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Posted on 05/03/2005 9:30:56 PM PDT by smoothsailing
(Stopping illegals) ... & replicating success
Wednesday, May 4, 2005
The lack of a shot heard 'round the world helped make the Minuteman Project successful in Arizona and inviting to California.
The Minuteman Project is a citizens' neighborhood watch spotlighting illegal immigration. It describes itself as "Americans doing the jobs our government won't do. Operating within the law to support enforcement of the law."
In April, roughly 1,000 volunteers kept a lookout for suspicious activity along a 23-mile sliver of sovereign soil bordering Mexico. It had been used by untold numbers of illegal aliens to sneak into America.
The citizen-patriots reported suspicious activity emanating from south of the border to the Border Patrol. And the absence of violence and the virtual elimination of illegal immigration during their watch impressed many Californians including Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.
An organization of citizens in California now is planning to replicate the Minuteman Project in the Golden State in August.
President George W. Bush, who cannot find the will to police the Mexican border, still found the time to label them "vigilantes." But the average volunteer was age 40 and more likely to be armed with a lawn chair, a set of binoculars and his cell phone than a gun. Mr. Bush would have been more accurate to call his fellow Americans "irregulars."
Or, ideally, a thousand points of light.
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If we could just explain to people in other states what it's like to live in ones that have been "invaded," America would be united behind stopping illegal immigration.
I really like the reference to "a thousand points of light".For folks too young to remember it was a term used often by the first President Bush to represent volunteer service to your community or your country.
A not too subtle way of reminding the current President Bush of what a "neighborhood watch" can accomplish.
...A thousand points of light on the border.....apparently we need a million to "get the point" across to the "missing in action" government......
It's not a matter of finding the will. It's a matter of finding the money and man power. Between 1990 and 2000, the U.S. increased the number of Border Patrol Agents from 3,600 to 10,000. During that same period illegal immigration rose by 5.5. million. The Minuteman Project appears to have been successful in thwarting illegal entry. The combination of citizen observers, media attention, and increased border agents (Dubya added border agents in April to deter MMP members from acting outside the law) has apparently been successful in reducing illegal entry in Arizona.
People like myself wonder what the motivations of the MMP members are, but if they can control themselves and assist in border apprehensions, motivations are a lesser concern.
I didn't write any such thing, and please don't respond to me until you learn to read. I made a statement of facts. If you have a problem with facts then either get used to Freepers treating you like a retard, or address the facts. I'll repeat the facts because I know you are not very bright...Between 1990 and 2000, the U.S. increased the number of Border Patrol Agents from 3,600 to 10,000. During that same period illegal immigration rose by 5.5. million. Have a nice day.
...copy muzzle flashes!....
copy arrests and murder charges. Wouldn't that suck? Being charged with murder of non-citizens. That would make one a big fan of the La Nuestra Familia.
It most certainly is a matter of political will! You seem to think that 10,000 Border Patrol Agents is a lot? There are just short of 40,000 cops in New York City. I think our 6000 miles of border deserve a protective force of at least that size particularly since it is clear that the current force is woefully inadequate.
Since 9/11, the TSA went from 0 to 44,000 baggage screeners in 4 short years. In that same period, the Administration and Congress has managed to only grow the Border Patrol by maybe 1500 people. If it was possible to hire and train 44,000 baggage screeners then it should have been possible to do a little better with the Border Patrol. In a considerably shorter time period we have managed to train a 150,000 people for the Iraqi Army. Growing the Border Patrol is clearly a matter of will and we have not seen it.
I recently received a letter from my Senator saying that we only have the capability of training about 500 Border Patrol Agents per year. To me that is just a matter of will. We have military bases in mothballs; let's use them.
The President clearly lacks that will. Congress authorized 2000 agents next year and he budgeted a measly 210. You can say that is about money but he had no difficulty finding a billion dollars to send to Indonesia for the Tsunami. I don't mind helping the rest of the world but protecting America has to come first. If money is an issue how about eliminating the National Endowment for the Arts rather than increasing its budget?
I don't know if anyone saw yesterday's "Law & Order SVU." I stopped watching after ten minutes when the moaning and groaning started over the wonderful "undocumented" something or other. In the past, I've seen an offensive pro-illegal alien bias in several L&O shows. Perhaps in the end of this show they were deported - but I doubt it.
I believe we should refer to them as such.
The "government" likes to refer to illegal aliens as "people coming across the border to do job that the American people wont do".
I think we should refer to the volunteer border patrol as "people going to the border to do jobs that the American government wont do"
Do you have a source for that? It seems I heard something awhile ago that indicated there's nothing close to 10000 border patrol agents.
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!
Be Ever Vigilant!
Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!
At the same exact time as agents rounded up top ms-13 leaders. I don't think it was the MMP he was worried about stirring up trouble.
Perhaps then it was both groups. Good to hear one on your side admit something is being done to stop MS13. Probably an accident.
I don't know what world you live in but in the real world The President doesn't authorize budgets. Congress does. try again.
If Dubya could get Congress to pay for more border agents it would be done. If your side could convince a majority of voters to defend the border it would be done. Do you ever question why pipsqueek congressmen like Tancredo are your only allies? Do you ever stop and question why if a majority of Americans want border control they keep on voting for the OBL Senators?
In December of 2004, Congress passed the 911 Security Bill which authorized (but did not budget or appropriate which are the next steps in the process) the hiring of 10,000 new Border Patrol Agents in increments of 2000 per year for 5 years beginning in 2006. At the time President Bush praised that bill.
In February of 2005, barely two months after praising the previous bill, President Bush submitted his "proposed budget" (and, yes, Presidents do PROPOSE budgets in the real world) and he only requested funding for 210 of the authorized 2000 agents.
For this he has received bipartisan criticism in both the House and the Senate and both chambers have added back funding to the Budget for the full 2000 agents. These budgets have been passed and I believe a final Budget Resolution has been agreed to recently in Joint House Senate Conference which, despite Dubya's efforts to keep the border patrol weak includes funds for 2000 new agents in 2006.
Now that the budget has been set, the final step will be for Congress to actually appropriate funds. That will happen as part of the Appropriations process which typically takes place in late fall. Appropriations don't always match the budget but it appears that we are on the right track.
As a further stick in Dubya's eye regarding the Border Patrol funding issue, as part of the Iraq War Supplemental Funding Bill which has just been finalized in Joint House Senate Committee yesterday and which will likely be passed in final form by the House this week and the Senate next week, the Congress appropriated funds to hire about 500 new Border Patrol Agents and 150 new ICE Agents this year (2005). I think this amendment by Robert Byrd and its success took everybody who follows this issue by surprise. The President certainly did not request this increase in Border Patrol funding.
In light of the facts, your assertion that, "If Dubya could get Congress to pay for more border agents it would be done" does not stand up. Congress wants them; Dubya does not! Try again!
Well, considering it was the aclu, ms-13, vicente fox and friends making all the threats, I'd say the feds concluded that they were the threat.
I'm not going to argue with you about who writes budgets. If you want to believe President Bush can submit a budget that Congress is incapable of altering then why should I bother to correct you.
I have proven your assertions false, but you are not required to be a man and admit your error.
I have proven your assertions false, but you are not required to be a man and admit your error.
My original assertion was: The President clearly lacks that will. Congress authorized 2000 agents next year and he budgeted a measly 210.
You have not offered an iota of proof that in anyway refutes that assertion except this ridiculous statement: If Dubya could get Congress to pay for more border agents it would be done
In my last post I shredded that argument with the actual facts about the interaction between President Bush and Congress and it is Bush that is asking for less and Congress that is demanding more border patrol agents.