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CA: Experts split on legality of state creating border patrol
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | May 6, 2005 | Ed Mendel

Posted on 05/06/2005 6:41:57 AM PDT by calcowgirl

SACRAMENTO – Legal experts had mixed views yesterday about whether the courts would allow California to create a border patrol to control illegal immigration, if voters approved a proposed initiative next year.

And a federal agency fact sheet on a 1996 law that allows state and local police to enforce immigration law says the officers do not become full-time immigration officers and do not conduct immigration sweeps.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he hasn't read the proposed initiative, but in a brief reply to a question at a news conference he said he would push for a comprehensive federal solution to illegal immigration.

The initiative was filed this week by Assemblyman Ray Haynes, R-Murrieta, and the group Rescue California, a Republican-oriented organization that helped gather signatures for the recall election that put Schwarzenegger in office.

Haynes also has introduced a proposed constitutional amendment in the Legislature, ACA 20, that mirrors his state border patrol initiative. Democrats have questioned the cost of creating a new state agency when the state is in a budget crunch.

An attorney for a large law firm in Memphis, Tenn., that represents immigrants and operates a decade-old Web site, visalaw.com, said creating a state border patrol is a "tremendous undertaking" with many problems.

"I guess legally it could be done," said Greg Siskind of the Siskind Susser law firm. "I don't know from a practical point of view how workable it would be."

An official of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, which has more than 8,000 members who practice and teach immigration law, said immigration is clearly controlled by the federal government.

"I don't think such an initiative (to set up a state border patrol) would survive a court challenge," said Jeanne Butterfield, executive director of the association.

Haynes contends that creation of a state border patrol would be authorized by a 1996 federal immigration law that allows state and local police to enforce immigration law.

A spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Section 287(g) of the 1996 immigration law allows state and local police to detain illegal immigrants who may pose a criminal or security threat.

But the state and local agencies must first negotiate a memorandum of understanding with the immigration agency, which then trains the officers and provides supervision and support.

"State and local officers do not become full-time immigration officers, and they don't conduct immigration sweeps," said a fact sheet on Section 287(g) distributed by the federal agency.

Schwarzenegger, who has praised the "Minuteman" volunteer border watches in Arizona, told reporters the issue of illegal immigration has been "kind of sidestepped" and he would push for more federal action.

He said the federal government should address "all of those issues – the guest workers programs, or if it is what to do with the people that are here illegally in this country . . . all of this ought to be addressed."

President Bush has made a broad proposal that foreigners and illegal immigrants be allowed to obtain permits to work here legally. What would happen when the permits expire isn't clear.

U.S. Sens. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., and John McCain, R-Ariz., have proposed that illegal immigrants who have a long work history can pay a fine, undergo a background check and eventually become eligible for citizenship.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; borderpolice; california; drugwar; gangs; illegals; immigrantlist; laraza; maldef; mecha; mexa; mmp; rescuecalifornia; smuggling; wot

1 posted on 05/06/2005 6:41:58 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

you do it and enforce your borders and when make the feds deploy an expeditionary punitive force against the governator....you get all that great public attention....and its incument upon all border states to do this and do it now........


2 posted on 05/06/2005 6:45:21 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An Armed Society is a Polite Society" Heinlein)
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To: calcowgirl
Will anything like this be even possible given the makeup of the courts?

Methinks the cart is before the proverbial horse on this one.

3 posted on 05/06/2005 6:51:15 AM PDT by G.Mason ( I am never wrong, but just in case I'm caught ... "Okay! I was wrong, but I thought I was right")
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To: Vaquero

It won't happen here. Our governor herself is a socialist alien.


4 posted on 05/06/2005 6:53:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: calcowgirl
[snip]

• MALDEF opposes immigration reform.

• MALDEF opposes securing the Mexican border even to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the U.S. When the Federal government launched ''Joint Task Force Six'' to combat drug smuggling along the border, MALDEF filed suit to halt the project arguing in court that ''it would cause irreparable damage to the human and physical environment in the area.'' What of the irreparable damage being done to the human and environment due to illegal aliens and drug smugglers? On that question, MALDEF is silent.

What is MALDEF's goal? According to Mario Obeldo, former head of MALDEF, ''California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who does not like it should leave.'' In 1998, Obledo was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Clinton.

Who is LULAC, MALDEF, MEChA/MEXA, and La Raza, pillars of the radical ''Hispanic'' lobby ?? click here

5 posted on 05/06/2005 6:54:11 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: calcowgirl

If the have legal "agricultural inspection stations" that all vehicles have to submit to when entering California (even from other states' borders -- not just across the international border) then why can't they have immigration inspection stations?


6 posted on 05/06/2005 6:59:43 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: calcowgirl
Legal experts had mixed views yesterday about whether the courts would allow California to create a border patrol to control illegal immigration

What would be the legal difference between this agancy and the California National Guard? Aren't they charged with protecting the state's borders?

7 posted on 05/06/2005 7:01:27 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: calcowgirl
States have the right and the duty to step in when the federal government isn't addressing the issue. Just like states should be able to with hold benefits from illegal aliens where this isn't mandated by federal laws. And unfunded federal mandates on the states like EMTALA should be repealed.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
8 posted on 05/06/2005 7:03:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: calcowgirl

Too many "Legal experts". Hire more state police and send them to the "high crime" border area. Call them lettuce police or something.


9 posted on 05/06/2005 7:11:51 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: FreedomCalls; calcowgirl

"What would be the legal difference between this agancy and the California National Guard? Aren't they charged with protecting the state's borders?"

EXACTLY!

And if Ahnold had the balls he would call out the California National Guard and station them just inside the border on the CA side. PERIOD!

All this talk, talk, talk is nothing but that, JUST TALK!

And I wish someone would explain to me why the CA Attorney General has not filed a lawsuit against the feds to recover the NINE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR that it's costing us to alllow the illegals to stay here!
Helloooooooo???

Semper Fi,
Kelly


10 posted on 05/06/2005 8:32:53 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: goldstategop
States have the right and the duty to step in when the federal government isn't addressing the issue.

FYI...Ashcroft made an attempt to get the criminal elements, but the DoJ was sued by LaRaza in 2002. Several other groups have also joined the lawsuit. I have not been able to find any info yet on the status of this lawsuit.

As the article states, has been a Federal ban on sanctuaries since 1996 but cities such as New York, Los Angeles, Houston, Chicago and San Diego refuse to comply, even under court order.

Although we should be punishing employers, some of the above cities even have city sponsored day labor centers that operate under a "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The illegals even receive free public education and free medical care at taxpayer expense; thirteen states offer them driver’s licenses.(See: ‘Sanctuary’ Laws Stand in Justice’s Way and The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave)

So to say that the FedGov is not attempting to address the issue is not correct.

11 posted on 05/06/2005 8:38:44 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: calcowgirl

The courts will not allow California to police its own state. Now I have heard everything.


12 posted on 05/06/2005 8:40:24 AM PDT by BJungNan (Check out http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Vaquero
you do it and enforce your borders and when make the feds deploy an expeditionary punitive force against the governator....you get all that great public attention....and its incument upon all border states to do this and do it now........

Not exactly sure I followed you on that but if you are saying the governor should do it and ignore the courts, I am with you 100%.

13 posted on 05/06/2005 8:42:12 AM PDT by BJungNan (Check out http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: calcowgirl; All
And BTW, where is our illustrious CA Attorney General?
Under his desk?


CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 5 EXECUTIVE


SEC. 13. Subject to the powers and duties of the Governor, the
Attorney General shall be the chief law officer of the State. It
shall be the duty of the Attorney General to see that the laws of the
State are uniformly and adequately enforced. The Attorney General
shall have direct supervision over every district attorney and
sheriff and over such other law enforcement officers as may be
designated by law, in all matters pertaining to the duties of their
respective offices, and may require any of said officers to make
reports concerning the investigation, detection, prosecution, and
punishment of crime in their respective jurisdictions as to the
Attorney General may seem advisable. Whenever in the opinion of the
Attorney General any law of the State is not being adequately
enforced in any county, it shall be the duty of the Attorney General
to prosecute any violations of law of which the superior court shall
have jurisdiction, and in such cases the Attorney General shall have
all the powers of a district attorney. When required by the public
interest or directed by the Governor, the Attorney General shall
assist any district attorney in the discharge of the duties of that
office.
14 posted on 05/06/2005 8:43:10 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: ravingnutter

We don't give a rat's arse whether the feds are "attempting to address the issue"
What we do demand is that GWB give off the dime, secure the borders and ports, fine employers who hire illegals, deport the millions of illegals who are roaming about America unabated and in short, start enforcing the immigration laws of this country. Hello?

Bottom line: it's called DO YOUR FRIGGIN' JOB, Mr. Presdient!
You wanted the job, now start doing it!

And questions?
I thought not!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


15 posted on 05/06/2005 8:50:22 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: ravingnutter

and yes I do know how to spell "President!" LOL


16 posted on 05/06/2005 8:52:15 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

That's good! The only way we know you're passionate is when you're too pist to spell straight!!! (hit 'em again... harder... HARDER!!!)


17 posted on 05/06/2005 9:03:21 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The "Heritage Oaks" in the Sierra-Nevada Conservancy are full of parasitic GovernMental mistletoe!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

:-]


18 posted on 05/06/2005 9:06:07 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


19 posted on 05/06/2005 9:08:17 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: kellynla
Ummm...dear, the DoJ is part of the Bush Administration, Ashcroft was appointed by GWB. Aschcroft instituted policy changes that would allow local municipalities and state governments to assist in border enforcement and deportation of illegals, but he was thwarted at every turn by sanctuary laws and lawsuits. Until we resolve that problem, we aren't going to get anywhere.
20 posted on 05/06/2005 9:17:45 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: kellynla

We, according to communist docturn laid down over 50 years ago, cannot achieve one world socialist government until the standard of living is equalized which called for ours to be lowered to 3rd world statis since they knew full well that there was no way to bring their standard up to ours.

Bush was raised to be a one worlder and everything he has done, including his appointments, further that goal.


21 posted on 05/06/2005 9:21:19 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: calcowgirl
Why the surge in interest by the Gub about illegals and borders?


22 posted on 05/06/2005 9:39:47 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: dalereed
Bush was raised to be a one worlder and everything he has done, including his appointments, further that goal.

Riiiiight...that is why he has challenged the UN at every turn, called them irrelevant, nominated Bolton, killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court and the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty (gun control), has told the UN to pack sand on the Kyoto treaty and went to war in Iraq without their approval. You need to wrap your tin foil hat a little tighter dear.

23 posted on 05/06/2005 9:41:33 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
Well "dear" LMAO
Are the borders secured? No
Are the ports secured? No
Are the MILLIONS of illegals in this country being deported? NO
Are employers who hire illegals being fined? No

And "border enforcement" and "deportation of illegals" are not the responsibilities of the local municipalities and state governments.

THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT ALREADY OWES THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA NINE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR for every year that illegals are allowed to stay here!

Let me know when you catch up, "dear!"
24 posted on 05/06/2005 9:51:56 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

You forgot his appointing La Raza's Gonzalez AG to make sure that none of our laws against illegals can be enforced.


25 posted on 05/06/2005 9:59:16 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed

"You forgot his appointing La Raza's Gonzalez AG to make sure that none of our laws against illegals can be enforced."

Exactly!

Thank you!


26 posted on 05/06/2005 10:01:19 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


27 posted on 05/06/2005 10:21:59 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: FreedomCalls
We DO have immigration inspection stations (checkpoints), but they've been unmanned during the Jorge Arbusto (GWB) administration.

INS Closes Essential Checkpoints Due to Insufficient Manpower

28 posted on 05/06/2005 10:51:34 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: JesseJane
Obeldo,Obelda,life goes on,blah,
La la how the life goes on...
29 posted on 05/06/2005 10:56:25 AM PDT by kennyo
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To: kellynla
Are the borders secured? No

Established ICE in 2003:

ICE Border Security & Immigration Enforcement Fact Sheet

Established U.S. Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology (US-VISIT), Student Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), and National Security Entry Exit Registration System (NSEERS)

Compliance Enforcement Unit

In fiscal year 2003, DRO detained more than 230,000 aliens and oversaw a docket of more than 800,000 alien cases. In the same year, DRO completed over 140,000 removals of aliens who had been issued final orders to leave the country.

Between March 1, 2003 and February 28, 2004, DRO removed from the United States more than 78,000 criminal aliens and an additional 68,000 non-criminal aliens.

In June 2003, DRO issued “Endgame,” a strategic enforcement plan laying out the division’s goals and vision for the next decade. “Endgame” aims to remove all removable aliens from the United States and eliminate the backlog of removal cases that have not been finalized, thereby reinforcing the integrity of U.S. immigration law.

DRO’s National Fugitive Operations Program (NFOP) is an initiative to apprehend, process, and remove aliens who have failed to surrender for removal or to comply with a removal order, with a special emphasis on apprehending criminal aliens. To this end, DRO has created a “Most Wanted” list of criminal aliens to solicit public assistance in locating the worst criminal alien fugitives.

DRO has also launched an Electronic Monitoring Device (EMD) pilot program as an alternative to detention for selected aliens. The electronic monitoring services are being provided by ADT at the following Field/Sub-Offices: Anchorage, Detroit, Miami, Portland, Seattle, and Orlando. Under this program, aliens awaiting immigration court hearings wear either a monitoring ankle bracelet or report telephonically to a case manager.

DRO recently announced the contract award selection to Behavioral Interventions, Inc. (BI) of Boulder Colorado for the Intensive Supervision Appearance Program (ISAP). BI will provide community-based supervision of 200 illegal aliens in each of the following eight Field/Sub-Offices: Baltimore, Philadelphia, Miami, St. Paul, Denver, Kansas City, San Francisco, and Portland. The program will closely supervise illegal aliens that can be released into the community to ensure their attendance at Immigration Court hearings and compliance with Court orders.

ICE Office of Detention and Removal

Are the ports secured? No

Secure Ports - What's been accomplished

Are the MILLIONS of illegals in this country being deported? NO

See: ICE Office of Detention and Removal link, above.

Are employers who hire illegals being fined? No

As of December 2004, ICE had collected a total of $2.13 million from Iowa egg producer Austin “Jack” DeCoster, who pleaded guilty in August 2003 to aiding and abetting the employment of illegal aliens at his facilities. As part of a plea agreement, DeCoster also agreed to a five-year compliance program allowing ICE officers to access his company’s personnel records and to make unannounced employee inspections at his egg production facilities.

On October 21, 2004, in Brawley, Calif., ICE arrested three Mexican nationals working at the Brawley Beef Plant after an investigation revealed that the men had used fraudulent documents and false statements to gain employment at the meatpacking plant. The arrests were the first under Operation Safe Cities, an interagency initiative focusing on critical infrastructure sites in the Imperial Valley region of California, including airports, defense installations and bio-agriculture industries. Thus far, Operation Safe Cities has resulted in the arrest of approximately 80 unauthorized workers employed on military bases, food processing plants, defense aerospace facilities and naval shipyards.

In March 2005, ICE announced that Wal-Mart had agreed to pay a global civil settlement of $11 million to the federal government as a result of this investigation. In addition, 12 corporations that provided contracted janitorial services to Wal-Mart stores between 1998 and 2001 and were alleged to have employed illegal workers agreed to enter corporate guilty pleas to criminal immigration charges and to forfeit an additional $4 million to the United States as a result of this enforcement action.

Worksite Enforcement

ICE Targets Texas Firm That Supplied Illegal Workers to Restaurants in Six States – On March 14, 2005, two members of a Texas-based employment agency were arraigned in federal court in Grand Forks, N.D., on charges of conspiring to recruit more than 50 illegal aliens in Texas and supply them as low-wage workers to Chinese restaurants in North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio. Six defendants have been indicted in the case, two of whom have been charged with money laundering. The probe began in August 2004, when agents uncovered evidence that owners of a Grand Forks restaurant were forcing illegal alien workers to work 70 hours a week for $2 per hour. ICE agents ultimately arrested and convicted the owners. Further investigation led agents to a company called Texas Employment Agency, which was supplying illegal aliens to Chinese restaurants throughout the Midwest.

Guilty Pleas by New Mexico Restaurant Owners, $11 Million Sought -- On March 8, 2005, five of six defendants accused of money laundering, as well as hiring and harboring illegal aliens to work for substandard wages at their Albuquerque, N.M., Chinese restaurants, agreed to plead guilty to federal charges. ICE agents arrested the six individuals last year as part of a probe into the Grand China, China Wok and Great Wall restaurants. The indictments seek the forfeiture of more than $11 million in illicit proceeds that the defendants allegedly earned from this operation. The aliens exploited by the defendants paid $30,000 to $60,000 to Chinese “snakeheads” to be smuggled into the country, where they worked 60-hour weeks for little pay and no overtime compensation.

Operators of Restaurants in Five New York Counties Charged, $4 Million Seized – On Nov. 18, 2004, ICE agents in Albany detained 80 illegal aliens and arrested eight individuals who operated China Buffet restaurants in five New York counties. The leaders of this organization were accused of illegally employing Chinese and Mexican aliens for substandard wages and then using bank and investment accounts to launder the proceeds from this operation. ICE agents seized 50 bank and investment accounts as well as vehicles, real estate and other assets worth some $4 million. As part of the scheme, the defendants operated a tour bus to routinely pick up illegal aliens in New York City and transport them to Albany where they were housed and put to work.

Operators of 60 Gas Stations and Convenience Stores in Georgia Charged – On Nov. 9, 2004, an ICE investigation in Atlanta resulted in charges against 18 individuals for conspiracy and inducing and encouraging illegal aliens to reside in the United States. The primary defendants, Mansoor Karimi and his two sons, Malik and Ramzan Karimi, operated at least 60 gas stations and convenience stories in the Atlanta metro area that employed several hundred illegal aliens. According to the indictment, the defendants used illegal aliens to attain higher profits and undercut their competition by not paying the workers overtime and other employee benefits. The defendants paid their workers in cash and via paycheck, using fraudulent Social Security numbers. They concealed cash payments to their illegal workers often by inflating or fabricating vendor invoices. The indictment sought the forfeiture of millions of dollars worth of properties and bank accounts. ICE agents seized more than 25 properties and 50 bank accounts.

Firm Charged For Supplying Ilegal Aliens to Package MREs for U.S. Military – On September 30, 2004, the U.S. Attorney in Houston unsealed a federal indictment charging a Texas firm with providing illegal alien workers to a plant that packaged combat meals for the U.S. military. The indictment charged the Tollin Group Inc. (Remedy Intelligent Staffing), with conspiracy to falsify Employment Eligibility Verification Forms to conceal from the Joint Terrorism Task Force that it had illegally and unlawfully hired illegal aliens as employees to work for the Wornick Co. Wornick is a company that assembles the U.S. military's packaged food called MREs, or "Meals Ready to Eat." Wornick was the recipient of a $47.2 million contract to produce and deliver more than 1.1 million MREs between February and May 2003 to support U.S. military forces in Iraq. Ten Remedy temporary employees, who worked at Wornick and were also indicted in July 2004, have been arrested and convicted of the misdemeanor offense of fraud in connection with the unlawful possession of a false Social Security number following guilty pleas.

Selected Worksite Cases

For further information:

ICE Fact Sheets

Ummmm...now be sure and let me know when YOU catch up.

30 posted on 05/06/2005 11:12:26 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: TERMINATTOR
INS Closes Essential Checkpoints Due to Insufficient Manpower

I'm stunned! This has got to stop.

31 posted on 05/06/2005 11:14:18 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: ravingnutter
Sorry you wasted so much time...
But the borders are not secured, the ports are not secured, millions of illegals(conservative figures TEN MILLION) are roaming about the country and it's costing those of us who live, work and pay taxes in CA alone NINE BILLION A YEAR!



You can tap dance around the issues all you like but the numbers don't lie!
Ten million illegals, ten million illegals, ten million illegals
And $9,000,000! yep that's 6 zeros and a NINE!

Put your ICE on that! LMAO

cyaaaaaaaa
32 posted on 05/06/2005 11:23:54 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: dalereed
You forgot his appointing La Raza's Gonzalez AG to make sure that none of our laws against illegals can be enforced.

Oh really now...found these in a search:

While Mr. Gonzales's confirmation as the first Hispanic attorney general buoyed many Hispanics, he showed no sign in his remarks on Monday of backing away from the Bush administration's efforts to speed deportation proceedings for illegal immigrants. Under Mr. Ashcroft, the Justice Department sought to streamline the process for immigration judges to hear appeals in deportation and asylum cases, and Mr. Gonzales said the system was in need of further repair.

He said that the Justice Department and federal courts were "straining under the weight of an immigration litigation system that is broken" and that illegal immigrants facing criminal charges were receiving too many chances to appeal their fates. He urged Congress to move quickly on proposals that would expedite the process.

Source

The “inherent authority” finding of the OLC was confirmed and confused by a June 2002 letter from White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales to the Migration Policy Institute, in which Gonzales stated that “state and local police have inherent authority to arrest and detain persons who are in violation of immigration laws and whose names have been placed in the National Crime Information Center (NCIC)”.

Immigration Forum

33 posted on 05/06/2005 1:15:52 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

He's only refering to illegals with criminal warents againt them, hell will freeze over before he goes after the vast majority that haven't comitted a felony or the peoplew that employ them who are the big problem.


34 posted on 05/06/2005 1:20:11 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: kellynla

My only waste of time was talking to someone who chooses to ignore facts. Sure, there is more to be done, but you can't say we haven't made significant progress based on the facts cited. You have apparently convinced yourself otherwise and have closed your mind, but not your mouth...you remind me of some Dems I know.


35 posted on 05/06/2005 1:22:07 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: dalereed

Gonzales was only confirmed in February of this year, how do you know? Oh that's right, you ASSUME...ya know what they say about that.


36 posted on 05/06/2005 1:28:41 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

Being not ony a member but having served on the board of La Raza he is for taking the southwestern US away from us and making it a part of Mexico, and La Raza applauded his becoming AG.

Nothing more needs to be known about that POS!


37 posted on 05/06/2005 1:43:11 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: G.Mason

You have hit on a really good point. One of the main reasons that enforcement of immigration law is such a joke in California is because of the California legislature, California political correctness and the courts that preside over California. In addition, there is not enough court space, lawyers, judges and detention space to process all the illegals that are beign caught right now.


38 posted on 05/06/2005 3:13:35 PM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: Ajnin
" You have hit on a really good point ... "


Thanks for your reply in agreement. I see that separating the wheat from the chaff is a serious problem for most. One that the enemy Dimocrats exploit to full advantage.


Perhaps we need a better machine. One that separates the wheat from the B/S? ;)

39 posted on 05/06/2005 4:55:07 PM PDT by G.Mason ( Because Free Republic obviously needed another opinionated big mouth ... Proud NRA member)
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To: calcowgirl

After the great depression started and folks started streaming into california the mayor of one of the cities ( not even the governor mind you ) sent his police to the border of California to turn away US citizens attempting to enter the state.

Now we can't even have the state turning away foreign illegals.

Boy do times change.


40 posted on 05/06/2005 5:33:22 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: kellynla

Unfortunately, I believe that a lot of members of the California National Guard are in Iraq.


41 posted on 05/06/2005 5:44:11 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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To: ravingnutter

Here are a couple of facts...




"Our earlier case that the election made little difference was based on five assumptions. Non-defense discretionary government spending has increased under President Bush by more than twice the average of the last two Democratic presidents, and a huge new entitlement was initiated while his recent predecessors created none at all. Conservatives simply could make no case for him in regard to unnecessary government spending. Second, even on social policy, where the president has been much sounder, everyone agrees that the appointment of the next Supreme Court justice is the most critical policy choice. Yet, here, Mr. Bush has made it known that he wants to appoint the first Hispanic to the court, his White House counsel, Alberto Gonzales -- who is not a conservative.

No kidding he ain't a conservative, he is from La Raza.


source . . .
http://acuf.org/issues/issue22/041015news.asp

42 posted on 05/06/2005 9:15:15 PM PDT by TLI (. ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA,. .Minuteman Project, Day -1 to Day 8)
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To: kellynla
And BTW, where is our illustrious CA Attorney General?
Under his desk?

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Lockyer is Married to a young Latino rights activist/MALDEF attorney and making babies

43 posted on 05/06/2005 10:05:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: calcowgirl
Its not an expansion of government. Its actually a means of enhancing public safety. The first obligation of a government in a civilized society is to to ensure safe communities and enforce the laws. Especially immigration laws that are neglected. Even the Los Angeles Times Sacramento Bureau Chief, George "Slumberin'" Skelton, a committed Lefty, agrees the idea of a California Border Patrol is an idea whose time has come. Voters would approve it handidly and its not about the money - I'd pay whatever it costs to make sure enough 9/11 never happens again on our shores. California can once again be a trendsetter for the rest of the country.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
44 posted on 05/24/2005 12:40:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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