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INVASION USA Zogby poll: Americans fed up on illegal aliens
WorldNetDailey ^ | May 6, 2005

Posted on 05/06/2005 6:30:14 PM PDT by Founding Father

INVASION USA

Zogby poll: Americans fed up on illegal aliens

Majority against Bush plan for workers, 81% think local police should help feds

Posted: May 6, 2005 7:44 p.m. Eastern

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

A new opinion poll by Zogby International indicates Americans are hardly pleased with the Bush administration on the subject of illegal immigration.

The poll, cited on CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" program yesterday, noted a huge majority – 81 percent – believes local and state police should help federal authorities enforce laws against illegal immigration. Only 14 percent disagreed.

Voters were also asked, "Do you support or oppose the Bush administration's proposal to give millions of illegal aliens guest worker status and the opportunity to become citizens?" Only 35 percent gave their support, and 56 percent said no.

"A majority opposed illegal immigration," pollster John Zogby told CNN. "In fact, when you combine those two terms, 'illegal and immigration,' it really conjures up a considerable amount of negatives. And, in fact, we find that it's really across the board."

According to the report, the greatest opponents of illegal immigration are Democrats, African-Americans, women and people with household income below $75,000, those with the most to lose in the job market.

When it came to the status of the nation's borders, respondents were asked, "Do you agree or disagree that the federal government should deploy troops on the Mexican border as a temporary measure to control illegal immigration?" A clear majority – 53 percent – agree, while 40 percent disagree.

"The Minuteman program highlighted the fact that we need more tighter border security," Phil Kent of American Immigration Control Foundation told the network. "So I think these numbers again are good. It's a good civics lesson for the American people. It shows our elected leaders that we want action."

In summing up her report, CNN correspondent Lisa Sylvester noted, "So, while the public wants tougher borders, politicians are pushing to leave them open. A real disconnect."

Dobbs responded to that statement, saying: "The disconnect that you referred to, Lisa, between our elected officials and the people of this country is in no – on no other issue any more dramatic than on the issue of illegal immigration. The Zogby poll is just simply the most recent in a string of polls that show that the American people want their borders secure, they want immigration laws to be enforced, and to clean up what has become an atrocious mess on the part of our elected representatives serving better the interests of U.S. multinationals than the people who are working for a living in this country."

Within a week of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on the U.S., Zogby polled Americans on border security and immigration issues.

When asked whether the government was doing enough to control the border and screen those allowed into the country, 76 percent said the government was not doing enough.

Regarding future threats to the U.S., 72 percent of likely voters in 2001 said a dramatic increase in resources devoted to border control and enforcement of immigration laws would help reduce the chances of a terrorist attack in the future.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; immigrantlist; poll; zogby
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The invasion continues against the wishes if the vast majority of Americans. Politicians wanting to hold on to their power should take note.
1 posted on 05/06/2005 6:30:14 PM PDT by Founding Father
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To: Founding Father
One word...

Duh!

2 posted on 05/06/2005 6:30:40 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Bill Clinton's heart is blacker than the devil's riding boots.....................................)
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To: Founding Father

Why does anyone care what Zogby has to say?


3 posted on 05/06/2005 6:31:13 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: Founding Father

But to oppose illegal immigration makes us all bigots and racists...Oh my...


4 posted on 05/06/2005 6:31:49 PM PDT by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Who Dares Wins)
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To: Founding Father
Repubs had dang sure better be awake on this one !!

"It's judges and the borders, stupid"

5 posted on 05/06/2005 6:32:15 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: Founding Father

So when is the revolution?


6 posted on 05/06/2005 6:33:42 PM PDT by zzen01
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To: RWR8189

You beat me to it.

Zogby has been dead wrong for years, but suddenly we're supposed to believe it because it reflects beliefs on FR? I'm opposed to illegal immigration too, but a Zogby poll has no meaning.


7 posted on 05/06/2005 6:33:50 PM PDT by Terpfen (New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
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To: RWR8189
Why does anyone care what Zogby has to say?

The pols don't care about this because it interrupts their game of chicken over who can get the hispanic vote. Don't forget, the hispanics are now the minority in the USA. If we actually enforced the immigration laws it would hinder the pandering. But the losers will be the citizens of this nation. Three, maybe four more election cycles and things can drastically change so that the words "Republican" and "Democrat" become quite anacronistic.
8 posted on 05/06/2005 6:36:06 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Founding Father
Gotta love Bush, overall. But this is my big bug a boo with Bush.

Personally, I am real prepared to protest at the White House. "Close Our Borders". Never thought it would come to this.

9 posted on 05/06/2005 6:36:54 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Founding Father
We need to build a damn fence. No immigration policy means anything until we have a way to physically keep the illegals out...
10 posted on 05/06/2005 6:37:47 PM PDT by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: Founding Father
Zogby has a mixed record. In 2000 I believe he was the only one that saw the surge for Al Gore that almost cost Bush the election. In 2004, he made a fool of himself by calling the election for Kerry.

All of the pollsters were within a few points of each other and all of them were within a few points of the actual final result. I don't believe any of the nationally recognized pollsters missed the actual final result by over 5 points and I think that is pretty accurate.

I think this is interesting information and I imagine it is fairly accurate. I won't quibble if it is 57% or 62% support something (or don't support it). The poll paints a reasonably believable picture of how people feel.

11 posted on 05/06/2005 6:38:39 PM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: AGreatPer

I don't Blame you at all,


12 posted on 05/06/2005 6:40:12 PM PDT by cmsgop ( Proud Member of The Western and Zionist Capitalists Club.)
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To: johnandrhonda

Actually it would be cheaper and more effective to deploy incapacitating mine-fields. You know, like bouncing betty's or chemical incapaciatants. It would save the taxpayers a lot of money and do a better job of dettering the pond-scum that is heading north.


13 posted on 05/06/2005 6:42:44 PM PDT by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
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To: Founding Father

I'd like to see a Zogby poll asking what American's think of muslims in our midst.


14 posted on 05/06/2005 6:44:19 PM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: Founding Father
"The Minuteman program highlighted the fact that we need more tighter border security,"

We can win this, folks. The Minuteman Project has done a lot of good.

15 posted on 05/06/2005 6:46:32 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: Terpfen
Zogby has been dead wrong for years, but suddenly we're supposed to believe it because it reflects beliefs on FR? I'm opposed to illegal immigration too, but a Zogby poll has no meaning.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

Some facts are irrefutable.

16 posted on 05/06/2005 6:51:43 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 50 goals this season ( if there is a season)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

we should hire illegal aliens to build the fence
just to upset the unions


17 posted on 05/06/2005 6:54:29 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: Founding Father
So based on this epiphany, one may also determine that Americans are fed up with a worthless body politic and a judiciary hellbent on destroying America thru ignoring some laws while dispensing others like swatting American flies with a sledge hammer.

Me thinks they will not pay us mind and instead call us extremists and budget up for more CS gas, Kevlar, flash bang's, and speedy print no-knock warrant forms.

18 posted on 05/06/2005 6:56:06 PM PDT by blackdog (British cars, airplanes, furniture, and women.......Only the classics will do!)
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To: Founding Father

This will be Hillary's issue. She will run tough on immigration and the budget deficit. These two issues might be enough to let her sneak in. Of course, the MSM will ignore her positions on other social issues and instead beat the drums about illegal immigration, which this administration has unfortunately ignored.


19 posted on 05/06/2005 6:57:45 PM PDT by joonbug
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To: Founding Father

Zogby got it wrong...

95% is closer to the truth.


20 posted on 05/06/2005 6:59:24 PM PDT by msf92497 (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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To: blackdog
Me thinks they will not pay us mind and instead call us extremists and budget up for more CS gas, Kevlar, flash bang's, and speedy print no-knock warrant forms.

That's a better prediction than Jimmy the Greek ever came up with. Money in the bank!

21 posted on 05/06/2005 7:06:04 PM PDT by Founding Father (A proud "vigilante." My money goes to support Minutemen, not Republicans.)
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To: All

The first time I saw Natalie (not her real name but everyone said she looked like a young Natalie Woods) was at a crawfish boil at Bimbos. Natalie was thumbing meat out of the tails for etouffee with her right hand while sucking heads out of her left hand.

She looked up at me with the sweetest, most innocent smile ever seen at Bimbos and said “Hi!” It seems she had just moved out of her parents’ home on the Trinity River and come to Houston to live with her older sister and brother-in-law.

All Natalie had ever known was the river community. The river folk live on land owned by the Trinity River Authority and make a living supplying yellow cats to the restaurants and fish markets in East Texas. Some people say they build their houses out of wood they find floating down the river, but Natalie said her father traded fish to Oggletree’s saw mill for surplus building materials.

Natalie was in hog heaven living in Houston. For a girl reared on black beans, rice and backstrap, even a Big Mac was a special experience.

It didn’t take long for Natalie to hook up with Lance (not his real name), a journeyman electrician who had recently moved to Houston from Michigan. Like most Michigan-Americans he was superb at explaining to us how we did everything wrong in Texas. Especially irksome to him were our laws that permitted nonunion electricians to work on public buildings such as hotels and shopping malls.

Lance was a man of principles, foremost of which was that he would not unlock his tool box for less than prevailing union wage. After the federally related project for which he had moved down here ended, Lance didn’t unlock his toolbox very often. Natalie’s jobs at Children’s World and Wal-Mart made the payments on his mobile home and pickup truck, but not much more.

Under pressure from Natalie’s sister and some regulars at Bimbos, Lance finally agreed to consider jobs for a little less than union wage. But after awhile, instead of taking jobs he simply started complaining that there weren’t any decent jobs because the Mexicans took them all. He quickly learned all the code phrases such as crowded emergency rooms, lowering educational levels, disease, crime, welfare, cultural dilution, invasion, and most righteously, “illegal.”

He could have accepted a steady job with an electrical service company at which a friend of works, but he told owner that he wasn’t going to work for $18 an hour “changing light bulbs at used car lots.” He told Natalie he didn’t get the job because he didn’t speak Spanish.

Instead he talked Natalie into getting a higher paying job at one of the topless clubs outside the city limits that will hire 17 year olds to dance. Lance always appeared remorseful about Natalie having to do what she did, but he was adamant that it wasn’t his fault, it was the fault of the government for letting in all those Mexicans who took all the jobs.

Natalie doesn’t smile anymore. Her sister says Natalie still defends Lance to friends even though she knows that Mexicans aren’t the real reason Lance won’t get a job.

There are many Natalies in America today. Some are young children whose dead-beat fathers are a year behind in child support “because the Mexicans got all the jobs.” Some are parents whose grown sons have moved back home because “ the Mexicans got all the good jobs.”
Some are young men and women who are discouraged from attending technical schools or applying for entry level jobs because they have heard that only Mexicans are being hired.

But ironically, probably the biggest victims are those who are wasting their lives away complaining about Mexicans instead of getting jobs and building normal lives.




22 posted on 05/06/2005 7:11:05 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: Founding Father
I've already explained my theory on Bush's illegal immigration stance:

1) The CIA has warned the Administration that the Mexican government is in dire danger of being overthrown by a Hugo Chavez-inspired Communist insurgency.

2) Vicente Fox has insisted that without the "safety valve" of illegal immigration, unemployable Mexicans will throw their support to the Communists.

3) A Communist government in Mexico, allied with Chavez and backed by the drug cartels, would immediately become Al Qaeda's second home. Terrorists would be free to cross the border with even less restrictions than they have now, and also likely get free weapons and ammunition from the Mexican government.

4) By allowing virtually unrestricted immigration, Fox and Bush hope that potential revolutionaries will go to America, see the capitalist system in action, and be innoculated against Marxist lunacy.

5) Bush dares not breathe a word of this to the American public, who would rightfully wonder why they are expected to give up their jobs and cities to Third World trash just so Vicente Fox and his ilk can keep their palaces. Thus, we hear the silly excuses that the Administration is making.

6) The CIA evidently fears that a serious effort to close the border would lead directly to a revolution in Mexico. Therefore, Bush will never offer more than half-hearted support for any enforcement measures, and will act just as he has been - as if he is hoping the whole issue will just go away.

23 posted on 05/06/2005 7:11:11 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: bayourod

Yes, the entire border issue is about labor unions, and lazy Americans.

I'd continue, but I prefer to keep my posting abilities.


24 posted on 05/06/2005 7:21:44 PM PDT by datura (Fix bayonets. Seal and Deport.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

How about one simple explanation for the president: He's a globalist. No tinfoil required that way.


25 posted on 05/06/2005 7:23:01 PM PDT by datura (Fix bayonets. Seal and Deport.)
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To: johnandrhonda
How many of the millions of criminals invading the USA every year are killers or terrorists?

Nobody knows, and our president and AG don't care.


26 posted on 05/06/2005 7:24:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Never fear, I heard this morning that Kennedy-McCain is on the way to fix the immigration problems. Stay tuned!


27 posted on 05/06/2005 7:25:42 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: bayourod
But ironically, probably the biggest victims are those who are wasting their lives away complaining about Mexicans instead of getting jobs and building normal lives.

Pretty hilarious, coming from someone who has admitted to hiring illegal aliens to save money in the past.

28 posted on 05/06/2005 7:26:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster

U.S. Constitution Article 1 Section 8 Clause 15:

"The Congress shall have Power to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections

and repel Invasions;"


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


29 posted on 05/06/2005 7:27:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: bayourod

You are not much of a fiction writer. You better keep your day job, which seems to be as a hack for the liberal GOP establishemnt.


30 posted on 05/06/2005 7:28:31 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: bayourod


RPTFLOL! Pathetic attempt at non-fiction.


31 posted on 05/06/2005 7:29:13 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Take a couple of pills, maybe you delusions will go away. If not watch out for those black helicopters.
32 posted on 05/06/2005 7:29:19 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Fox and Bush hope that potential revolutionaries will go to America, see the capitalist system in action, and be innoculated against Marxist lunacy.

So, they come here and still demand communist-collectivist freebies? Really, what's the difference. We still have a large enough chunk of them that will not succeed and fall victim to our own socialists here in this country. And another large chunk that will sympathize with any movement if it has a Latino logo on it.

This is certain cultural suicide. I'd say there is more hope with the other outcome, if your scenario were true.

33 posted on 05/06/2005 7:30:08 PM PDT by riri
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To: bayourod
That's very nicely written. I mean that. It could be the outline for a great novel.

The economics of this issue for workers are as simple as simple as supply and demand. Other things being equal, if the supply of workers is increased, the market price (wages) for workers will fall. Millions of illegal aliens cannot just be dumped into a labor market without depressing wages.

There are people who benefit from illegal immigration. Obviously, the employers who illegally hire them benefit because their costs are reduced. And, all of us as consumers benefit to some extent from those lower costs.

But American workers and taxpayers (particularly local taxpayers) are taking a bath. We just can't expect them to be happy about that. ;-)

34 posted on 05/06/2005 7:30:08 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Osage Orange

LOL. Indeed. To think someone thought a poll was required. What a waste of time and effort.


35 posted on 05/06/2005 7:30:09 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Take a couple of pills, maybe you delusions will go away. If not watch out for those black helicopters.
36 posted on 05/06/2005 7:31:00 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Travis McGee

This is a bad rap any way you slice it. If Bush doesn't hammer down on immigration, the media will continue these stories that say the country wants it done. And if he does hammer down, the media will do stories everyday on those cold heartless, racist republicans, and it will sway enough hispanics to never vote republican. It is an issue to be dealt with. But I fear it may cripple the republican party either way they go. The media will frame the opinions. It is truly sad.


37 posted on 05/06/2005 7:32:19 PM PDT by roostercogburn
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To: johnandrhonda
I prefer a canal going from the gulf of mexico to pacific ocean.
38 posted on 05/06/2005 7:34:29 PM PDT by dts32041 (Two words that shouldn't be used in the same sentence Grizzly bear and violate.)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
do a better job of dettering

While we're at it maybe we should make English our official language.

39 posted on 05/06/2005 7:35:58 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Never argue with an idiot, bystanders might not be able to tell the difference)
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To: RWR8189
Why does anyone care what Zogby has to say?

Uh, perhaps because he's right at least some of the time? Like NOW?
40 posted on 05/06/2005 7:37:54 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Rex regum et Dominus dominantium)
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To: HKMk23

Is he right because his poll agrees with your opinion?

I try to stay consistant and completely ignore anything Zogby releases.


41 posted on 05/06/2005 7:39:29 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: Travis McGee
Travis, well done posting the sections of the Constitution that require Congress to repel invasions.

I would like to think you saw some of my posts over the last couple of months stating the same thing.

I am glad to see at least one other "contitutionalist" at this forum.

It was also another nice touch that you posted FreeRepublic.com's logo stating the forum's motto:

"Defending Our Constitution."

42 posted on 05/06/2005 7:43:41 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: bayourod

Bravo!


43 posted on 05/06/2005 7:44:13 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: tahiti

ping


44 posted on 05/06/2005 7:44:46 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: Travis McGee; bayourod
Bayourod, consider editing your work of fiction. Maybe Natalie doesn't smile anymore because her sister has been missing for the past 6 weeks.

Crime in Mexico: Fear of captivity

Oddly enough, this article (June 2004) begins as follows:

"JUAN (not his real name) had a cruel May. In that month alone, seven of his friends and acquaintances were kidnapped, and three of those were killed."

45 posted on 05/06/2005 7:58:09 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Cornpone
But to oppose illegal immigration makes us all bigots and racists...Oh my...

And?...

46 posted on 05/06/2005 8:00:23 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Founding Father

If so many are opposed to illegal immigration, why do they elect so many politicians who are strongly in favor of it?

I only take polls seriously when they are reflected in the voting booth.


47 posted on 05/06/2005 8:13:19 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: johnandrhonda

"We need to build a damn fence. No immigration policy means anything until we have a way to physically keep the illegals out..."

I beg to differ. Land mines, lots of land mines. As for a fence, I suppose, but put plenty of sparkly glass pieces. As for those snotty hippies putting water fountains in the desert, add a little cyanide. Sounds evil, but I am fed up.


48 posted on 05/06/2005 8:17:50 PM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: Founding Father

When this open border policy goes awry, and it will, the proponents of it will face hell fire and damnation, one "George W. Bush" will suffer more than any other.

I am so sick of the gutless stance of our #@*&$% elected politicians I simply cannot state how I really, really feel, for FR does have standards of decorum.


49 posted on 05/06/2005 8:26:04 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: tahiti

I probably first saw those parts of the Constitution posted here on FR by you! So THANKS!!


50 posted on 05/06/2005 8:29:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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