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Backdoor license plan (CA: Bill would protect illegal immigrant drivers' cars from impound lot)
L.A. Daily News ^ | May 06, 2005 | Harrison Sheppard/Sacramento Bureau

Posted on 05/06/2005 6:34:37 AM PDT by JesseJane

Friday, May 06, 2005 - SACRAMENTO -- Stymied in his efforts to allow illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses, Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, has found a backdoor way around the ban with a proposal that would exempt undocumented motorists from vehicle-impound laws.

Under current law, for 30 days police can impound the vehicle of a motorist caught driving without a valid license. Cedillo's bill would exempt those who don't have a license simply because they are not legal U.S. residents.

Cedillo said law enforcement resources should be dedicated to going after serious driving offenses such as drunk driving, not licensing violations by undocumented immigrants.

"That's what the money should be spent for, not towing people's cars who are taking their citizen kids to school, church or the supermarket," Cedillo said in an interview. "It's just a bad policy and it doesn't make sense."

Unlike his measure that would make illegal immigrants eligible for licenses, which was repealed under pressure from Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Cedillo has pushed for his new bill quietly.

In fact, one of the strongest opponents to Cedillo's driver's-license measure, Mike Spence, president of the conservative group California Republican Assembly, was unaware of the latest bill until contacted by the Daily News.

Spence said the bill appears to apply a "double standard" because legal residents whose licenses were suspended or revoked still would be punished.

"If you're a citizen and you break one law, your car will be impounded for 30 days. If you're already breaking another law and you break this law, you get away with it free. It's a 'Get-your-car-out-of-impound-free card' for illegal aliens, and it's wrong."

Cedillo's bill, SB 591, is on hold, pending developments at the federal level, where lawmakers are working on a bill to establish a national identification system.

The federal bill would prohibit illegal aliens from obtaining the standard license, but would allow states to provide separate license documents allowing illegal immigrants to drive. If it passes, Cedillo said, his bill might not be necessary, depending on how California reacts.

Los Angeles police officers say the ability to impound vehicles is a useful tool for law enforcement. Lt. Steven Allen of the LAPD's Valley Traffic Division said the law helps discourage unlicensed, uninsured drivers by making it more expensive.

"I probably get more complaints about this very issue from people who are involved in traffic accidents than any other issue," Allen said. "(They say) here I am in this country legally and I have a driver's license and I get rear-ended by someone who has no license, who is here illegally and has no insurance. How am I ever going to get money for the damage to my car?"

Valley Traffic runs operations several times a month, targeting areas where there are frequent hit-and-runs to check for driver's licenses and registrations. The operations usually result in anywhere from 80 to 120 impounds each time.

Allen said there is no reason to drive without a license because police are required to recognize valid licenses from other countries, so those who are here illegally should at least maintain a legal license from their native country.

Congress is expected by next week to pass the national license law, called the Real ID act.

The act also makes it more difficult to seek asylum in the U.S. and waives environmental regulations to speed up the completion of a three-mile section of fence between California and Mexico near San Diego.

The immigration provisions are part of an $82 billion emergency spending bill for tsunami relief and U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Rep. David Dreier, R-Glendora, an early supporter of the immigration provisions, hailed them as a key part of ensuring national security. He specifically blasted environmental groups that have fought completion of the border fence.

"In the name of the environment, the environment has been plundered," he said, holding up posters showing the garbage-strewn area of uncompleted fence.

Southern California Republicans are expected to unanimously vote in favor of the bill. Democrats are divided.

Opponents say it is unlikely that illegal immigrants would opt to receive a license that essentially identifies them as illegal. Advocates say protecting driver's licenses will disrupt terrorist travel and ensure that states know who is receiving official identification.

Reps. Howard Berman, D-Van Nuys, and Hilda Solis, D-El Monte, both have said that despite their opposition to the immigration provisions, they will support the bill because it funds equipment and other services for U.S. troops.

Rep. Grace Napolitano, D-Santa Fe Springs, has said she will oppose it.

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Pasadena, said he will vote in favor of the bill.

"I don't think the immigration provisions belong in the bill," Schiff said, adding, "Given the equipment shortages we're seeing in Iraq, I don't think we can draw the supplemental (funding) out any further."

Staff Writer Lisa Friedman in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.

Harrison Sheppard, (916) 446-6723 harrison.sheppard@dailynews.com


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NOTICE HOW THE MAJORITY OF CA DEMS LIKE *GIL CEDILLO* SPEND THEIR TIME PROMOTING OR PROTECTING ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT ARE PLUNDERING CA??? For other states, TN for example, you MUST get involved, every American needs to get involved to get a handle on illegal aliens draining and destroying your schools, health care facilities, social programs for those truly in need, law enforcement, safety, all infrastructure, before you end up like CA. Either our legislators protect the rule of law, or throw them out! PRO-RULE OF LAW, is NOT, racism. No matter how many times they try to twist the argument, the rule of law IS the rule of law.

So with the encouragement of the U.S. government and with the financial support of major U.S. corporations and foundations, LULAC, MALDEF, MEChA/MEXA, and La Raza, pillars of the radical ''Hispanic'' lobby, successfully and aggressively promote hatred of the history, identity, culture, language, and laws of the United States.

STOP THE RADICAL ANTI-AMERICAN LOBBIES!

1 posted on 05/06/2005 6:34:41 AM PDT by JesseJane
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx

~for your ping list~


2 posted on 05/06/2005 6:35:18 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: JesseJane
So basically - he is treating illegals better than American citizens...
3 posted on 05/06/2005 6:37:23 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: 2banana

Exactly. Always has. Grrrrrrrrrrr....


4 posted on 05/06/2005 6:39:18 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: JesseJane; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4.1O dana super trac pak; ...
Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
Click to FR-mail me for addition or removal

Hmmm...a little slap-happy with the keyword list, eh, JJ?

I can see this as a good thing...gracious knows, those poor illegals certainly can't afford a $300 impound redemption fee...not with the $20 Billion they're sending home to the family! /sarcasm

5 posted on 05/06/2005 6:41:02 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: JesseJane
So if you look Hispanic, don't bother getting a license, you don't need it?

Wow

6 posted on 05/06/2005 6:41:39 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: HiJinx
>>Hmmm...a little slap-happy with the keyword list, eh, JJ? <<

Just doing a little cut and paste there.. :) ~

7 posted on 05/06/2005 6:42:23 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: JesseJane
"If you're a citizen and you break one law, your car will be impounded for 30 days. If you're already breaking another law and you break this law, you get away with it free. It's a 'Get-your-car-out-of-impound-free card' for illegal aliens, and it's wrong."

My, my. Tell me again why I should be law abiding?

I suppose that, being a U.S. citizen, I should realize that I'm inferior to illegal immigrants. How foolish of me to forget my place.

8 posted on 05/06/2005 6:47:29 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: neutrino
>>Tell me again why I should be law abiding? <<

If you find out, let me know!! /s :)

9 posted on 05/06/2005 6:48:30 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: JesseJane

10 posted on 05/06/2005 6:52:26 AM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: JesseJane

Just the usual neo-lib rant. They hate America. Can't wait for them to tell me how patriotic the backers of this law are.


11 posted on 05/06/2005 6:52:47 AM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: JesseJane
"Cedillo said law enforcement resources should be dedicated to going after serious driving offenses such as drunk driving, not licensing violations by undocumented immigrants."

A liberal race baiter is someone who has not yet been rear-ended by an illegal alien driving without insurance on a license with a bogus address.

PS:I've watched cars go into 30 day impound, the drivers seldom bother to bail them out, just going on to buy another...but the auction does put money in the treasury and some nice oldies can be found.

12 posted on 05/06/2005 6:54:11 AM PDT by norton (build a wall and post the rules at the gate)
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To: 2banana

uh, yeah

This is nothing new to people of California. This guy needs to go...


13 posted on 05/06/2005 6:59:26 AM PDT by television is just wrong (http://heidisblogs.blogspot.com/)
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To: JesseJane
NOTICE HOW THE MAJORITY OF CA DEMS LIKE *GIL CEDILLO* SPEND THEIR TIME PROMOTING OR PROTECTING ILLEGAL ALIENS

The Feds aren't any better. Did you notice this?

The federal bill would prohibit illegal aliens from obtaining the standard license, but would allow states to provide separate license documents allowing illegal immigrants to drive.

How is that NOT pandering to illegal aliens and making their illegal status something to overlook. It highlights, yet again, the crap they are allowing illegals to get away with. It's just one more damn case of not enforcing immigration law and rewarding illegal aliens.

14 posted on 05/06/2005 7:07:09 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver (foxtrot uniform charlie kilo!)
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To: JesseJane

Outrageous! This is America, not the flop house of the Latino world and the 3rd world.

The chutzpah of it all, to try and get a special exemption for illegal aliens (read Mexicans). How about if the illegal alien is stinking drunk? Can we then impound his car? And deport him?


15 posted on 05/06/2005 7:07:30 AM PDT by dennisw (2¢ plain)
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To: JesseJane

Here's another bill for Arnold to veto.


16 posted on 05/06/2005 7:18:26 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: DumpsterDiver

DD, I feel, it began at the state level with giving freebies to illegals, and forcing us to educate them for free. It is the corruption and pandering at the state level that allowed this problem to spiral out of control. And yes, I agree with you that the feds are AS responsible, since Clinton allowed the cap on illegals to essentially be erased. Though the problem started before Clinton, the dem party needed votes, so they opened the floodgates.


17 posted on 05/06/2005 7:22:37 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: JesseJane
I want to state this up front. In case you hadn't noticed, I am PO'ed about this, but none of the ire is directed towards you, OK? :-)

DD, I feel, it began at the state level with giving freebies to illegals, and forcing us to educate them for free. It is the corruption and pandering at the state level that allowed this problem to spiral out of control.

Illegal immigration into California started trickling in starting in the mid-'60s. The Mexicans advertised themselves as the cheapest whores on the block and this appealed to some (greedy) owners of small businesses. Gradually, other businesses had to either go along with this hiring of illegals or close up shop because they couldn't compete with the people who were breaking the law.

As this trend continued, more illegals came and they began bringing their families with them. As their numbers increased, there were more kids to educate and provide healthcare for. As more and more "social programs" kicked in, so did the expense to the taxpayer, both at the state level and at the federal level.

After seeing that the immigration laws weren't going to be enforced, large corporations picked up the pace and also began hiring illegal aliens (meat processing is one example). Since then, the growth has been exponential. More illegals, more anchor babies, more Americans being pushed out of jobs, higher taxes, crowded schools, an overwhelmed healthcare system, etc.

And yes, I agree with you that the feds are AS responsible, since Clinton allowed the cap on illegals to essentially be erased. Though the problem started before Clinton, the dem party needed votes, so they opened the floodgates.

This has been the fault of every Administration since the 1960s and it's taken us to where we are today. Do we enforce immigration laws? No. Our elected officials actually spend their time (and our money) sitting around discussing the best way to smooch the behinds of illegal aliens, because God forbid we do anything that might upset them!

It's disgusting. It's repugnant. And I am fed up with it.

18 posted on 05/06/2005 8:05:52 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: JesseJane
Bienvenidos a Aztlan. Oprima el numero dos para Ingles.


19 posted on 05/06/2005 8:19:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: JesseJane

This is insanity.


20 posted on 05/06/2005 8:21:37 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: HiJinx
I can see this as a good thing...gracious knows, those poor illegals certainly can't afford a $300 impound redemption fee...not with the $20 Billion they're sending home to the family! /sarcasm

Their biggest problem is which one of their five matricula consular cards do they flash at the impound lot? They tend to forget who the heck the automobile was registered under.

21 posted on 05/06/2005 8:48:06 AM PDT by dennisw (2¢ plain)
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To: JesseJane
No one is for tighter borders than me, but the whole car impound thing is out of hand on the west (left) coast. They charge $40 to $50 a day for basically nothing and it's brought a lot of crooks into the biz. The tow truck assn's pump beau coup bucks into the various legislatures pockets and it shows. Twice I had to prepare "termination packages" on cops who were taking kickbacks.
In Seattle there is an offense, not listed in the law library, but it's known as driving while black. And this is a 'liberal' city ha ha. Do ya hear this California, Oregon and Washington Legislatures? I'm calling you a bunch of crooks!
22 posted on 05/06/2005 8:56:16 AM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: DumpsterDiver
We don't disagree on this at all. Interesting article:

llegal immigration from Mexico is increasing and apprehensions by the Border Patrol are up 25 percent along our southern border and up 40 percent in the San Diego sector. In January, President Bush proposed a guest-worker plan that would give legal status to illegal aliens working in the United States as well as to those outside the country who can prove they have been offered a job. Since it is hard to get a job offer while in Mexico, many Mexicans have been heading north, hoping to get settled before Bush’s program is in place. Bush’s proposal was obviously a powerful incentive for more illegal immigration. Democratic Presidential nominee John Kerry likewise promises to legalize illegal aliens..

23 posted on 05/06/2005 8:57:30 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: JesseJane

Cedillo is bringing up (again) the drivers' licenses for illegals. So far the governor is ignoring it. Cedillo always represents Mexicans, not Americans.


24 posted on 05/06/2005 9:06:20 AM PDT by janetgreen (Minutman Project - American patriotism!)
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To: janetgreen

You know, if they could drive in their own country they can show their international drivers license.. This is nothing but a ticket to vote in our elections. Eliminating the voice of the citizens with massive non-citizen, illegal voting. When DEMOCRATS figure out that THEIR VOICEBOX has been slit by the politicians to retain power, it'll be too damn late for the them to say anything.


25 posted on 05/06/2005 9:09:52 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: HiJinx

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


26 posted on 05/06/2005 10:15:09 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: JesseJane
This is nothing but a ticket to vote in our elections.

Bingo! That's what Cedillo and the hispanic lobby want. If Arnold doesn't stand up to Cedillo again, he'll be toast.

27 posted on 05/06/2005 10:42:38 AM PDT by janetgreen (Minutman Project - American patriotism!)
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To: 2banana
So basically - he is treating illegals better than American citizens...

Get a load of this...

* Oakland Police Halt DUI Checkpoints after Pressure Activists Cry Roadblocks Discriminate Against those without Licenses

... Oakland police officers have stopped setting up roadblocks to check whether drivers are under the influence because of a rash of complaints from the Latino community and City Council President Ignacio De La Fuente. The checkpoints, which allow officers to demand licenses and proof of insurance, are an effective way to get drunken drivers off Oakland's streets, city leaders agree.

But the checks also have ensnared scores of illegal aliens who are not licensed to drive. "These checkpoints make people's lives miserable, not make them safer," said Jesus Rodriguez of Oakland Community Organizations. The complaints and pressure from De La Fuente prompted police Chief Richard L. Word to order his officers to hold off on any more DUI checkpoints while new guidelines are drafted. "The checkpoints are a great tool for law enforcement," Word said. "We'll develop a better focus on drug hot spots and stopping sideshows."

However, the month-long moratorium on checkpoints has outraged Council member Larry Reid, who calls the change a threat to public safety. "It is absolutely insane to stop these checkpoints," Reid said. "I would not want to explain to a mother why we stopped doing these checkpoints when we know they work and her son or daughter was killed."

The new checkpoint guidelines may call for police to notify Latino community organizations of the time and location of coming checkpoints. While officers have some discretion, the cars of unlicensed drivers are usually towed. To get their cars back, owners must pay $125, plus any storage fees. That is a significant burden to many illegal aliens, Rodriguez said.

Reid said he has little sympathy with Rodriguez's position. "I don't care if they are illegal immigrants," Reid said. "They should not be driving on our streets without a license, without insurance. I expect the Oakland PD to do its job and get them off the street." (Oakland Tribune, September 28, 2004)

http://tancredo.house.gov/irc/unbelievable.html

These check points are a blatant violation of the fourth amendment,but illegals are to be the only ones afforded this protevtion?

28 posted on 05/06/2005 10:47:14 AM PDT by kennyo
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To: JesseJane

bump


29 posted on 05/06/2005 11:20:20 AM PDT by RippleFire ("It's a joke, son!")
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To: kennyo
But the [DUI] checks also have ensnared scores of illegal aliens who are not licensed to drive. "These checkpoints make people's lives miserable, not make them safer," said Jesus Rodriguez of Oakland Community Organizations.

Transportation
     In 2001, Hispanics accounted for 20% of the arrests for impaired driving, although they only made up 9% of the U.S. population. Also, alcohol was involved in about half of all Hispanic traffic-related fatalities.
     According to Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), one reason for these numbers may be that perceptions of alcohol are different in the Hispanic community. One research study showed Hispanics believe it takes six to eight drinks before they are too impaired to drive, whereas whites believe it takes two to four drinks.
http://www.aspira.org/PublicPolicyWeb/publicpolicy/transp.htm

GEICO Direct Revs Up the Hispanic Community's Awareness About Drunk Driving Prevention and Seat Belt Usage
     WASHINGTON, June 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Motor vehicle accidents are the leading cause of death for Hispanics ages 1-44, and the third leading cause of death for Hispanics of all ages, ...according to the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration.
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news/newsbyid.asp?id=11063

30 posted on 05/06/2005 11:35:52 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: janetgreen
Cedillo always represents Mexicans, not Americans.

Politicians like Cedillo place race before nationality.

31 posted on 05/06/2005 2:33:53 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: judgeandjury
Politicians like Cedillo place race before nationality.

Unfortunately, he's not the only one here in California either who favors Mexico and illegal immigration.

I wonder how many illegal aliens are voting? I doubt that the "new arrivals" are, but I suspect that many of the others are. There are many millions to choose from here, legal and illegal.

32 posted on 05/06/2005 3:05:01 PM PDT by janetgreen (Minutman Project - American patriotism!)
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To: 2banana

Illegals also may pay in-state fees for college, while US citizens of another US state (and immigrants who are legally here) must pay the higher out-of-state fees.


33 posted on 05/07/2005 11:01:05 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
A couple years ago, there was a bill to give California National Guard members tuition benefits in attending community colleges, state colleges and to a lesser extent UC colleges (most states offer educational benefits to their Guard members, but not California). The bill got dramatically changed and the original intended benefits did not come to pass. This was at the same time others in the legislature were pushing hard for tuition benefits for illegal immigrants.

Of course, there are priorities... --sarcasm--
34 posted on 05/08/2005 4:37:31 PM PDT by Diligent
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