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Thomas Sowell: Black rednecks and white liberals
TownHall ^ | May 5, 2005 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 05/05/2005 4:47:23 AM PDT by Tolik

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To: Cornpone
Years, ago, in a Reader's Digest, iirc, they had an article on the "British" emigration to the US.
With an accompanying map w/ arrows, from/to.

FWIW.

And, I believe the The History Channel had something on the English recruiting "thugs" to takeover parts of the
rural South during the revolution.

21 posted on 05/05/2005 5:36:03 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: SouthernFreebird
You must have northern blood in you, all arrogance and condescension.

Lighten up. BTW, my mother was from Valdosta, GA, my father from Boerne, TX, and I was hatched in Jackson, MS.

22 posted on 05/05/2005 5:38:56 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: cyborg
"I am guessing the freeper was being sarcastic.."

Maybe, but it was funny!

23 posted on 05/05/2005 5:48:16 AM PDT by Mr_Peter
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To: mikegi

I am a flyover country redneck and proud of it.


24 posted on 05/05/2005 5:49:42 AM PDT by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan

LOL!


25 posted on 05/05/2005 5:56:06 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (Be nice, I'm new here)
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To: cyborg

I've been to Trinidad, and I was struck by that same similarity that you mentioned. It was a bit muddied, as I was there with a church group, and we were interfacing with hindus primarily, and some muslims, so my cultural perceptions were more framed within the paradigm of God, but I did notice it nonetheless.


26 posted on 05/05/2005 6:02:16 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (...a sheep in wolf's clothing)
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To: ovrtaxt

Most every black Trini knows black pudding and callaloo, all creole cooking that people think comes from blacks and indians but is really Scotch-Irish food tweaked with caribe seasonings. I'm happy about people doing mission work there :-)


27 posted on 05/05/2005 6:10:07 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Tolik
Black Rednecks

I use the term "trash". There are white trash and black trash cultures. They are both characterized by high crime, absent fathers...and loud TVs blaring 24/7.

28 posted on 05/05/2005 6:13:57 AM PDT by Drawsing (Congress doesn't need to see the light...they just need to feel the heat..Ronald Reagan)
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To: mikegi

I'm glad to hear that. I think that Jackson and his goons dont want this type of information to get out to the black population because their career(s) would be over. I know that there are plenty of blacks who exhibit well-adjusted behavior. I was just focusing on those who continue to dwell on the "blacks as victims" rhetoric.


29 posted on 05/05/2005 6:36:56 AM PDT by Jeffery T.
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To: Tolik

Bump for later purchase of book.


30 posted on 05/05/2005 7:12:59 AM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: Jeffery T.
I'm glad to hear that. I think that Jackson and his goons dont want this type of information to get out to the black population because their career(s) would be over. I know that there are plenty of blacks who exhibit well-adjusted behavior. I was just focusing on those who continue to dwell on the "blacks as victims" rhetoric.

The problem is that the freak show, aka the MSM, only focus on things that advance their agenda. Of course, I'm not minimizing the terrible problems in the black population. A quick look at the statistics shows that the average black person is six times more likely to be murdered than other groups (and 90+% of those murders are black-on-black violence).

31 posted on 05/05/2005 7:16:11 AM PDT by mikegi
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To: Tolik
I don't know if it makes its way into the book, but a scholar at Yale claimed several years ago that there are great similarities between gospel and Ulster-Scots hymns. The Scotsman had a report on it here.

This whole concept of cultural exchange and persistence is fascinating.

32 posted on 05/05/2005 7:20:11 AM PDT by untenured
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To: Tolik
Bravo! The whole point is that white liberals praise and excuse in Blacks what they stridently and loudly condemn in poor whites. Is there a better formula for creating bitterness and jealousy than condemning one party for something and then turning right around and praising that same quality in another???

Violence, "pirate English" ("I be"), emotional Fundamentalist religion (nothing wrong with that, btw!), dysfunctional families, and whacked out Birch Society-type conspiracy theories ("Jewish doctors invented AIDS!") are all considered "revolutionary" and "leftist" among Blacks while being labelled the exact opposite among poor whites.

Blacks and poor Southern whites are two people divided by a single culture.

33 posted on 05/05/2005 7:21:18 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Build the Temple! Make Bobby Fischer watch!!!)
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To: Tolik

I used to have a lot of respect for Thomas Sowell, in fact I have some of his books. This article sounds like he is just another Yankee that hates anything Southern and blames
Southerners for all the woes of blacks. Doesen't sound like much of a conservative to me any more!


34 posted on 05/05/2005 7:38:26 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Tolik

I forgot to mention the flip-side of the same coin: partisans of white Southern culture who will condemn Mr. Sowell because they exalt and defend among Sothern whites what they condemn in Blacks--liberals in reverse!


35 posted on 05/05/2005 7:42:04 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Build the Temple! Make Bobby Fischer watch!!!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Very funny coming on the heels of post# 34.


36 posted on 05/05/2005 7:43:39 AM PDT by eyespysomething (hmmm....)
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To: antisocial
I used to have a lot of respect for Thomas Sowell, in fact I have some of his books. This article sounds like he is just another Yankee that hates anything Southern and blames Southerners for all the woes of blacks. Doesen't sound like much of a conservative to me any more!

Translation: "It's okay for Southern whites [which I am, btw] to behave like ghetto Blacks because that is their quaint culture; but Blacks who behave like rednecks are leftist enemies of all that is good and pure in the world."

Somebody sounds like a liberal here, but it ain't Mr. Sowell.

37 posted on 05/05/2005 7:50:32 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Build the Temple! Make Bobby Fischer watch!!!)
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To: cyborg

It's funny you say that, I live in Dorchester, MA which is what many people consider "South Boston" even though it is a seperate part of the city.

Dorchester is probably one of the most Irish neighborhoods in the country - though it is pretty diverse, pretty much every white person here identifies themself as Irish (even if they aren't).

Currently, there are thousands of Irish immigrants in this part of the city, most of them are illegals who plan on staying only a few years. Most of them are poorly or moderately educated farm boys from tiny towns in Dingle, Kerry or Donegal.

Anyway, there is definitely a subtle backlash against the Irish Guys in my neighborhood. They are all nice guys, for the most part, but they do carry on like 16 year olds when a good number of them are over 30.

I've heard them referred to as Green N****rs by people who would never use that word to insult a black person, and who have parents or grandparents who come from the old sod themselves.

It exemplifies how there is a lot more than race behind people's prejudices.


38 posted on 05/05/2005 8:08:55 AM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Conservomax; untenured

Thanks for more info.

Fascinating!


39 posted on 05/05/2005 8:40:09 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

Mr. Sowell is absolutely right! I have an old engraving from 1840 that shows an English peasant girl talking to a man on horseback. The caption at the bottom of the print is "Who Axed You?".


40 posted on 05/05/2005 8:44:50 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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