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With Republicans Like These, Who Needs Democrats?
The Covenant News ^ | 5/4/2005 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/07/2005 6:36:26 AM PDT by worldclass

Sad to say, even a cursory review of this record reveals the fact that the Republican Party in Washington, D.C., has become little more than a carbon copy of the Democratic Party.

Phillips writes, "Sadly, the GOP's elected and appointed officials conform themselves almost without exception to that which Mr. Bush espouses, including:

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2006elections; 2006senaterace; baldwinalert; biggovernment; bush43; chuckbaldwin; crackpot; gopmajorfailure; looneytunes; majoritywho; not1moredime; rino; term2

1 posted on 05/07/2005 6:36:28 AM PDT by worldclass
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To: worldclass

"Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II


2 posted on 05/07/2005 6:38:09 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: worldclass

Republicans have their voter base perfectly triangulated. As long as they toe the line on God, Guns, and Gays, they can do whatever the hell they want without fear of losing votes.


3 posted on 05/07/2005 6:40:48 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: worldclass

If Howard Phillips is a friend of Chuck Baldwin, then I will discount everything Baldwin has to say.


4 posted on 05/07/2005 6:41:00 AM PDT by pissant (Dead Terrorists are a good thing)
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To: Wolfie

Nope.Spending and illegals could be the death of the GOP.


5 posted on 05/07/2005 7:14:00 AM PDT by Gipper08 (MIKE PENCE IN 2008)
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To: Wolfie
I get the impression that Republicans view conservatives like the dims view minorties; "Who else are they going to vote for". They can throw out some red meat to the faithful every now and then, but if my impression is correct they have made a fatal calculation.

In my local republican organization people that have, for decades, given time and money to the party are disgusted to the point where they say they'll just sit out the next election(s) both working for the party and voting until the Republican's get the message. The figure that other than the WOT things couldn't be much different, especially with a divided congress.

The republican presidential contenders will all lurch right because that's where the base is. What will be telling is how far the nominee then moves to the mushy middle.

There is one condition that would negate this and that's if Hilliary runs. In that case the faithful would hang in, but not because of anything the Republicans are doing.

My two cents anyways.

6 posted on 05/07/2005 7:23:08 AM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Gipper08

I agree with you - if the Republicans don't get their act together and stop ignoring their base things could become very difficult for them.

I also like your tag line. I think Mike Pence is fantastic!


7 posted on 05/07/2005 7:32:23 AM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: Proud_texan
"I get the impression that Republicans view conservatives like the dims view minorties; "Who else are they going to vote for". They can throw out some red meat to the faithful every now and then, but if my impression is correct they have made a fatal calculation."

So, are you saying we've boxed ourselves in? We can't go extreme right because no one would take us seriously and obviously, ethics and convictions disallow any acquiescing to the left? Hmmmm...????

8 posted on 05/07/2005 7:32:39 AM PDT by sageb1
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To: freepatriot32

If the GOP doesn't get it's act together fast they will loose voters to the Libertarians.


9 posted on 05/07/2005 8:02:54 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/charterschoolsexplained.htm)
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To: traviskicks
"If the GOP doesn't get it's act together fast they will loose voters to the Libertarians."

Or the Constitution Party. When a stiff like Kerry almost knocked off Bush, some self-examination is in order. Guiliani, give us a break.

10 posted on 05/07/2005 8:18:36 AM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose..)
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To: ImpotentRage; Proud_texan; Gipper08

As a life-time Republican (and member of the local committee), I am sick that the elephants do little different than the jackasses. They elephants make big promises but then morph into donkeys once elected.

1. No Child Left Behind just gives more boost to the DOE...eliminate the DOE and get the Feds out of local schools.
2. Open borders and totally free trade just help the Mexicos and Chinas of the world while doing nothing for citizens.
3. Funding for Planned Parenthood, NPR and any other organization (even Conservative ones) should be cut off.
4. Why are we still in the UN?

Yet, the elephants do nothing. To quote a famous movie line:

"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore."

And that includes a run by Hitlery. The elephants need to show that they have balls of the same size.


11 posted on 05/07/2005 8:18:48 AM PDT by worldclass (www.massright.com)
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To: worldclass

Oh sheesh another rant from, GW Bush is the anti-christ, chucky baldwin.


12 posted on 05/07/2005 8:20:20 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

Dane

Great thoughtful post. Say HI to Lincoln Chaffee and Romney for me.


13 posted on 05/07/2005 8:23:23 AM PDT by worldclass (www.massright.com)
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To: worldclass
Dane

Great thoughtful post. Say HI to Lincoln Chaffee and Romney for me

You can have spineless wimp chaffee, as for Romney, he ain't half bad as he has to deal with an over 2/3rd's majority democrat and socially liberal taxachusetts legislature as Governor.

14 posted on 05/07/2005 8:27:33 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: worldclass

Chuck Baldwin? Good grief.


15 posted on 05/07/2005 8:27:36 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: worldclass
And that includes a run by Hitlery. The elephants need to show that they have balls of the same size.

Please. They don't need to show them, just use them.

16 posted on 05/07/2005 8:28:41 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: sageb1
There's no much "extreme" about the right I'm talking about. Republicans keep forgetting that they win elections when they are conservatives but they're trying (I guess) to lock up the mushy middle and the hispanic vote.

What my tag line says.....

18 posted on 05/07/2005 9:11:52 AM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: worldclass
All that and passing and signing CRF saying parts of it were unconstitutional but that the courts would fix it.

Along with NPR increasing funding for the NEA.

A total failure to exercise the checks and balances that the founders gave them to keep the judiciary in balance with the other two branches. Nothing but hot air.

What's most galling to be is that they take an oath to uphold the constitution, so help them God yet they can pass/sign legislation that they publically state is unconstitutional.

There's more than gonads missing, frankly they're reminding me of X-42 more and more every day.

After 40 years of giving them time, money and bleeding in the trenches if they can't fight for the Constitution I can't/won't fight for them.

19 posted on 05/07/2005 9:22:44 AM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: worldclass
With Republicans Like These, Who Needs Democrats?

With or without such "Republicans", they're still not needed.

(and wouldn't be dreadfully missed...)

20 posted on 05/07/2005 9:25:24 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: traviskicks
If the GOP doesn't get it's act together fast they will loose voters to the Libertarians.

I sure hope so :-)

21 posted on 05/07/2005 9:39:03 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change government support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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22 posted on 05/07/2005 9:39:31 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change government support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
23 posted on 05/07/2005 9:39:43 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change government support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: Gipper08
Nope.Spending and illegals could be the death of the GOP.

Not sure that spending is an issue. Even in a conservative forum like this, concern about government spending is rarely voiced. Now on the other hand, taxes ...

24 posted on 05/07/2005 9:44:25 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Proud_texan

"Along with NPR increasing funding for the NEA."

8 billion extra for the NEA. Viagara for seniors driving Jaguars. Medical plan to bust all budgets. Encouraging illegals to come in by promising amnesty.
Yeah boy!! Real conservative.


25 posted on 05/07/2005 9:47:12 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Wild Bill 10
"if the GOP doesn't get it's act together fast they will loose voters to the Libertarians. No WAY.

It is a real possibility. Right now, the GOP is run by fiscal liberal/social conservative politicians. This is out of step with most of the party, but the other option is the fully liberal democratic party.

The emerging power center in US politics are the fiscal conservative/social moderate groups such as the small "l" libertarians and the "South Park republicans". These groups vote GOP now, but as the party goes further to the left on fiscal matters and further to the right on social matters (morality police), the Libertarian party will look more attractive.

Hopefully these groups can convice the big "L" Libertarians to adopt realistic stances on national defense and border patrol. The party has it wrong now, but so does every other party.

Unfortuately, we are going to have to have power shift to the democrats to get the attention of the GOP. A lot of damage can be done in four years, but it is a short amount of time compared keeping the current incarnation of the GOP in power.

26 posted on 05/07/2005 9:55:50 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Dane

"as for Romney, he ain't half bad as he has to deal with an over 2/3rd's majority democrat and socially liberal taxachusetts legislature as Governor."

Living in MA, I tend to differ. He speaks up while in SC but does not lead the charge against the sodomites while in-state.

Furthermore, he appointed a very liberal Liet. Gov., Kerry-Healy, while stabbing a more conservative one, Rappaport, in the back.

great guy he is..


27 posted on 05/07/2005 10:03:48 AM PDT by worldclass (www.massright.com)
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To: pissant

"I will discount everything Baldwin has to say"


I would say that was a very wise decision.


28 posted on 05/07/2005 10:19:02 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: worldclass

Spending is probably not going to change tooooo much no matter who is in the majority - both Republicans and DemocRATs are addicted to getting reelected. They can say whatever they want during the election campaign, they change once they get in office. Who can blame them? It's a great gig. All kinds of perks for our elected servants.

I'm not critical of No Child... It is disgraceful that any child in the USA should graduate from elementary school, not to mention high school, not knowing how to read and add. The argument is whether the Feds should be in charge. Maybe, because IMHO, the inner cities where this travesty most often occurs are mostly democRAT machine cities, and someone needed to hold them accountable for their failing schools - the voters, indoctrinated democrats - certainly were not.

The borders and illegal aliens. A disgraceful situation, and I am more than annoyed that we can't defend our sovereign borders and contain immigration. No excuse for that.

CFR was and is absolutely shameful. Goes back to my point about Dems and Reps. getting into office, and securing their positions of power. Great gig if you can get it.

Enough. I can always find more to whine about later. LOL


29 posted on 05/07/2005 10:19:16 AM PDT by baseballmom
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To: Gipper08

"spending" ..???


With a $52 BILLION REDUCTION IN THE DEFICIT ..??

I think the illegal immigration issue needs to be correctly addressed. Even Arnold can see the writing on the wall.


30 posted on 05/07/2005 10:20:24 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: international american

Yup. Can you imagine what the frothing at the mouth would be like here had it been Clinton doing all this stuff? We'd be going nuts.


31 posted on 05/07/2005 11:06:47 AM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Hopefully these groups can convice the big "L" Libertarians to adopt realistic stances on national defense and border patrol. The party has it wrong now, but so does every other party.

In other words the "Libertarian Party" should stop being "libertarian." Since the republicans are the only people with "realistic stances," all libertarians should now switch and become republicans in the new non-libertarian republican Libertarian Party.

Hmmm.... and you believe this?

32 posted on 05/07/2005 11:06:48 AM PDT by jackbob
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To: Proud_texan

ROTF....I thing your Pogo tagline says it all : )


33 posted on 05/07/2005 11:40:52 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: worldclass

The best part of the column is the headline.


34 posted on 05/07/2005 11:42:14 AM PDT by FreeKeys (Running Condi in '08 will destroy the DemocRATS once and for all.)
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To: Proud_texan; RKBA Democrat

good point. pinging a "loyal opposition" FRiend to it.


35 posted on 05/07/2005 11:49:37 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: JeffAtlanta
A lot of damage can be done in four years, but it is a short amount of time compared keeping the current incarnation of the GOP in power.

Unfortunately, we don't have the time. How many nukes could be smuggled into the country in 4 years of Hitlery? How many cities are you willing to see wiped off the map?

36 posted on 05/07/2005 1:18:56 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: pissant

You should, regardless. I used to get his newsletter, but it became more and more hateful against the President. Practically called him the anti-Christ.


37 posted on 05/07/2005 1:20:58 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Hmmm; you don't think, with our porous borders, they can't be suggled in under Bush?


38 posted on 05/07/2005 1:27:53 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: DLfromthedesert
Hmmm; you don't think, with our porous borders, they can't be suggled in under Bush?

Of course. But at least we're keeping them busy for now on their home ground. Bush has publicly stated that Iran will not be allowed to develop a nuke.

Hitlery would just pull back and count on the world being nice to us.

39 posted on 05/07/2005 1:37:17 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

You have a point there. BTW, I meant "smuggled"


40 posted on 05/07/2005 1:40:05 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: traviskicks
If the GOP doesn't get it's act together fast they will loose [sic] voters to the Libertarians.

Already happening. I bailed on those Big Government goons after the post-94 cave-in.

I will vote for those with real principles, not just election ambitions, and think it will take real serious problems to broom these bastards.

So I'm waiting for that.

41 posted on 05/07/2005 1:44:23 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Proud_texan
After 40 years of giving them time, money and bleeding in the trenches if they can't fight for the Constitution I can't/won't fight for them.

Until you actually do stop donating to and voting for them, they don't give a damn what you think and can take you for granted.

So, have you stopped giving them money and votes yet?

42 posted on 05/07/2005 1:46:28 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Hank Rearden

Yup, and I was sure to let them know it.


43 posted on 05/07/2005 2:32:02 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Proud_texan

Voter by voter, they'll feel the heat once they join the Whigs in influence.


44 posted on 05/07/2005 2:34:25 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: worldclass
Sad to say, even a cursory review of this record reveals the fact that the Republican Party in Washington, D.C., has become little more than a carbon copy of the Democratic Party.

Truer words were never spoken. When you look at guys like Specter, McCain, Hatch, Santorum, to name a few. It's obvious they are NOT Conservative!

45 posted on 05/07/2005 2:49:21 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Unfortuately, we are going to have to have power shift to the democrats to get the attention of the GOP.

It doesn't have to come to that. Constitution and Libertarian Party members could use the GOP to their advantage, if they were wise.

How many people here realize just how mortally wounded the Democrat Party is? The party of the jackass is dying and aborting itself like there is no tomorrow. And rightist third parties can deliver the death blow once and for all if they use the GOP, then split off.

America is a two-party system. The only question is which two parties will there be?


46 posted on 05/08/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: rdb3
How many people here realize just how mortally wounded the Democrat Party is? The party... is dying and aborting itself like there is no tomorrow.

I am one of the people here who does not "realize just how mortally wounded the Democratic Party is." Their over all agendas are are not only accepted by most people, but even being furthered by the Republican Party. The traditional center line in the country between authoritarianism and freedom has moved toward more authoritarianism, of both left and right varieties. As I see it conservative and liberal visions of freedom are now lost in the bureaucratic and legalistic dust. I admit I may be wrong here, I have often missed the truth staring me in the face. So please enlighten.

...Constitution and Libertarian Party members could use the GOP...

How?

Keep in mind the Libertarian Party is not a conservative or rightwing party. It just has a conservative and rightwing agenda. Don't be fooled. I know, I'm a Libertarian.

47 posted on 05/08/2005 2:26:52 PM PDT by jackbob
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