab he needed.

18 posted on 05/03/2005 11:01:32 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: shaitan

" A skull full of spinal fluid "

We all have spinal fluid in our brains .


19 posted on 05/03/2005 11:02:38 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: wk4bush2004
He could of but He didn't. Accept it.

I know that He could have done the same thing for Terri.

20 posted on 05/03/2005 11:04:06 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Slyfox

She's dead. No point continuing the lies.


21 posted on 05/03/2005 11:04:52 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Phantom Lord

No. I guess it may seem like that to those without faith who listen to us talk. We do believe in miracles, but it doesn't follow that God only does them to those He loves and doesn't to those He doesn't. If that was the case, then we would have the control that only God has. We would all be little gods. There's lots of mysteries about our God and sometimes all of us approach them like a bull in a china shop. I'm not trying to start a theological thread here, but I didn't want the mistaken impression to stand. I think a lot of people of faith too often deal with these mysteries too lightly. Myself included.


22 posted on 05/03/2005 11:05:22 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Recovering_Democrat

parallel? I can think of one glaring difference.


23 posted on 05/03/2005 11:06:13 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: Phantom Lord; ecurbh; Ramius

*snort* ;~D


26 posted on 05/03/2005 11:09:15 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Recovering_Democrat
We only think this sman is talking. Actually, it's just the reflexive firing of neurons that, to the untrained eye, make him seem conscious. For that matter, the reporter who wrote this story only seems conscious, and is actually just a sort of biological machine whose "consciousness" is nothing more than some sparks of electricity amidst an ocean of grey matter. That goes for most readers as well. Only the Party's Ministry of Consciousness can tell who has authentic personhood, and who is just a bio-bot. You'd be surprised how many people aren't actually people at all.
27 posted on 05/03/2005 11:09:51 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Puddleglum

Thanks for clearing that up. I mean, if I really am capable of understanding what your neurons seem to be trying to communicate, albeit unconciously.


28 posted on 05/03/2005 11:12:01 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: DManA

What lies? I read the medical reports.


29 posted on 05/03/2005 11:12:45 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Puddleglum
Actually, it's just the reflexive firing of neurons that, to the untrained eye, make him seem conscious.

Sort of like John sKerry??

30 posted on 05/03/2005 11:13:51 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: Saundra Duffy; Fam4Bush

ping!


31 posted on 05/03/2005 11:14:15 AM PDT by PistolPaknMama (Will work for cool tag line.)
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To: Tarheel1

Terri was able to walk with assistance in between those parallel bar-like things they have in rehab settings. Go to the original Terri website. You may have to scoot around it a bit.


32 posted on 05/03/2005 11:16:17 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: PistolPaknMama

Terri's quality of life could have been greatly improved if only the HINO had been a decent human being. I miss her.


33 posted on 05/03/2005 11:16:24 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Terri Schindler was murdered - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: Puddleglum

LOL!


34 posted on 05/03/2005 11:20:46 AM PDT by American Quilter
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To: DManA

I have. God has a plan for everyone.


35 posted on 05/03/2005 11:22:00 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: shaitan

Without a doubt, were a story to be posted about a woman fainting from the heat during an opera performance, the first response would be "good thing she wasn't married to Michael Schiavo".


36 posted on 05/03/2005 11:22:01 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Phantom Lord

God doesn't hate anybody.


37 posted on 05/03/2005 11:22:31 AM PDT by wk4bush2004
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To: wk4bush2004
God doesn't hate anybody.

When ever an athlete in an individual sport, or a team wins a major championship they always thank God and/or Jesus.

Just once I would like to see them blame God and claim he was rooting for the other team.

38 posted on 05/03/2005 11:24:40 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: shaitan
Actually, we pretty well knew the extent of her injuries. Nothing but her brainstem was left. Her EEG was flat. A skull full of spinal fluid can not miraculously grow back in to a functioning brain. There was no hope.

There you go again, Shaitan, flapping your neurons like it was something special. The Party's Ministers are on to you, silly devil-named lad.

39 posted on 05/03/2005 11:25:45 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: dmz
Without a doubt, were a story to be posted about a woman fainting from the heat during an opera performance, the first response would be "good thing she wasn't married to Michael Schiavo".
And, wouldn't it be true?
susie
40 posted on 05/03/2005 11:31:28 AM PDT by brytlea (Yes, there are Republican teachers...)
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To: brytlea

Perhaps, but not from the standpoint most around here take. It is the rush to equate every brain damaged person who is still living to Terri has become a bit overwrought.


41 posted on 05/03/2005 11:37:06 AM PDT by dmz
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To: shaitan
If not agreeing with your particular world view makes me a troll, then I guess that's what I am.

Not on its face. I was going more by your other post where you referred to "the conservatives" as a group to which you don't belong, as well as your observation that we are generally laughably hypocritical.

That would imply that you're a troll.

I believe that the government should not make medical decisions for the indivual, period.

I tend to agree. So why was it OK for a judge to in Ms. Schiavo's case? Because he happened to agree with your world view?

42 posted on 05/03/2005 11:52:50 AM PDT by Egon (It's not that I'm apathetic-- I just really don't care.)
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To: Slyfox; wk4bush2004

Terri, at one time, was walking with assistance, before Mr. Schiavo got his lawsuit money. No telling where she would've been today had he continued the treatment she was supposed to get."

Give me a break. You have any proof of the fact that after her injury she was walking with help but they stopped her rehab and she went into a PVS? I have heard the most absurd stories ever on this site when it comes to Terri. I hope you don't honestly belive this.


43 posted on 05/03/2005 1:03:36 PM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: Saundra Duffy
if only the HINO had been a decent human being.

Well as you and I, along with a few others, know the world is full of PINO's who are not decent human beings.

PINO=People In Name Only :-)

44 posted on 05/03/2005 3:51:06 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama (Will work for cool tag line.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Dr. Rose Lynn Sherr of New York University Medical Center said when patients recover from brain injuries, they usually do so within two or three years.
"It's almost unheard of after 10 years," she said, "but sometimes things do happen and people suddenly improve and we don't understand why."

Sounds like a good idea to try to find out why such patients recover, instead of being shocked when it happens.

45 posted on 05/03/2005 4:59:12 PM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: syriacus
Father Baker Manor
46 posted on 05/03/2005 5:08:06 PM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: Puddleglum
We only think this sman is talking. Actually, it's just the reflexive firing of neurons that, to the untrained eye, make him seem conscious. For that matter, the reporter who wrote this story only seems conscious, and is actually just a sort of biological machine whose "consciousness" is nothing more than some sparks of electricity amidst an ocean of grey matter.,etc.

LOL. Great use of sarcasm

47 posted on 05/03/2005 5:09:58 PM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: syriacus

A little info on the original Father Baker
Monsignor Nelson Henry Baker, familiarly known as "Father Baker," was born on February 16, 1841 in Buffalo, New York, USA. His father was Lutheran, his mother Catholic. After his early education in public schools, he went into business. In 1868, he resumed his education at Canisius College, Buffalo, as one of its first students. He entered Our Lady of Angels Seminary at Niagara University, New York, in 1870, and was ordained a diocesan priest on March 19, 1876.

For five years he served as Assistant Pastor at Lackawanna, then as curate in Corning, New York (then part of the Buffalo Diocese). In 1882, he was recalled to Lackawanna as Superintendent of the Institution destined to become Our Lady of Victory Homes of Charity, with an orphanage, industrial school, home for infants, facilities for unwed mothers, and maternity hospital. Father Baker was named Vicar General of the Buffalo Diocese in 1902, a Domestic Prelate in 1905, and later raised to the rank of Prothonotary Apostolic. He promoted devotion to the Eucharist and Our Lady of Victory. He built the Basilica of Our Lady of Victory, which was consecrated in 1926. Father Baker administered the Basilica Parish with the adjacent homes of Charity, for the rehabilitation of countless underprivileged men, women and children, until late in life. Father Baker died on July 29, 1936 in Lackawanna, New York.

In the Summer of 1987, the Congregation for the Causes of the Saints approved the initiation of Father Baker's cause and confirmed the title "Servant of God - Nelson Baker."


Click logo for more information on Baker Victory Services

48 posted on 05/03/2005 5:31:00 PM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: OneTimeLurker
Well, OneTimeLurker, you go back and read ALL of the info on the case and come back and give me:

Then, we can have a discussion about it.

49 posted on 05/03/2005 8:51:48 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Slyfox

I think the burden is on you. Why don't you back up your claim at least that she was walking on her own at some point after her accident. I also noticed you put 'accident' in quotes. Did Michael cause her accident in your mind.


50 posted on 05/03/2005 10:41:20 PM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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