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IBD: Mexicans Still Think They Own the U.S.
Newsmax ^ | May 6, 2005 | Jim Meyers

Posted on 05/05/2005 1:56:32 PM PDT by conservativecorner

Many Hispanic activists, Mexican citizens and perhaps even members of the Mexican government believe the American Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.

They refuse to accept the legality of the U.S. annexation of Texas in 1845, the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo following the Mexican-American War, which gave large parts of Mexico to the U.S., or the 1852 Gadsden Purchase of Mexican territory now in Arizona and New Mexico. Story Continues Below

A Zogby poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agreed with the statement, "The territory of the Southwest U.S. rightfully belongs to Mexico," and therefore they believe they don't need permission to enter. In 1997, then-Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo told the National Council of La Raza in Chicago: "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders."

And current President Vincente Fox "repeated this line during a 2001 visit to the U.S., when he called for open borders and endorsed Mexico's new dual citizenship law," according to Investor's Business Daily.

Activist Charles Trujillo, a professor at the University of New Mexico, predicts that a new Hispanic nation will be formed within this century, encompassing much of the American Southwest and part of northern Mexico.

He says U.S. states have the right to secede under our original Articles of Confederation, and this will occur in the future when several Southwest states have Hispanic majorities.

The Hispanic student activist group MECHa (a Spanish acronym for Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan) claims that Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico and southern Colorado were stolen by the U.S. and should be returned to the people of Mexico, under the name "Nation of Aztlan."

Aztlan is the mythical original home of the Aztec people.

Some Californians seem to think that Los Angeles has already been "returned" to the Mexican people. As NewsMax.com reported in April, billboards touting a Spanish-language TV news program showed two newscasters in front of the L.A. skyline, with "Los Angeles, Mexico" printed above.

The billboards angered groups fighting illegal immigration. Stuart Fischoff, who teaches media psychology at California State-Los Angeles, told the L.A. Times: "The joke here is, ‘We're taking back California.' Underneath the joke is part of the truth."


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I sure hope another ass kicking won't be needed in order to prove otherwise.
1 posted on 05/05/2005 1:56:34 PM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

If need be, sign me up...:)


4 posted on 05/05/2005 2:00:07 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("Remember the ALAMO!")
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To: conservativecorner
He says U.S. states have the right to secede under our original Articles of Confederation

What's this guy a professor of? -- basketweaving?!

5 posted on 05/05/2005 2:00:19 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: macaroona

They D*MN sure won't take back Texas without a fight!


6 posted on 05/05/2005 2:00:54 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("Remember the ALAMO!")
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To: conservativecorner
Actually, the UN will protect the separatists against American ethnic cleansing. Chinese and Euroweenie fighter bombers will operate against the US from Mexico and Canada in support of separatist "insurgents" and blue helmets will protect them, while the UN tells the US that we better not retaliate.

/Humor off.
7 posted on 05/05/2005 2:01:50 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: macaroona

My solution is for the US to give Los Angeles County and San Francisco back to Mexico. It would be a two-fer...it would stop Mexico's whining, and it might go a long way to turning California back to being a "red state."


8 posted on 05/05/2005 2:02:30 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: conservativecorner
As NewsMax.com reported in April, billboards touting a Spanish-language TV news program showed two newscasters in front of the L.A. skyline, with "Los Angeles, Mexico" printed above.
There's a reason why paintball guns were invented.

-Eric

9 posted on 05/05/2005 2:03:03 PM PDT by E Rocc (If God is watching us, the least we can do is attempt to be entertaining.)
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To: conservativecorner
. MEXICO
10 posted on 05/05/2005 2:03:41 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: Little Ray
Chinese and Euroweenie fighter bombers will operate against the US from Mexico and Canada in support of separatist "insurgents" and blue helmets will protect them

There's a battle that will last about an hour.

11 posted on 05/05/2005 2:03:43 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: macaroona

La Raza told us in the 80s that "We shall not overcome. We shall overwhelm."

You'd think someone would finally pay some attention.


12 posted on 05/05/2005 2:04:52 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: conservativecorner

If they believe they own the U.S., then why did they run scared from the Minutemen, eh? They can be stopped, with a little effort.

And now, they have pished off the Governator; that should have them quaking in their cheap boots.


13 posted on 05/05/2005 2:05:30 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Truth is a rare commodity. Seek it, know it and cherish it.)
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To: Little Ray

That wasn't funny!


14 posted on 05/05/2005 2:08:14 PM PDT by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: conservativecorner; libertylass; Marauder; TXBSAFH; Bald Eagle777; texastoo; citizen; fidelio; ...

Northern Mexico Ping!

Please let me know if you want on or off this South Texas/Mexico ping list.


15 posted on 05/05/2005 2:09:22 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Remember, this is only a temporary exile!)
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To: conservativecorner

I'm sure Mexicans think that the southern portion of Mexico belongs to Guatemala, too. /sarcasm


16 posted on 05/05/2005 2:09:44 PM PDT by hollywood (Stay on topic, please.)
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To: conservativecorner; All
Crosslinked:

For "Thunder on the Border," click this picture:


17 posted on 05/05/2005 2:10:08 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Kenny Bunkport

I'm sorry, but wasn't our original Articles of Confederation just and outline for the Constitution which replaced it?


18 posted on 05/05/2005 2:10:32 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: conservativecorner
The 58% of those Mexicans are just bitter, ungrateful and utterly delusional. They owe their existence right now to the United States, and everyday they should get on their knees and pray that they have the United States as their neighbor. If not for the United States, the majority of Mexicans will be starving in the streets.
19 posted on 05/05/2005 2:10:32 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: logic

I don't know. I think the idea of the UN trying to protect anybody is kinda funny in a morbid sorta way...


20 posted on 05/05/2005 2:10:36 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: macaroona
Mexican pipe dream. Their emigrees worked hard to escape Mexico. Why would they want to go back to what they escaped? Rooting for the Mexican soccer team is one thing. Putting themselves back under the rule of corrupt Mexico City bureaucrats and politicians is quite another.

But I'm sure the fantasy warms the heart of the Mexican intelligentsia.

21 posted on 05/05/2005 2:10:43 PM PDT by LenS
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To: Kenny Bunkport

it would last about an hour if the U.S. armed forces fought them.........The possiblity of us fighting appears rather minute from where I'm sitting since the current "conservative" administration is on their side...


22 posted on 05/05/2005 2:10:57 PM PDT by logic ("All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing......")
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To: Kenny Bunkport

Take out anyone wearing a blue helmet, who aims for the helmet anyway!


23 posted on 05/05/2005 2:11:57 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Bigh4u2

No matter. The Articles were replaced, made null and void. They have no authority.


25 posted on 05/05/2005 2:13:56 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: combat_boots
We as a Country have always been "reactive" instead of "proactive". Instead of taking care of what needs too be done before it becomes a problem, we wait until we get kicked in the a$$. If there is a deadly snake in our house, we let it stay, until it bites us, then we drive it out. And if we keep following this insane policy, WE THE PEOPLE will reap what our elected leaders have sewn.

Jeff

26 posted on 05/05/2005 2:14:41 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: logic

Regardless of your opinion of the Bush Administration, it's ridiculous to think that any American administration wouldn't retaliate against an obvious attack upon the US.


27 posted on 05/05/2005 2:15:17 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Racer

Name calling becomes you.


28 posted on 05/05/2005 2:16:05 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: Kenny Bunkport
He says U.S. states have the right to secede under our original Articles of Confederation

What's this guy a professor of? -- basketweaving?!

Texas is rather unique, in that Texas was an independant country before joining the USA. As a result, Texas had the ability to press for several conditions prior to joining the USA. For example, our state flag flies at EQUAL height to the US Flag. The Texas capital building is BIGGER than then the National Capitol building. Texas reserves the right to secede, or to split itself into 3 smaller states; and the Federal gov't doesn't get voice in this decision.

The sucession declaration may be found here.

29 posted on 05/05/2005 2:17:05 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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So the arguement that the states can secede under the original "Articles of Confederation", have no legal bearing, or holding.

That's what I thought.


30 posted on 05/05/2005 2:17:52 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: backhoe

31 posted on 05/05/2005 2:18:30 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (It takes all kinds of critters...to make Farmer Vincents fritters)
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To: All

take this seriously folks.

The palestinians were able to make up stuff and now they have a "country" to demand.

If anything, the UN will start to demand we surrender land for the mexican homeland and then other nations will say our refusal is a human rights violation.


32 posted on 05/05/2005 2:18:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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ping


33 posted on 05/05/2005 2:18:57 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Kenny Bunkport

(Aztlan is the mythical original home of the Aztec people.)

Why would anyone be proud of being the descendents of the Aztecs? Why they built nice stuff, they still sacrificed human beings by cutting their hearts out while they were still alive!


34 posted on 05/05/2005 2:19:13 PM PDT by winner3000 (part)
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To: conservativecorner

Even though I am personally opposed to "giving back" anything that Mexicans still think is their's, I might go along with certain parts of the Los Angeles area, Santa Fe and other liberal enclaves but that would only be if the illegals left the rest of the country alone (sort of like how Israel is giving up outposts, while fencing Palestinians out of their territory.)


35 posted on 05/05/2005 2:19:49 PM PDT by zerosix
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To: reagan_fanatic

Outstanding


36 posted on 05/05/2005 2:20:00 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: conservativecorner
Activist Charles Trujillo, a professor at the University of New Mexico...

I would arrrest this traitor and seize his assets.

37 posted on 05/05/2005 2:21:27 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Hodar

For Texas, this is true. Thanks for the link.


38 posted on 05/05/2005 2:21:44 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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To: conservativecorner

Hmmmm....

Most of these hispanics who think the southwest belongs to them better consult the history books.

World Book Encyclopedia says:

To understand Mexico, it is necessary to view the nation's long early history. Hundreds of years ago, the Indians of Mexico built large cities, developed a calendar, invented a counting system, and used a form of writing. The last Indian empire in Mexico--that of the Aztec--fell to Spanish invaders in 1521. For the next 300 years, Mexico was a Spanish colony. The Spaniards took Mexico's riches, and the Indians remained poor and uneducated.

Hmmmmmmm...........


39 posted on 05/05/2005 2:21:44 PM PDT by UseYourHead (Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talking.)
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To: conservativecorner

According to www.AmericanPatrol.com I have read they expect there will have to be a war to put them back in their place.

There is also another book out by Weinberger called "The Next War" and they claim it will be with Mexico. Book has been out for a while.


40 posted on 05/05/2005 2:21:55 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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Mexicans THINK..?
Who knew..
41 posted on 05/05/2005 2:21:57 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: conservativecorner

I think another Mexican/American War is in order.This time we need to finish the job.


42 posted on 05/05/2005 2:22:13 PM PDT by thombo
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To: Hodar

"to ratify the same at the ballot box, on the 23rd day of the present month."

Was this ever ratified?


43 posted on 05/05/2005 2:23:41 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Kenny Bunkport
What's this guy a professor of? -- basketweaving?!

Underwater basketweaving, a minor in paper mache jewelry.

44 posted on 05/05/2005 2:24:13 PM PDT by UseYourHead (Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talking.)
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To: Bigh4u2

It's an interesting question though. But I don't recall anyone, other than this guy, making a case for the authority to secede from the union based upon the Articles of Confederation. I don't even think the Confederate States made that case.


45 posted on 05/05/2005 2:24:28 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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"the Indians remained poor and uneducated"

The spanish that run Mexico intend to keep it that way and that includes anyone with indian blood, what are called mexicans here.


47 posted on 05/05/2005 2:25:42 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: conservativecorner

So, this doesn't make sense. Why would the illegals here who are fleeing their country want to be back in Mexico by way of annexation? I'm not sure the majority would share the views of those quoted in this article. They voted w/ their feet and I think are happy about the reception they've gotten so far.


48 posted on 05/05/2005 2:26:36 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: Hodar

That may be what it says on paper, but didn't Texas already secede back in 1861? And wasn't it forced back into the Union by military means during the Reconstruction period? Not trying to start an argument, as the same thing happened to my great state (Alabama, where the Confederacy was born), but the agreements with the USA annexing Texas into the Union in 1845 seem like a moot point after the War Between The States.


49 posted on 05/05/2005 2:27:28 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: KC_Conspirator

Sounds like another Ward Churchill.


50 posted on 05/05/2005 2:27:29 PM PDT by Kenny Bunkport
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