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Illegals flow into Arizona like water through a broken dam
Manchester Union Leader ^ | May 7, 2005 | Renee Downing

Posted on 05/07/2005 5:09:05 AM PDT by billorites

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To: freedumb2003

The tide has turned. I'm planning to be on the border when the MinuteMen come to San Diego in June.


101 posted on 05/07/2005 11:19:25 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Dane

lol


102 posted on 05/07/2005 11:19:49 AM PDT by mthom
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To: Dane

Whatever.


103 posted on 05/07/2005 11:28:45 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: billorites
The Arizona Revised Statutes may give a hint as to what to do:

"26-122. Components of militia A. The militia is divided into the national guard of Arizona, the state guard when organized, and the unorganized militia. B. The national guard consists of commissioned officers, warrant officers, enlisted personnel, organizations, staffs, corps and departments of the federally recognized and regularly commissioned, warranted and enlisted militia of the state, organized and maintained pursuant to law, and all members thereof honorably retired by age or disability. C. The numerical strength, composition, distribution, organization, arms, uniforms, equipment, training and discipline of the federally recognized national guard shall be prescribed by the governor in conformity with the allocation of units to the state by the department of the army and the department of the air force of the United States. D. The inactive national guard consists of commissioned, warranted and enlisted personnel relieved from assignment to the national guard by the adjutant general, or at their own request, under regulations prescribed by the department of national defense of the United States, and not reassigned to another component of the armed forces of the United States. E. The unorganized militia consists of members of the militia not members of the national guard or state guard when organized. 26-124. Service by members of unorganized militia; volunteers during emergency; enrollment; selection; organizing selectees A. When the governor proclaims an emergency, and, upon advice of the adjutant general, determines that the national guard does not have sufficient troops to meet the emergency, the governor may authorize the adjutant general to accept for service from the unorganized militia a specified number of volunteers. B. If the governor deems an emergency of a nature that all or a large portion of the unorganized militia should be called into service of the state, he shall by proclamation order all members of the unorganized militia to enroll with the county recorder of the county in which they reside. The enrollment shall be in triplicate stating the full name, residence, age, occupation and previous service of each person enrolled. The rolls shall be verified by the enrolling officer who shall retain one copy and file one copy with the adjutant general and one with the clerk of the superior court of the county in which the person is enrolled. The persons called into service shall be determined by lot in accordance with a plan devised by the governor and implemented by him. The plan shall be patterned upon the latest selective service act of the United States and executive orders of the president issued to implement the law. C. Upon mobilization for state purposes members of the unorganized militia shall be organized under the command of the officer the governor designates into units comparable to units of the national guard."

104 posted on 05/07/2005 11:30:42 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: billorites

And it will soon become a tidal wave to eventually turn into a tsunami.

This open border lunacy has got to stop or we're finished as a sovereign nation. Good bye America. Good bye Western Christian culture. Hello undesirable alien cultures!


106 posted on 05/07/2005 11:36:49 AM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Dane

The real issue is not amenable to sound bites, which is why you guys never can make your point. We are not talking about the "Berlin wall" nor are we arguing about "a nation of immigrants." Nor are these concerns dismissable as "gloom and doom." Try critical thinking instead of cliches, and discover a whole new world.


108 posted on 05/07/2005 11:52:37 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: IslamoCommieObserver
Boot Hill was a fabulous FReeper; a stalwart and thoroughly informed advocate for our side. Regretfully, BH is banned from here.
109 posted on 05/07/2005 12:06:55 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: primeval patriot

A big part of the problem is American workers don't HAVE to clean bathrooms or pick crops in the sun. We provide welfare and all sorts of entitlements to people who don't deserve them. So they would be stupid to take a menial or low paying job and insist their kids behave and learn in school to better themselves. Thanks to the democrats we now have a welfare state and students who video tape their teachers.

I for one am tired of supporting the LEGAL citizens who don't want to work.


111 posted on 05/07/2005 12:18:19 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GET REAL: Prosecute employers who hire illegals=end of problem.)
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To: Know your rights

AMEN!


112 posted on 05/07/2005 12:19:02 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GET REAL: Prosecute employers who hire illegals=end of problem.)
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To: Dane

yOU'RE RIGHT.
However, they are the only ones. I do give them credit for their reporting on that.


113 posted on 05/07/2005 12:20:28 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GET REAL: Prosecute employers who hire illegals=end of problem.)
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To: IslamoCommieObserver

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


114 posted on 05/07/2005 12:50:17 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: onyx
Dane is a good FReeper

Thanks for the laugh.

115 posted on 05/07/2005 1:22:44 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill


FOTFL. Your welcome.
I'm so nice. :)


116 posted on 05/07/2005 1:59:18 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Dane
You all should really get off, and in this I mean, the addictive race baiting ways of tom tancredo rhetoric.

Can you give an example of "race baiting ways of tom tancredo rhetoric"?

117 posted on 05/07/2005 3:20:08 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: Dane
Don't you and travis have a bircher meeting to attend to.

Don't you have a La Raza meeting to attend to?

118 posted on 05/07/2005 3:21:48 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: billorites

Nothing is going to change. Cheap labor is the foundation of our economy. The socialistic economy we have built depends on a certain growth rate in population as well. Since we don't have enough babies we need the immigrants. Somebody has to pay for my social security checks.

This is just the way it is. As I've said many times before ... work at stoping all wellfare and build more prisons as we force these hispanics to become adapted honest Americans because keeping them out is not really an option.

Yes it's a crappy situation but reversing it is absolutely impossible.


119 posted on 05/07/2005 3:50:37 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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To: onyx
Boot Hill was a fabulous FReeper; a stalwart and thoroughly informed advocate for our side. Regretfully, BH is banned from here

If someone gave boot a copy of Dale Carnegies's book it would spontaneoulsy combust in his hands due to his and others on his side hubris.

Going to other web sites and crying like a two year old about the owner of this site is not a way "to win friends and influence people".

Oh well I guess grown adults crying like 2 years olds is a fabulous proposition to you, and thus you support it.

120 posted on 05/07/2005 4:43:41 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: IslamoCommieObserver
Look, you are new around here, let me tell you the deal. The small clique of open borders proponents are here to get threads pulled that they don't want seen by a great number of readers. Their MO is to incite race-based flame wars, which lead to the entire thread being deleted, or sent into exile in the "smoky back room."

These "freepers of questionable national allegiance" (FOQNAs) do not have the goal of defending American sovereignty. Quite the opposite. These "false flag freepers" have many motives, generally they are loyal to countries other than the USA, and they see our republic in the way a hungry wolf sees a juicey steak. Over time, they have all slipped up and "outed" their true motives. Some own property in Mexico, or have made a practice of employing illegal aliens to save money. Others have married illegal aliens, one has even declared that he is "Santa Anna's brother."

Sadly, these disloyal false flag freepers and their race baiting tactics are tolerated around here, for unknown reasons. So your best bet is to just understand them, and ignore them. After all, given the anonymity of the internet, they could be posting from Havana or Mexico City just as easily as from the USA.

121 posted on 05/07/2005 4:44:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: IslamoCommieObserver
This site is far overrated then

And so is your ego.

122 posted on 05/07/2005 4:47:27 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Travis McGee


That poster is already banned.


123 posted on 05/07/2005 4:50:42 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx
It's really a shame that disloyal Quislings are tolerated on a web forum which has the motto "defending our Constitution."

Unless they aren't Americans at all, but false flag freepers in the first place, loyal to countries other than the USA.

124 posted on 05/07/2005 4:52:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Dane

I liked Boot Hill.
I like you too.

I try to stick with the issue and not the personalities.


125 posted on 05/07/2005 4:52:41 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx

I don't like those who have the goal of destroying American sovereignty. Period.


126 posted on 05/07/2005 4:53:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee; IslamoCommieObserver
Look, you are new around here, let me tell you the deal. The small clique of open borders proponents are here to get threads pulled that they don't want seen by a great number of readers. Their MO is to incite race-based flame wars, which lead to the entire thread being deleted, or sent into exile in the "smoky back room."

You better listen ICO, to travis, for he is the self-proclaimed all knowing prognosticator of FR. Maybe his highness will grant us few pearls of wisdom from his upcoming book, but not to worry, he will, in spam.

These "freepers of questionable national allegiance" (FOQNAs) do not have the goal of defending American sovereignty. Quite the opposite. These "false flag freepers" have many motives, generally they are loyal to countries other than the USA, and they see our republic in the way a hungry wolf sees a juicey steak. Over time, they have all slipped up and "outed" their true motives. Some own property in Mexico, or have made a practice of employing illegal aliens to save money. Others have married illegal aliens, one has even declared that he is "Santa Anna's brother."

Where's the closest re-education center for me(this FOQNA) to report to, travis.

127 posted on 05/07/2005 4:53:45 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

Closest to you, Dane? Probably the Isla de Pinos, in Cuba.


128 posted on 05/07/2005 4:54:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

When we stick to the facts and the issue, we always win.

Real dumb to get into flame wars. I've seen the destruction and our side takes the majority of the hits.

I post with the lurkers in mind, and freely make known that I like folks on both sides... lol.


129 posted on 05/07/2005 4:55:18 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx

I agree about avoiding flame wars, but I still would never say I liked a Quisling dedicated to destroying this nation.


130 posted on 05/07/2005 4:56:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Closest to you, Dane? Probably the Isla de Pinos, in Cuba

No thank you, I don't need to go to your totaltarian idealogical brothers paradise.

131 posted on 05/07/2005 4:59:27 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Travis McGee; South40

I trust you got my mail regarding South40 wanting to volunteer with MM in June? He has a Jeep, AND I have already declared dibs on riding shotgun. :)


132 posted on 05/07/2005 4:59:45 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx
When we stick to the facts and the issue, we always win.

Not really, especillay when there are infinite posts about jailing and blowing up people who just want to do a job of dishwashing or picking vegetables on FR.

133 posted on 05/07/2005 5:03:38 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane


I've never seen those posts, and I certainly wouldn't rubber stamp blowing up people. Jailing them, yes. Deporting them, yes. Sealing the border, yes.


134 posted on 05/07/2005 5:10:44 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The thing that will eventually force a solution, whatever it turns out to be, to the illegal problem is the rising crime rate brought about by Mexican gangs. Hitler loosed the criminals on society to create unrest and demoralize society. The Communist do the same. Castro emptied his prisons and asylums on us. Democrats fight for the rights of the criminal scum as well as the killing of the innocent unborn and disabled. Is there a pattern here? Absolutely, and the sooner we stop fighting all the problems created by the left and start fighting the Democrats themselves, the sooner we will get back to sanity.

Amen! A quick reading of this thread and I find a rational, level-headed response. I tip my hat to you for that, for this is a subject that's hard to even discuss here.


135 posted on 05/07/2005 5:12:09 PM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: onyx; NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
I've never seen those posts, and I certainly wouldn't rubber stamp blowing up people. Jailing them, yes. Deporting them, yes. Sealing the border, yes.

Yes you have and know it. Here's one of many.

Actually it would be cheaper and more effective to deploy incapacitating mine-fields. You know, like bouncing betty's or chemical incapaciatants. It would save the taxpayers a lot of money and do a better job of dettering the pond-scum that is heading north.

13 posted on 05/06/2005 6:42:44 PM PDT by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961 [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

JMO, if the minutemen had their perfect world, they would be shooting at people whose crime is to take a job as a dishwasher.

136 posted on 05/07/2005 5:17:01 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: rdb3
for this is a subject that's hard to even discuss here.

All subjects are getting hard to discuss here.

137 posted on 05/07/2005 5:17:46 PM PDT by farmfriend (Send in the Posse)
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To: ProudVet77

At the rate this invasion is going the folks east of the Mississippi will know probably sooner than they can imagine.


138 posted on 05/07/2005 5:19:58 PM PDT by Isabelle
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To: Dane

No I haven't. That's the first one I've seen.
Dane, I do not hang out on these threads. I've posted on immigration threads more in the past week or so, than ever before, because I applaud the MM and I;m thrilled they're coming to San Diego's border in June, before I have to take off to live in Mississippi.


139 posted on 05/07/2005 5:20:08 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: onyx; Travis McGee
No I haven't. That's the first one I've seen. Dane, I do not hang out on these threads. I've posted on immigration threads more in the past week or so, than ever before, because I applaud the MM and I;m thrilled they're coming to San Diego's border in June, before I have to take off to live in Mississipp

Whatever, but for someone who says she doesn't hang out on immigration threads sure knows a lot about the minutemen.

Anyway, you can join them if you want to, nobody is stopping you, but like I basically said before, I think they do more harm than good with their bellicose swagger and think there energies would be more productive in trying to get real immigration reform, rather than sideshows for the media.

Yes that is hard work, and a lot harder work than knee kerkingly blaming people who just want to work and almost in a marxist way spitting at people who create wealth for this country(employers).

140 posted on 05/07/2005 5:28:20 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

U.S. Constitution Article 1 Section 8 Clause 15:

"The Congress shall have Power to provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections

and repel Invasions;"


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


141 posted on 05/07/2005 6:01:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
That's all well and good travis but according to a Fox/Opinion Dynamics poll a majority of people don't see, as you do, people washing dishes and making beds an "invasion".

Opinion is divided on eliminating public assistance, such as education and health benefits, to illegal immigrants and their children. Forty-three percent of Americans favor stopping public assistance for illegal immigrants, while 45 percent oppose it.

Even so, a 62 percent majority, including almost equal majorities of Democrats (65 percent) and Republicans (62 percent), favors allowing illegal immigrants who have jobs in the United States to apply for legal, temporary worker status.

Maybe let up on the bellicose swagger and accusing those who don't agree with you as "un-American" and maybe you can influence more people and win more friends.

BTW, you can put me in the 43% that says that non-citizens shouldn't get welfare benefits.

142 posted on 05/07/2005 6:11:08 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

Ive seen you claim to be against illegal immigration. If thats true why all the anger towards anybody who opposes illegal immigration on this site?


143 posted on 05/07/2005 6:53:35 PM PDT by mthom
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To: onyx
After reading this thread from beginning to end, I'm appalled to see that IslamoCommieObserver was banned while Dane was not.

From what I read, either Dane should have been expelled rather than IslamoCommieObserver, or both.

But what do I know, I'm just a newbie.

144 posted on 05/07/2005 6:53:47 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (H. Clinton: Be afraid, be very, very afraid...)
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To: Dane; Travis McGee; onyx

Dane,

Lady, would you please name one country in the whole wide world that doesn't control its borders, including any country that allows immigration?

If you have no answer to this simple question then quit accusing people of being what they are not.

Please name ONE such country without the why's and why-nots.


145 posted on 05/07/2005 7:02:45 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: mthom
Ive seen you claim to be against illegal immigration. If thats true why all the anger towards anybody who opposes illegal immigration on this site?

JMO, I think it is the hyperbole and pompousness of the strident anti illegal side. When I read hyperbole of businesses that produce good honest products and services being called criminal, when they already have enough regulations and roadblocks put in front of them because of govt., it makes me dismiss them.

Business ain't the problem, the govt. is.

146 posted on 05/07/2005 7:04:55 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: melancholy

would = could


147 posted on 05/07/2005 7:06:20 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: Dane

Just wish I saw you go after government inaction and complicity with the same vigor. Or any vigor.


148 posted on 05/07/2005 7:08:58 PM PDT by mthom
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To: melancholy

Dane, are you there?

Apparently you are, any country other than the USA? Google won't help because such country doesn't exist


149 posted on 05/07/2005 7:12:59 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: mthom
Just wish I saw you go after government inaction and complicity with the same vigor. Or any vigor.

You mean the vigor some on FR go after those "evil" businesses.

150 posted on 05/07/2005 7:14:23 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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