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Gang follows illegal aliens
The Washington Times ^ | 5-5-05 | Jon Ward

Posted on 05/05/2005 10:58:26 AM PDT by JZelle

The violent MS-13 -- or Mara Salvatrucha -- street gang is following the migratory routes of illegal aliens across the country, FBI officials say, calling the Salvadoran gang the new American mafia. MS-13, which has a significant presence in the Washington area, and other gangs are spreading into small towns and suburbs by following illegal aliens seeking work in places such as Providence, R.I., and the Carolinas, FBI task force director Robert Clifford said. "The migrant moves and the gang follows," said Mr. Clifford, director of the agency's MS-13 National Gang Task Force. "If you follow the construction trade, this is where a lot of these immigrants go."

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Thank you Mr. President and all the judges who agree with you.
1 posted on 05/05/2005 10:58:27 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


2 posted on 05/05/2005 11:00:24 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: JZelle
MS-13, which has a significant presence in the Washington area

Gee...right under the gubmints nose.

3 posted on 05/05/2005 11:02:33 AM PDT by beltfed308
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To: JZelle

From what Ive read about MS-13, you could easily mistake their actions for those of the islamokazis. MS-13 just doesn't praise allah when they hack someones head off.


4 posted on 05/05/2005 11:03:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: JZelle
How many of the millions of criminals streaming into the USA over our open borders are MS-13 killers?

Nobody knows, and our President and AG don't care.


5 posted on 05/05/2005 11:06:54 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: cripplecreek

You are right. MS-13 is BAAAAADDD news. They were all Salvadoran death squad members, most of them killed their first person before they were teens. They are utterly remorseless, ruthless killers.

They have close-cropped hair and gothic lettered spanish tatoos along the top of the shoulder blades at the base of the neck. Of course, there are many people fitting this description who are not MS-13. Just check the eyes, then. No soul? MS-13.


6 posted on 05/05/2005 11:07:33 AM PDT by henkster (When democrats talk of "the rich," they are referring to anyone with a private sector job.)
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To: henkster

Also, it's not unusual to find whole families as gang members. The parents expressing pride in the illegal activities of their children.


7 posted on 05/05/2005 11:10:23 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: henkster
I read that in central America MS-13 has a habit of stopping bus loads of people and executing everyone on board just to send a message to the locals.

We're going to have Fallujah on American streets.
8 posted on 05/05/2005 11:14:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: monkeywrench

"Also, it's not unusual to find whole families as gang members"

hmmm, resembles some of our political families!!!


9 posted on 05/05/2005 11:15:17 AM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: JZelle
MS-13, which has a significant presence in the Washington area, and other gangs are spreading into small towns and suburbs by following illegal aliens seeking work in places such as Providence, R.I., and the Carolinas, FBI task force director Robert Clifford said.

Without secure borders and enforce immigration laws homeland security is a farce!

10 posted on 05/05/2005 11:17:18 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: JZelle

Hey, I'm all for closing up the borders, but the death squad is just a bit much.


11 posted on 05/05/2005 11:17:54 AM PDT by brat-rabbit
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To: JZelle
The federal government last summer appropriated $10 million to set up the FBI's new National Gang Intelligence center...

What's a few more bucks, eh?

Immigrants Illegal aliens in search of construction and meat-packing jobs often provide housing for younger relatives who may be involved in a gang...

Four MS-13 members are on trial ... on charges of killing a pregnant 17-year-old.

Three MS-13 gang members pleaded guilty to attacking a teenager in Alexandria with a machete last May. The teenager lost four fingers.

Authorities are investigating a similar machete attack on a Fairfax man in January.

In 2002, 20 MS-13 members from Los Angeles traveled to Northern Virginia because they were "upset with the local MS-13 gang because a Fairfax County police officer has not been killed."

... the Mafia killed 1,111 persons from 1919 to 2004 [85 years]...

street gangs killed 1,276 persons from 2000 to last year [4 years].

12 posted on 05/05/2005 11:18:32 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: JZelle

BUMP


13 posted on 05/05/2005 11:19:29 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: JZelle

Thesis,Antithesis,Synthesis

Social Change by managed and incremental crisis

It's gonna be a lovely NWO


14 posted on 05/05/2005 11:20:50 AM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: cripplecreek

Back in 2000 when I was a deputy prosecutor, I went to a gang conference. That's where I first heard of MS-13, and at that time they were primarily based in gang-infested L.A. where even there they stood out for their love of wanton, brutal killing for its own sake.

One of the cops showed a slide of the scene of an MS-13 killing. They blew a guy's brains out while he was sitting in the barber shop chair; blood spatter everywhere. The very grisled police veteran called this a "bad hair day."


15 posted on 05/05/2005 11:22:19 AM PDT by henkster (When democrats talk of "the rich," they are referring to anyone with a private sector job.)
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To: joesnuffy

Sadly, I believe you've hit the nail on the head.


16 posted on 05/05/2005 11:28:22 AM PDT by subterfuge (*Wherever a baby needs killin', we'll be there----the ACLU*)
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To: cripplecreek

Just wait 'til the ACLU weighs in on their right to kill anyone they please.


17 posted on 05/05/2005 11:30:43 AM PDT by hershey
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To: JZelle

ping


18 posted on 05/05/2005 11:44:12 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: henkster
"Just check the eyes"

lol

19 posted on 05/05/2005 11:46:45 AM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: Idisarthur; henkster

20 posted on 05/05/2005 11:52:01 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: joesnuffy

Order out of chaos.


21 posted on 05/05/2005 11:52:08 AM PDT by BigBadWolf (For every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three.)
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To: JZelle

in Los Angeles we are told one of the initiation rites is to kill a random stranger. Similiar to happy slapping in England but with a little more finality


22 posted on 05/05/2005 11:53:32 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: DumpsterDiver
[ ... the Mafia killed 1,111 persons from 1919 to 2004 [85 years]... ]

That YOU know of..

23 posted on 05/05/2005 11:54:56 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: Republicus2001

"in Los Angeles we are told one of the initiation rites is to kill a random stranger. Similiar to happy slapping in England but with a little more finality"

Do they use that headlight trick or is that just an urban legend?


24 posted on 05/05/2005 11:55:01 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: henkster

The Freeper stories and experiences are priceless. Nice story.


25 posted on 05/05/2005 11:58:39 AM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: cripplecreek
We're going to have Fallujah on American streets.

yes, and the government will try their best to hide the stats on crime by illegals. O'Reilly (whom I don't usually care for that much) has been good on immigration. Last night he had someone who worked with Aschroft ?sp? The guy stated that 1 in 5 people in Federal prison is an illegal. What I found astounding, was that he stated that nationwide 1/3 of all incarcerated people are illegals. If that is true, then the immigration problem is much worse than stated.

26 posted on 05/05/2005 11:59:01 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: beltfed308
MS-13, which has a significant presence in the Washington area

good, maybe the ruling class will finally take action (dreaming, I know). I don't know if this is correct, but I thought I remember some report on TV stating that there are over 50,000 MS-13 gang members nationwide.

27 posted on 05/05/2005 12:00:43 PM PDT by liberty2004
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To: injin

these MS13 bangers should be shot on sight , no mercy , just rid humanity of this blight in the gene pool....


28 posted on 05/05/2005 12:04:52 PM PDT by injin
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To: Republicus2001
n Los Angeles we are told one of the initiation rites is to kill a random strange

I heard that too. Protection from crime is one of the few legitimate functions of government -- and it does that task quite poorly. I fear the coming years will be quite tumultuous in this land. The immigration problem will accelerate to a crisis that will rip at the core of this Republic. I pray we have the fortitude to do the right thing and seal out borders and expel all illegals. Our culture, our values, our very existence will be at risk because our so called leaders cannot face reality and do the right damn thing.

29 posted on 05/05/2005 12:06:03 PM PDT by liberty2004
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To: injin
these MS13 bangers should be shot on sight , no mercy , just rid humanity of this blight in the gene pool....

That would be true justice, but the evil ACLU would get their panties in a wad. I can imagine that in the offices of the ACLU there are smiles at the violence of the gangs, cheers at the increasing flood of immigrants and shouts of joy every time an brave American soldier is killed fighting terrorism. The enemies within our land pose a much greater threat to the survival of this Republic than any enemy outside our borders.

30 posted on 05/05/2005 12:08:40 PM PDT by liberty2004
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To: joesnuffy

"Thesis,Antithesis,Synthesis
Social Change by managed and incremental crisis"

You nailed it but there ain't nobody listening.


31 posted on 05/05/2005 12:17:55 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: cripplecreek
I hear that they attack buses to steal from the passengers. Occassionally some people die.

Do you remember the story as of last year where in Nicaragua a prison was set on fire and many prisoners were BarBQ. I believe 150 prisoners died.

I think those prisoners were MS-13 Members.

That happens in other Countries, I can't ever see it happening in the States. Here in the states we love freedom and in turn innocent law abiding citizens get victimized and in some case victimized twice.

What I can't resolve for myself is, how can we sit here and make victims out to be victimized twice. Once by the criminal and the second time by the Justice system that can bePro Criminal. It's a tough situation but I'd love to hear your thought.

The difficulty is in Subjective calls by Judges on technicalities, corrupt Policing and even dealing with the Pro Criminal Lobby - The Mumia Lobby.

32 posted on 05/05/2005 12:23:07 PM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: JZelle

Insanity, Mr. President!


33 posted on 05/05/2005 12:25:48 PM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal Today)
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To: JZelle
The violent MS-13 -- or Mara Salvatrucha -- street gang is following the migratory routes of illegal aliens across the country, FBI officials say...

But, they're only here to do the jobs on one wants to do, is that what we keep hearing? Who in their right mind believes that anymore?

34 posted on 05/05/2005 12:25:56 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: henkster

"They were all Salvadoran death squad members, most of them killed their first person before they were teens."
Where did you find this tid bit of mis-information.


35 posted on 05/05/2005 1:02:52 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: JZelle

"Do they use that headlight trick or is that just an urban legend?"

Normally I trust Snopes and the article makes a good case for the hoax-ness of the headlight trick, BUT, fore-armed is fore-armed!

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/lightout.asp

Top sends


36 posted on 05/05/2005 1:10:42 PM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG!!!!)
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To: JZelle; Eaker; humblegunner
They come with targets already installed!


37 posted on 05/05/2005 1:16:10 PM PDT by Flyer (If I were 8 pixels tall I could fit in my tag line)
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To: JZelle
I think I just downloaded MS-13 on my last critical update!!

I'm gettin' FIREFOX now.

38 posted on 05/05/2005 1:17:50 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: liberty2004

Protection from crime....a legitimate function of government??????

If anyone is counting on government to protect them,from criminality, they are barking up a strange tree. EVERY oath taken by government officials has a paraphrase of "support/protect and defend the constitution" in it. If one is relying on police to defend one, better check out "DIAL 911 and DIE." It shows that LE is not LIABLE and has no duty to protect individuals. Two states only have situations where LE "malpractice" is litigatable in court.

Best bet is to acquier the means/tools of self-defense, train like a pro, and always have at least the outline of a plan.

Bleek, pessimistic outlook? Maybe, but more in line with ground truth than relying on government.

Cheers,
Top sends


39 posted on 05/05/2005 1:19:29 PM PDT by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG!!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

Nah!!There are small towns in the US that wont put up with it. Get the vigilantes, bring a rope and find a tree.


40 posted on 05/05/2005 1:30:58 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Americanexpat

I live in a town of around 200 people. There are probably twice that many guns in town. Anyone who tries to launch a killing spree around here will be identified by their DNA because there won't be enough left to identify by sight.


41 posted on 05/05/2005 1:38:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: JZelle

Thank Prohibition for this mafia. We'll solve this problem when we end the drug war, just like we solved the last mafia problem by ending alcohol prohibition.


42 posted on 05/05/2005 1:38:31 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Hard to change your ID when it's "admin")
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To: Americanexpat

There are small towns in the US that wont put up with it. Get the vigilantes, bring a rope and find a tree.


do it , don't just talk about it


43 posted on 05/05/2005 1:39:31 PM PDT by injin
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To: hosepipe
That YOU know of..

Swimmin' wit da fishies...

44 posted on 05/05/2005 1:44:52 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: cripplecreek

I rest my case.


45 posted on 05/05/2005 2:22:02 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Flyer
In other news, employees at the Magic Marker factory
discover that clever decoration and precise hand positioning
uniformly fail to improve TV reception in the break room..

One worker was injured during the effort by a coaxial cable unwisely inserted.

46 posted on 05/05/2005 2:39:57 PM PDT by humblegunner (We ain't subject to terror, but it's unwise to irritate us.)
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To: petro45acp
If anyone is counting on government to protect them,from criminality, they are barking up a strange tree.

LOL, I knew right when I pressed Post, that I picked a very poor choice of words. I agree, the last thing any rational person should do is depend on the government for protection from criminals. I admires the Founders approach to government. First and foremost they wanted self-government. Jefferson expressed why we have government at all, It is to secure our rights that we resort to government at all." Government is suppose to do collectively what we are allowed individually and no more. We have a right to protect our lives, property and loved ones from danger. The government is failing us in so many ways, one of the most by not securing the borders, thereby allowing criminal scum to cross our borders and terrorize our citizens.

what I was thinking after the Post was that if government has a proper role, most would agree it is the Courts and related functions. I must add, that aspect of government is inefficient and highly corrupt, like most other aspects of government.

47 posted on 05/05/2005 3:01:59 PM PDT by liberty2004
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To: thoughtomator
We'll solve this problem when we end the drug war, just like we solved the last mafia problem by ending alcohol prohibition.

No.

We'll solve this problem when the general populace really decides it's time to do something about it and puts down their infatuation with their fantasy worlds. Not until.

The Minutemen were the first stirrings of a groundswell. There will be more, many more. Eventually, there will likely be widespread looting and murderous crimes against innocent citizens by these gangs. This will slowly be followed by tattooed gang-bangers mysteriously hanging from lampposts.

When the government starts realizing it is losing control of it's monopoly on force, then it will get serious - but only serious only about stopping the unsanctioned elimination of the bad guys by "vigilantes", who they think pose a greater threat to them than the gangs.

This is very unlikely to end either quietly or well unless somebody very powerful and influential in our government has the vision to act decisively and soon.

Sure, drug money fuels the gangs, but so can widespread crime. Legalizing drugs will not stop these criminals. They will only find another source for money, and there is plenty in America to loot - unlike their home countries.

48 posted on 05/05/2005 3:04:35 PM PDT by Gritty ("A nation that cannot control its borders also cannot control its destiny"-Congressman Billybob)
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To: henkster
Just check the eyes, then. No soul? MS-13.

MS-13 or Democrats. Wait, is there a difference?

49 posted on 05/05/2005 3:47:05 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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