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New Rule to Open National Forest to Roads
Yahoo - AP ^ | 05/05/05 | JOHN HEILPRIN

Posted on 05/05/2005 8:34:54 AM PDT by nypokerface

WASHINGTON - Governors are being given 18 months to change the Bush administration's plan to open up to 58.5 million acres of remote national forestland to road building, timbering and other commercial activity.

In one of its biggest environmental decisions, the administration will let governors petition for more or fewer restrictions against developing nearly a third of the 191 million acres of national forests, according to briefing documents obtained by The Associated Press.

The U.S. Forest Service planned to announce the new "roadless" rule later Thursday. It replaces one that former President Clinton had put in place little more than a week before leaving office in January 2001. Clinton's regulation blocked road construction as a way to prevent logging, mining and other industry activities in the backcountry.

The Forest Service, which will review and have final say over the petitions, calls the new process voluntary. "If a governor does not want to propose changes ... then no petition need be submitted," the agency says in the documents.

As much as 34.3 million acres could be immediately opened to road construction if governors submit no petitions or they are rejected, the Forest Service estimates.

The other 24.2 million acres currently are off-limits to road building under existing forest management plans. But environmentalists say the new rule would let the administration rewrite those plans to lift restrictions against development on most of that forestland.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bush43; environment; logging; nationalforests; roadbuilding; timber

1 posted on 05/05/2005 8:34:54 AM PDT by nypokerface
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To: nypokerface

I wish environmentalists would do something useful. Like get a job on a road-building crew. An honest days work for an honest day's pay. That's what they need to experience.


2 posted on 05/05/2005 8:39:09 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: nypokerface

Quite a few years ago in Colorado, many 4WD roads were closed because of irresponsible drivers. If opening the forest to road construction brings back the mass wasting of pristine forest, then I say keep them closed.


3 posted on 05/05/2005 8:40:30 AM PDT by whipitgood (Public schools have replaced a biblical moral code with pragmatism. Civilization, beware!)
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To: samtheman

Ahhh..the life of a lumber jack..


4 posted on 05/05/2005 8:41:51 AM PDT by Skeeve14 (De Opresso Liber)
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To: nypokerface

Stoke of the pen, law of the land...kinda cool


5 posted on 05/05/2005 8:42:26 AM PDT by Thoreau
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To: Skeeve14

Really. They should be flapping their jacks, not their jaws.


6 posted on 05/05/2005 8:43:23 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: nypokerface

Most of the roads closed as part of the RAOR were so lightly travelled to begin with that they were defacto hiking and riding trails. All RAOR did was impoverish the people living in the remotest areas of the country.


7 posted on 05/05/2005 9:27:43 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: nypokerface
Don't just build roads. Parcell it out and sell it off. There's no constitutional authority for owning natioanl forests (AFAIK). BEsides the money's made by selling the lands could balance the budget and pay off the debt.

Alternately, but not as favored, start logging all the national forests. Those trees are worth money and we could use the cash to pay off the debt or to reduce taxes.

8 posted on 05/05/2005 9:31:36 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: samtheman

"I wish environmentalists would do something useful. Like get a job on a road-building crew. An honest days work for an honest day's pay. That's what they need to experience.'

ping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


9 posted on 05/05/2005 9:32:15 AM PDT by countrydummy
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To: John O

That's right, besides private land is usually better cared for than publoic anyway


10 posted on 05/05/2005 9:32:39 AM PDT by piceapungens
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To: farmfriend


11 posted on 05/05/2005 9:54:17 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: nypokerface; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

List of Ping lists

12 posted on 05/05/2005 4:03:28 PM PDT by farmfriend (Send in the Posse)
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To: nypokerface; 1Old Pro; aardvark1; a_federalist; abner; alaskanfan; alloysteel; alfons; ...
"Quite a few years ago in Colorado, many 4WD roads were closed because of irresponsible drivers."

What did they do, drive on them?

"If opening the forest to road construction brings back the mass wasting of pristine forest, then I say keep them closed."

Forests need thinning. Pristine = ready to burn to the ground. - My land is ajacent to the national forest; I want 2/3 of the trees removed to preserve the rest. Thank God you have nothing to say about it. Klinton's forest rules cost us more lumber in fires than we had used for construction or paper products since the country was first occupied.

13 posted on 05/05/2005 5:12:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: editor-surveyor

Amen. And if humans can't enjoy the bounty of the earth that belongs to them, then what's the point?

You gotta go where you wanna go and do what you wanna do.


14 posted on 05/05/2005 5:16:50 PM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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To: editor-surveyor
Way to tell em!

I totally agree with you!

We live adjacent to a National Forest, too, and if they spent as much time controlling all the beetle kill and thinning the forests to make them healtheir as they do blocking little-traveled trails to 4-wheelers......we'd ALL be alot better off!

15 posted on 05/05/2005 5:28:06 PM PDT by moondoggie
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To: nypokerface

OMG.

This is awful.


16 posted on 05/05/2005 5:34:59 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: whipitgood

I hunt elk in those so-called "printine forests". The Forest Circus is guilty of massive mis-management of our natural resources.

I hunt down by Tin Cup, Colorado. I can tell you from vast experience in the woods that they are a tinderbox waiting to explode. We MUST log our forests in order to keep them. I'm afraid of a fire down there, it would burn from Gunnison to Vail with no way to stop it. The roads have been closed and tank trapped, so there is no way in to fight the fires.

The timber where we hunt is so thick in places you can't get through it. Ever been in the black timber? There are areas so overgrown up there even the elk avoid it. Perfect habitat for massive forest fires.

(Rant over, no personal attack intended, just making a point).


17 posted on 05/05/2005 7:37:56 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: whipitgood

"Pristine forests" ? ? ? ? ?

All of North America was fire managed by the indigenous peoples. P.S. Martin wrote about this at length.


18 posted on 05/05/2005 8:12:08 PM PDT by GladesGuru
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To: Thoreau

"Stroke of the pen" if I remember correctly.


19 posted on 05/05/2005 8:13:18 PM PDT by GladesGuru
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To: passionfruit

Pingaroonie. Get that road re-opened, gal!


20 posted on 05/05/2005 11:16:20 PM PDT by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: editor-surveyor

BTTT!!!!!!


21 posted on 05/06/2005 3:07:56 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: farmfriend

BTT!!!!!!


22 posted on 05/06/2005 3:09:42 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: countrydummy; editor-surveyor; Carry_Okie; hellinahandcart

Still not what I'd like to see, but better than what we had under His Slickness.


23 posted on 05/06/2005 3:51:31 AM PDT by sauropod (De gustibus non est disputandum)
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To: holyscroller

Good to "see" ya around!


24 posted on 05/06/2005 3:52:54 AM PDT by sauropod (De gustibus non est disputandum)
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To: GladesGuru
"Stroke of the pen" if I remember correctly.

Yes, Thank you!

regards,
-Lance

25 posted on 05/06/2005 4:25:39 AM PDT by Thoreau
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To: editor-surveyor

More logging ~ NOW!


26 posted on 05/06/2005 9:22:16 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Klinton's forest rules cost us more lumber in fires than we had used for construction or paper products since the country was first occupied.

The "pristine" forest envirowackos are just stupid anti human obstructionists. Mom nature will not be ruled, the forests will be used and replenished, it is only a question of what they will be used for, the generation of building material or the generation of ashes.

When enviros win, they lose, when they lose, humans win, the only constant winner is mother nature.

27 posted on 05/06/2005 10:05:50 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: editor-surveyor; Trteamer; GladesGuru

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to take my '02 Wrangler into the back country. By all means, log these areas, and reduce the fire danger. I am all for opening the woods to recreational use, as long as it is responsible use. I don't want to see tundra turned into bog, for instance, or jeep roads turned into playgrounds for the 'let's see how muddy I can get my jeep' crowd. Hopefully the people using the back roads will stay on the roads. If not, I can still walk in.


28 posted on 05/06/2005 11:19:56 AM PDT by whipitgood (Public schools have replaced a biblical moral code with pragmatism. Civilization, beware!)
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To: nypokerface

"She's a Lumberjill and she's O.K....." /sarcasm


29 posted on 05/06/2005 6:11:58 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: editor-surveyor
But environmentalists say the new rule would let the administration rewrite those plans to lift restrictions against development on most of that forestland.
No condos or high priced subdivisions for you in the national forests say environmentalists.
Oh, just a sec...
Never mind. /smartalec response
30 posted on 05/07/2005 9:41:38 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: John O
Alternately, but not as favored, start logging all the national forests. Those trees are worth money and we could use the cash to pay off the debt or to reduce taxes.
Quit giving good advice to those who refuse to hear it. You'll go hoarse after a while.
I know I am.
31 posted on 05/07/2005 9:44:54 PM PDT by philman_36
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