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Effort to let illegals drive in California gets boost - House votes to allow license-like document
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 6, 2005 | Michael Gardner

Posted on 05/06/2005 6:39:36 AM PDT by calcowgirl

SACRAMENTO – In an ironic twist, a move by Congress to make it tougher for illegal immigrants to get driver licenses nationwide has given new life to legislation allowing them to drive legally in California.

In Washington, the House voted yesterday to establish national standards for driver licenses to make it harder for terrorists to get documents that would effectively prohibit illegal immigrants from getting licenses.

The Senate is expected to follow suit next week.

But the congressional measure would allow a separate driving document that could not be used, as licenses are, for such things as boarding a plane, entering a federal building or opening a bank account.

Under the federal legislation, obtaining a driver license would require proof of legal residency, but the driving certificate would not.

All that seems fine with state Sen. Gil Cedillo.

For seven years, the Los Angeles Democrat has sought to give illegal immigrants access to California driver licenses. During that time, he had resisted suggestions that he pursue driving certificates, fearing that the different-colored documents would make people second-class citizens or open the door to discrimination.

With the congressional action, Cedillo yesterday said he now embraces establishing an alternative document.

"Mission accomplished," he said, reacting to the federal licensing provision addressing illegal immigrants. "The result is: Not only will California have a way for people to drive legally, a way that is more secure, the whole nation will."

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has reservations about illegal immigrants applying for driver licenses. In the 2003 campaign, Schwarzenegger pledged to repeal a measure that allowed illegal immigrants to receive licenses. The Legislature complied.

But when he vetoed a subsequent Cedillo bill in September, he suggested he would support a driving document that was visually distinct from a license.

"If there is a marker on it, I will sign it. If there's no marker on it, I will not sign it," Schwarzenegger said at the time.

He backed off, pointing to uncertainty about what the federal government would do. His spokeswoman yesterday suggested he is in no hurry to address the issue.

"It would be premature to develop any state legislation until these regulations are in place, because federal law could pre-empt any state law," press secretary Margita Thompson said.

Meanwhile, the governor has toughened his rhetoric on illegal immigration in recent weeks. He suggested a couple of weeks ago that California's borders should be "closed," though he quickly backtracked to explain that he meant the borders need to be "secured." He then praised the Minuteman Project, comparing the volunteer border patrol to a Neighborhood Watch group.

In addition to standardizing driver licenses, the legislation passed by the House also toughens asylum laws and allows the homeland security secretary to bypass laws to build border barriers, including the remainder of a fence along an environmentally sensitive area of the U.S.-Mexico border near the San Diego coast.

Those provisions are attached to an $82 billion spending bill, largely for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. President Bush has said he will sign the measure.

Thus, the Republican-controlled Congress could pave the way for more than 2 million illegal immigrants to legally drive in California, as well as millions more across the country.

Foes of licenses for illegal immigrants contend that terrorists can use the documents to create phony identities, open bank accounts and board airplanes. However, about 40 states, including California, already have residency requirements for licenses.

But supporters say a more lenient policy would increase public safety by testing all drivers and giving those in the country illegally the ability to obtain insurance. Many need cars to get to work or go to school.

California insurers won't issue motorists a policy without a license. However, car dealers can sell a vehicle to those who don't have one.

Cedillo said he will roll out his legislation as soon as Bush signs the bill.

"We will do all we can to comply with the spirit of the law, but in a way that doesn't invite discrimination," he said.

With strong Democratic majorities in both houses of the Legislature, the odds are that Cedillo's bill will reach the governor's desk.

But Cedillo said he still has misgivings about a different-looking driving document because it could pose problems for businesses. Though widely ignored, the law prohibits businesses from hiring illegal immigrants.

"Businesses don't want to be put in the position of being Border Patrol agents," Cedillo said.

Cedillo said he is sympathetic to concerns expressed by Latino activists and some religious groups who raise civil rights concerns about a separate driving certificate.

"A different license raises the potential for discrimination, for abuse, for exploitation," Francisco Estrada, policy director for the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund, said yesterday.

"What we need to think about is whether the driving privilege is worth that risk," Estrada said. "I honestly don't know that answer at this point."

Mike Spence, a leader of efforts to block driver licenses and other public services to illegal immigrants, said he remains opposed to any kind of document that he says would reward those who cross the border illegally.

"We should not give away a drive-around-California-free card," Spence said. "The law should be enforced."

Assembly Republican leader Kevin McCarthy of Bakersfield said GOP lawmakers are likely to side with Spence.

"It gives them legitimacy," McCarthy said. "People will use it for other purposes. I want greater protections."

Tennessee, led by a Democratic governor, and Utah, led by a Republican governor, already have approved separate documents for those in the country illegally. Neither document can be used for boarding planes or receiving other services.

"It was the dual concern for security and for people who are using our roads," said Melissa McDonald, a spokeswoman for the Tennessee Department of Safety.

Tennessee issued 22,000 "certificates for driving" in the 10 months they were available. Officials expect the pace to pick up as licenses expire because of the federal legislation.

"Driver's licenses were really never meant to become the main identification," McDonald said. "It's just something that has evolved."

Some states say the federal standards could cause bureaucratic problems and make it difficult for legal residents to get and renew licenses.

The identification rules for a standard license, which haven't been detailed in the legislation, will likely force motorists to personally visit the Department of Motor Vehicles when it's time for renewal, some state officials warn. Many renewals are done by mail or online.

Already cash-strapped, license bureaus across the country will be required to do more verification, but without additional funding, said Ann Morse, who monitors immigration policy for the National Conference of State Legislatures.

"There is zero money in this bill. . . . It's a black hole that's not going to serve its purpose," she predicted.

Jason King, a spokesman for the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators, agreed. "Twenty-first century technology requires 21st-century funding," he said.

Steve Haskins, a spokesman for the California Department of Motor Vehicles, which has issued 22 million licenses, was more cautious. "We're waiting for everything to shake out," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2006elections; 2006senaterace; aliens; arnold; ca; california; cedillo; driverslicense; illegals; immigrantlist; laraza; maldef; nolicenseforillegals; rescuecalifornia; voterfraud

1 posted on 05/06/2005 6:39:38 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

I just don't know what to say. He referred to Schwarzenegger as racist because Mr.S, wanted drivers licenses to look different. Now it is ok. ?????? Oh well, Cedillo


2 posted on 05/06/2005 6:42:45 AM PDT by television is just wrong (http://heidisblogs.blogspot.com/)
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To: calcowgirl

BULLSH*T.

kick the b*stards out.


4 posted on 05/06/2005 6:46:42 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An Armed Society is a Polite Society" Heinlein)
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To: calcowgirl

So I assume when the cops stop an illegal with the funny colored license they deport them -- right?


5 posted on 05/06/2005 6:47:30 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: calcowgirl
Under the federal legislation, obtaining a driver license would require proof of legal residency, but the driving certificate would not.

Ya? How about proof of INSURANCE? Or is that just for those of us 2nd rate LEGAL citizens?

6 posted on 05/06/2005 6:50:33 AM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: calcowgirl
If driving certificates are approved they will immediately push for them to be accepted as I.D.
7 posted on 05/06/2005 6:52:45 AM PDT by Flyer (If I were 8 pixels tall I could fit in my tag line)
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To: calcowgirl
LOL! Gil Cedillo can have his driving document. But its a meaningless liberal gesture, since its not going to be recognized as a national ID. Its not going to legitimize illegal aliens in our country. So Cedillo is pursuing his idee fixe for nothing!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
8 posted on 05/06/2005 6:53:07 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Tarpon

So I assume when the cops stop an illegal with the funny colored license they deport them -- right?
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And they can pay their traffic fines with the funny colored money -- right? !!! ;-))


9 posted on 05/06/2005 6:53:14 AM PDT by GeekDejure ("That may be too late!" -- Laura)
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To: Tarpon

Of course not - that would not be "fair." (gigantic sarcasm alert!)

Keep making it easier for people to come here, and they will. Make life harder for them and they won't. Maybe the ones here will leave also - I'm not aware of anything preventing them from leaving. I wonder what policies Mexico has with respect to its OWN southern border? Are they as free (foolish) as we are?

Our "compassion" is killing us, and destroying our nation. We're supposed to be worried about what kind of environment we are passing on to our children - "global warming" and all. What about what kind of society, what kind of country?

Or is the point that many don't like the US as it is presently constituted and want to destroy it? They will kill the goose that laid the golden egg, that's for sure.

I have asked many times here for any good news on this front, and have received little. I suppose the Minutemen was a good, but small, first step.

It's too early in the day for me to be this riled up . . .


10 posted on 05/06/2005 6:54:33 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: cvq3842

They did this here in Utah this year. The illegals and their buddies were mighty upset, but not P.O.'ed enough for me. I'm sure their threatening to hold their breath until they turned blue impressed some folks enough to think that something was being done. In fact, the rich-ass mormon business types that hire four dollar an hour illegals still get their workforce, and that workforce can still drive their crappy cars and broken down vans on the freeways to get to the jobs that citizens can't get.


11 posted on 05/06/2005 7:12:55 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: calcowgirl
"Mission accomplished," he [Gil Cedillo] said, reacting to the federal licensing provision addressing illegal immigrants.

Between the Feds and the State, we are F___ed!

12 posted on 05/06/2005 7:19:53 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: calcowgirl

The socialists have learned to play the DOUBLESPEAK of "1984"

Marriage which is not Marriage

now

DL License which is not a License.


If California keeps this up they should just abolish the state and break it up into three parts of N, Coastal, and S.


13 posted on 05/06/2005 7:20:22 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: calcowgirl
For seven years, the Los Angeles Democrat has sought to give illegal immigrants access to California driver licenses

For seven years, the Los Angeles Democrat has sought to give bank robbers access to California banks

For seven years, the Los Angeles Democrat has sought to give pedophiles access to California daycare centers

....and on and on I could go.....What is it about "ILLEGAL" that they don't understand????
14 posted on 05/06/2005 7:24:28 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: goldstategop
... since its not going to be recognized as a national ID. Its not going to legitimize illegal aliens in our country. So Cedillo is pursuing his idee fixe for nothing!

The only thing the driving certificate stops illegals from doing is using it as ID for boarding a plane and entering a federal building. They can already open a bank account and obtain home loans without either a state issued driver's license or an S.S. #.

From the article:

"But the congressional measure would allow a separate driving document that could not be used, as licenses are, for such things as boarding a plane, entering a federal building or opening a bank account."

15 posted on 05/06/2005 7:27:56 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: M-cubed
What is it about "ILLEGAL" that they don't understand????

After the word illegal, everything else is moot. I can't even understand how it ever became debatable.
16 posted on 05/06/2005 7:29:54 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (Laura is wonderful so get off her back pinheads!)
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To: calcowgirl

Will someone pulllllezzzzz tell the governor to file a lawsuit against the feds so we can recover the NINE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR it is costing us to allow illegals to stay in California.
helloooooo???

And the only documents that I want to see illegals carrying while boarding a plane are DEPORTATION DOCUMENTS!
Point, Game, Set, Match!
gezzzzzzz what a bunch of knuckleheads we have in Sacramento and DC!


17 posted on 05/06/2005 7:32:29 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

>>And the only documents that I want to see illegals carrying while boarding a plane are DEPORTATION DOCUMENTS!

I agree, but I won't hold my breath.


18 posted on 05/06/2005 8:42:29 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
we won't have to hold our breath...
if we keep calling and writing these idiots maybe they will get the message! LOL
And if these clowns in the Gelding Old Party don't start "getting the message" then they can forget about people like us contributing our time and money to their campaigns and voting for them next time!
19 posted on 05/06/2005 8:58:59 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


20 posted on 05/06/2005 9:03:44 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: calcowgirl

Our Gubamint hard at work for the uninsured poor grass-cutting veggie-picking illegal..

Yup, got to set our priorities, yaknow. Pathetic.


21 posted on 05/06/2005 9:26:04 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


22 posted on 05/06/2005 10:21:23 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: television is just wrong

You are right. Cedillo has declared victory even though he lost. Arnold has said all along the illegals license's have to look different than citizen's licenses. The Senator has wanted everyone's licenses to be the same. Typical liberal.


23 posted on 05/06/2005 10:27:19 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: Vaquero

my sentiments exactly


24 posted on 05/06/2005 12:58:39 PM PDT by television is just wrong (http://heidisblogs.blogspot.com/)
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To: calcowgirl
"A different license raises the potential for discrimination, for abuse, for exploitation," Francisco Estrada, policy director for the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund, said yesterday.

Illegal aliens don't seem to hesitate to whip out their Matricula Consular cards, which basically identifies them as being illegal aliens, in order to apply for services. Why would having an illegal alien show a driving document or certificate raise the potential for discrimination, abuse, or exploitation?

25 posted on 05/06/2005 1:49:07 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: gubamyster; All
FYI:

 MVA taken to task for offending law breakers -- Any alien that wants to drive legally on US soil can apply for an Internationl Drivers License.
This will be honored, for the purposes of driving, by all US police officers.
From the Dept of Transportation website http://ntl.bts.gov/faq/intdl.html : The International Drivers' indicates that a person has a valid drivers' license in their home country and is allowed to drive in the U.S. People who need to drive in the U.S., but are not legal residents can apply for it before they leave home.
Any alien that needs another form of ID can use their passport. These are accepted by everyone as a verified form of id.


( This, of course, applies to legal aliens... )

26 posted on 05/06/2005 1:56:32 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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