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Moscow defends Soviet occupation
BBC ^ | 4 May, 2005

Posted on 05/04/2005 3:40:19 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: j23

Should we be grateful to them that they didn't want to kill us off with cyclon B, but only to turn us into slave labourers?===

Slaves are those who work on cotton fields and doesn't receive payment but just food and shelter. Slave women comfort master men.

Are those happened especcially second thing? OR maybe you little exaggarated "slave" thing?


21 posted on 05/05/2005 2:44:16 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: j23

You're damn right. The biggest mistake of Truman administration was that they didn't nuke Russia soon enough - i.e. before the Russians could counterattack. This is not a joke - I'm dead serious.===

Truman was wise man. Why to make mortal enemy from nation which never did nothing wrong to America.

I'm interested does your logic work in opposite direction?


22 posted on 05/05/2005 2:48:10 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

Thanks for your input comrade Ivan :)


23 posted on 05/05/2005 2:55:15 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: GarySpFc

What do you think about this one article Gary ?


24 posted on 05/05/2005 2:59:32 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Thanks for your input comrade Ivan :)==

Greg if some people here tell stupid thing out of maybe patetism or something like this why not to laugh about it?:))

If someone tell serious that poles was "slaves" of russian masters. Then I conclude there are many poles of russian decent in Poland today. Am I right?

They say there are lot of germans of russian decent in Germany after so many years of occupation.


25 posted on 05/05/2005 3:03:25 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: namsman

We had the perfect instrument in the perfect place to have imposed Pax Americana over the whole world. He wavered. ==

He was moral man. And wise at same time. The so-called dirty-radioactive bomb was already known at those time. Soviet Union has nuclier reactor worked in 1943.

But any way I have question for you. Can you explain one very controvertual fact.

WHY academician Andrei Sakharov who was dissident against soviet regime at same time was father of soviet thermonuclier bomb? Why he tried his best mind and abilities to create such weapon? And he wasn't only one.
Same way academician Korolev - the father of missile technology of Soviet Union.
Why all them who opossed soviet regime helped to reach paritet with United States for same regime?


26 posted on 05/05/2005 3:12:43 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
" there are many poles of russian decent in Poland today "

I have already told you that Russians are a lost Polish tribe. They just have to see the real wisdom once again. We must re-educate you.
27 posted on 05/05/2005 3:14:51 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

I have already told you that Russians are a lost Polish tribe. ==

I would rather agree if you say that we all polacks and russians form 2 lost slavic tribes.


28 posted on 05/05/2005 3:18:48 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: GarySpFc
Sure that would have taken out a part of communism. However, when you consider Russia never attacked America, and the result would have been millions of murdered innocent Russians your statement is depraved.

Do you think that nuking Japan was alright? If yes, then why nuking SU would be wrong in your opinion? (I hope that not because Stalin was there :-)))))) What is the difference?
29 posted on 05/05/2005 4:13:29 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: RusIvan
I would rather agree if you say that we all polacks and russians form 2 lost slavic tribes.

Yep and Ukrainians are “border people” cause they were lost on the border. :-)
30 posted on 05/05/2005 4:19:30 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: Grzegorz 246
What do you think about this one article Gary ?

Clearly there was wrong on all sides, but you only see your own side.
31 posted on 05/05/2005 4:51:16 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Lukasz
Do you think that nuking Japan was alright? If yes, then why nuking SU would be wrong in your opinion? (I hope that not because Stalin was there :-)))))) What is the difference?

Yes, nuking Japan was right, because they attacked America.
32 posted on 05/05/2005 4:53:46 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Lukasz
Do you think that nuking Japan was alright? If yes, then why nuking SU would be wrong in your opinion? (I hope that not because Stalin was there :-)))))) What is the difference?

Yes, nuking Japan was right, because they attacked America.
33 posted on 05/05/2005 4:54:57 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc
What about innocent Japanese civilians, why they are less innocent than Russians? They didn’t attacked anybody.

Second question more important, Do you think that Poland (if we would have nukes in that times) should nuke for example Moscow and Staliningrad after Soviet Union attack as in 1939 and again after WWII?
34 posted on 05/05/2005 5:00:34 AM PDT by Lukasz
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To: GarySpFc

Why is it depraved? Churchill was the one who said an Iron Curtain was descending upon Europe. The USSR had occupied Eastern Europe, and the realization that Hitler should have been stopped after he invaded Austria was still fresh.

Had we nuked Russia, Europe would have been almost twice the continent that it is today from a GDP standpoint. The cold war cost lives too.

Patton was dead right. He continues to be, given the fact that Russia continues to cost us, especially in the Middle East.

When Hitler died, the war wasn't over. We just got tired of fighting it, and Eisenhower was more European than American by the time the war ended.


35 posted on 05/05/2005 5:21:13 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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To: RusIvan

I don't exaggerate. The problem is that you are too literal. Your definition of slavery is too narrow. Some slaves were given a fair amount of personal freedom by their masters (not all slaves worked in cotton fields and not all women were raped). But their status as slaves did not change - heard about Dred Scott case? Some slaves were even quite affluent people, but they were stiil at the mercy of their masters. Their favour could have been withdrawn at any moment. The Czechs and Slovaks thought that they were free, when all of a sudden in 1968 it turned out that they were wrong. They just forgot to ask their masters permission to do with their country what they liked. Slavery is a permanent state - when your independence is taken away from you, you're a slave. Whether you work on a cotton field or not is irrelevant.


36 posted on 05/05/2005 7:50:00 AM PDT by j23
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To: Tailgunner Joe

When the Soviets invaded the Baltic States, the decision for many male Latvians, Estonians, and Lithuanians was a simple one---be once again under Russian control or join the Germany army and fight alongside them against Stalin and his troops.


37 posted on 05/05/2005 7:54:39 AM PDT by toddlintown (Can I quote you?)
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To: RusIvan; Grzegorz 246

"I have already told you that Russians are a lost Polish tribe. ==

I would rather agree if you say that we all polacks and russians form 2 lost slavic tribes."


How about this--Poles and Russians are from the lost Tribes of Israel -:)))))) Sounds cool -:))))



38 posted on 05/05/2005 8:00:10 AM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: j23

Your definition of slavery is too narrow. Some slaves were given a fair amount of personal freedom by their masters (not all slaves worked in cotton fields and not all women were raped). ==

My definition is based on enciclopedia.

Slavery is a permanent state - when your independence is taken away from you, you're a slave. ==

OK let use your definition above. I have question.

Does it mean that all southerners in United States are slaves?
According your definition the independence of Southern States was taken away from them as result of Civil War 1965.
Then they are slaves. The victors from North are masters.


39 posted on 05/05/2005 8:03:33 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
Ok, so maybe they weren't slaves. They were merely oppressed.
40 posted on 05/05/2005 8:04:40 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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