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Immigrant Groups Fight License Bill
The Washington Post ^ | May 6, 2005 | Ray Rivera

Posted on 05/07/2005 9:31:55 AM PDT by seastay

Latino and immigrant support groups are mobilizing against the proposed Real ID Act, a federal law that would prohibit states from issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Immigrant support groups say Real ID would make roads less safe and could erode national security, not improve it.

"It will make millions of people that live in our nation hide even more," said Gustavo Torres, executive director of Casa de Maryland, a Latino advocacy group. "They are going to keep driving, keep working, but now they are going to be even more scared to participate in our society, to cooperate with police on crime issues."

Casa de Maryland, the National Council of La Raza and other groups hope to draw as many as 5,000 immigrants to a protest rally tomorrow afternoon at Richard Montgomery High School in Rockville.

State officials said they worry that the act would shift the burden -- and costs -- of immigration enforcement from the federal government to the states. Even states that already require proof of legal presence would have to revamp their systems to meet the more stringent requirements of the Real ID legislation.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates the legislation would cost states $100 million over five years to implement.

But Cheye Calvo, director of the transportation committee of the National Council of State Legislatures, said the costs to states could be five to seven times that.

"The cost of verifying these documents alone is incredible," Calvo said. "Then you have training, security standards, equipment, physical upgrades to the licenses, biometrics. This stuff doesn't come free."

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Myth; Illegal Immigrant support groups say Real ID would make roads less safe, Fact; Without real ID, there will be more uncontrolled Illegal Immigrants and more people on the road, as a result of states giving out license to all of the third world, therefore it will be more dangerous to drive, more congestion, more pollution and more gas consumption…

Myth Illegal Immigrant support groups say Real ID would erode national security, not improve it. Fact; Taken to the limit if the US has no accountable ID system or relies on foreign ID systems ripe with forgery and corruption and the anarchy that accompanies , this will and has eroded national security, as documented by the 9-11 commission report.

Myth; Real ID would make millions of Illegal Immigrants who live in our nation hide even more. Fact; Real ID act would allow law enforcement to identify the legal citizens from the illegal citizens better, so that picking out an illegal immigrant would be easier and make them accountable if stopped and would make it so they would be unable to hide anymore.

Myth State officials said they worry that the act would shift the burden and costs of immigration enforcement from the federal government to the states. The Congressional Budget Office estimates the legislation would cost states $100 million over five years to implement Fact, the states would save money on the long run by to not catering to illegal immigrants, it is estimated that California alone spends 10 billion a year in services which could be eliminated if there were a means to identity only those legal residence who were eligible for state services.

1 posted on 05/07/2005 9:31:55 AM PDT by seastay
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To: seastay
Latino and immigrant support groups are mobilizing against the proposed Real ID Act, a federal law that would prohibit states from issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Translation: Democrats are mobilizing against the proposed Real ID Act, a federal law that would prohibit states from issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

2 posted on 05/07/2005 9:33:44 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

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3 posted on 05/07/2005 9:34:49 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: seastay

What does Alberto Gonzales have to say about REAL ID?

Being as he and President Bush received accolades from La Raza for having the right heritage when he was appointed AG, will he be able to separate his constitutional duties from his personal beliefs?

Inquiring minds want to know. ;-)


4 posted on 05/07/2005 9:35:46 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: seastay

If they are going to have a rally to protest I think it would be a perfect opportunity for LA MIGRA to show up with transportation ready. One way ticket to Mexico.


5 posted on 05/07/2005 9:39:29 AM PDT by Sterco
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To: seastay

"Casa de Maryland, the National Council of La Raza and other groups hope to draw as many as 5,000 immigrants to a protest rally tomorrow afternoon at Richard Montgomery High School in Rockville."

I wonder if ICE will be attending this shindig.
Naah. They probably dont have enough folks to do catch and release.


6 posted on 05/07/2005 9:41:32 AM PDT by axes_of_weezles (Ha!)
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To: seastay
Latino

Is it latino or hispanic? Come on folks, decide on a name for your victim group.

7 posted on 05/07/2005 9:44:34 AM PDT by Flyer (If I were 8 pixels tall I could fit in my tag line)
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To: seastay

I am not exactly a big fan of any type of national ID. That said, if the "immigrants" are worried they will be caught, why not just come into the country legally instead?

ohh yeah, that would be to hard on the poor dears /sarcasm....


8 posted on 05/07/2005 9:45:08 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (I joined the EEEVVIILLLL Sam's Club on Friday, April 22nd, 2005.....)
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To: seastay

"Immigrant support groups say Real ID would make roads less safe and could erode national security, not improve it."




Puhleeze ! Like they are really concerned about security. It's all about THEM and their agenda.


9 posted on 05/07/2005 9:46:30 AM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: NormsRevenge
What makes you so sure that his personal beliefs are *against* this "Real ID" Act? Just the fact that he's Hispanic?

My son's nanny, who is a second or third generation US citizen of Mexican ancestry, and who moved out East from LA to take this job, is VERY opposed to illegals being in the U.S.

Who'd a thunk it, eh?

Of course, she also votes Republican, loves NASCAR, and is a passionate collector of all things John Deere ... so maybe she's just odd.

10 posted on 05/07/2005 9:49:38 AM PDT by cooldog (Islam is a criminal conspiracy to commit mass murder ... deal with it!)
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To: seastay
What part of ILLEGAL is it that these people don't understand?

ILLEGAL adj. Contrary to the law; not legal. See synonyms under CRIMINAL.

Stand up for OUR country. I only hope the Blacks in the USA understand how Hispanic ( Mexican political domination will effect them )Ever travel in Mexico--not to integrated, using the United States colloquial definition of integrated.

11 posted on 05/07/2005 9:49:52 AM PDT by BIGZ
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To: Flyer
Is it latino or hispanic? Come on folks, decide on a name for your victim group.

They also use:
Latino-Anerican
Hispanic-American
variations on the above
La Raza
chicanos

That is the problem; THEY can't make up their minds.
The LIGHTER skinned and DARKER skinned Hispanics have class and race issues that go WAY back to when they were all Indians and Spaniards. The mixture decides who gets on the T.V. soaps and news shows. Major duh -- gueros, ; morenos, no
The insertion of africans, that is, negros, is obvious to even us gringas -- they are lower on the, er, totem pole than even the poorest indio or indigeno.

Lol. It's all about RACE....that's why they LOVE it here. THEY can play their race card till the vacas come home and they will always win. Race trumps everything with our spineless, immoral, p.c. reverse-racist mentality.

12 posted on 05/07/2005 10:00:43 AM PDT by starfish923
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


13 posted on 05/07/2005 10:07:50 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: seastay
Immigrant support groups say Real ID [...] could erode national security, not improve it.

"It will make millions of people that live in our nation hide even more," said Gustavo Torres, executive director of Casa de Maryland, a Latino advocacy group. "[...] now they are going to be even more scared to participate in our society, to cooperate with police on crime issues."

So Gustavo admits that many illegals have valuable information about threats to national security (if they're not terrorists themselves). Interesting.

14 posted on 05/07/2005 10:17:15 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Flyer
Is it latino or hispanic? Come on folks, decide on a name for your victim group.

It's mainly law-breaking Mexican nationals, but it ain't PC to point that out.

The terms "Latino" and "hispanic" are sufficiently vague enough to be the terms of choice.

The other day I read an article that referred to illegal aliens as "people on the move".

15 posted on 05/07/2005 10:22:31 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver

One-third of the inmates in our country's prison are illegal immigrants.


16 posted on 05/07/2005 10:26:15 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc
One-third of the inmates in our country's prison are illegal immigrants.

I wish I could help you out, but most of my solutions are as illegal as they are.

17 posted on 05/07/2005 10:34:16 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: DumpsterDiver
most of my solutions are as illegal as they are.

No need for that; I'll bet for what we spend on services for the illegals we could build a doozy of a border wall.

18 posted on 05/07/2005 10:36:54 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
I'll bet for what we spend on services for the illegals we could build a doozy of a border wall.

It would be an excellent place to start. We already have a large pool of "willng workers" looking for gainful (albeit illegal) employment.

19 posted on 05/07/2005 10:42:25 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: seastay
"They are going to keep driving, keep working, but now they are going to be even more scared to participate in our society, to cooperate with police on crime issues."

Maybe I'm paranoid, but this sure does sound like a thinly veiled threat.

20 posted on 05/07/2005 10:48:48 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: seastay
Latino and immigrant support groups are mobilizing against the proposed Real ID Act, a federal law that would prohibit states from issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Lie. States could issue licenses to illegals, as long as they're not for use as identification, just as authorization to drive. In California, Assemblyman Gil Cedillo (D, Mexico City) wants to issue specially-marked driver's licenses to illegals, and has introduced legislation to do so. (He also wants to exempt illegals from the state's vehicle impoundment laws for unlicensed driving, which gives you an idea of how in the tank this guy is for illegals).

21 posted on 05/07/2005 10:56:12 AM PDT by John Jorsett (email: mistersandiego yahoo.com (put the at sign in between those two))
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To: gubamyster; All
Crosslinked:For "Thunder on the Border," click this picture:


22 posted on 05/07/2005 11:25:22 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: seastay
"The cost of verifying these documents alone is incredible," Calvo said. "Then you have training, security standards, equipment, physical upgrades to the licenses, biometrics. This stuff doesn't come free."

I am willing to pay my fair share plus some!

23 posted on 05/07/2005 11:27:45 AM PDT by JIM O
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To: John Jorsett

"He also wants to exempt illegals from the state's vehicle impoundment laws for unlicensed driving, which gives you an idea of how in the tank this guy is for illegals"

California, Assemblyman Gil Cedillo seems to be trying to hedge the outcome of the inevitable; his constituents, e.g Mexican nationals will not be allowed documentation other than passports and visas if they are to remain in the US.

However, his proposal would mean that legal citizens could loose there vehicles if driving without a license but people who are here illegal would be immune to such laws?

This is outrages to even suggest , but then again coming from Gil Cedillo perhaps expected!

Gil Cedillo (former member of the racial separatist organization MECHA) is the same guy that tried to pass a law to force legal residence tax payers to subsidize illegal immigrant CA auto insurance, in effect waving their obligation to pay while at the same time maintain that legal citizens cannot drive on California highways without buying insurance themselves


24 posted on 05/07/2005 11:31:37 AM PDT by seastay
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To: Mears
"Immigrant support groups say Real ID would make roads less safe "

How does a piece of paper make the roads more safe? Does it magically give them better driving skills? What a stupid statement.

25 posted on 05/07/2005 11:43:25 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: seastay
However, his proposal would mean that legal citizens could loose there vehicles if driving without a license but people who are here illegal would be immune to such laws?

Yep. His rationale is that illegals would have licenses, if only California would issue them, and that it's unfair of the state to demand that they have what they can't get. What gets me is that his fellow Democrats actually vote in favor of his lunatic proposals. If they had any fear of their constituents they'd think twice about going along with this moonbat. Redistricting reform can't come soon enough.

26 posted on 05/07/2005 11:46:32 AM PDT by John Jorsett (email: mistersandiego yahoo.com (put the at sign in between those two))
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To: John Jorsett

** THE ABSOLUTE PERVERSION OF THESE ILLEGAL PROMOTERS IS ASTOUNDING **
The fact that this crap can even remain on the table, or that any moron that suggests it can remain in office, shows HOW BAD OFF OUR STATE IS.

** THE INMATES ARE RUNNING THE ASYLUM **


27 posted on 05/07/2005 11:51:45 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: backhoe
KFI 640 (Los Angeles) responds:


28 posted on 05/07/2005 11:54:39 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: freedumb2003
KFI 640 (Los Angeles) responds...

That's a telling graphic- glad somebody "gets" it.

30 posted on 05/07/2005 12:02:21 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Thwse guys fight the good fight all the time.

You should have heard about how much trouble they went through to get "their" sign up. Anf KFI is a ClearChannel company!

You should listen weekdays: http://www.kfi640.com John and Ken are on 3:00 pm Pacific Time


31 posted on 05/07/2005 12:05:02 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: IslamoCommieObserver
"Why is the issue come to taking away Americans' freedoms to move about freely without being required to provide our papers?"

I guess they're redefining 'liberty'.

32 posted on 05/07/2005 12:05:05 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: seastay
"...said Gustavo Torres, executive director of Casa de Maryland, a Latino advocacy group. "They are going to keep driving, keep working, but now they are going to be even more scared to participate in our society, to cooperate with police on crime issues."

American lawbreakers find themselves in exactly the same situation.

34 posted on 05/07/2005 12:08:59 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: freedumb2003

Thanks- link saved.


36 posted on 05/07/2005 12:10:15 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: IslamoCommieObserver
Being 'popular' is easy, being right isn't always.

And being banned is a piece of cake.

Bitch about this site and its owner someplace else.

37 posted on 05/07/2005 12:22:35 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: seastay
The license is the key to US society. They know this.
38 posted on 04/12/2006 6:21:33 AM PDT by Red6
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