Skip to comments.Invasion of the iPod people
Posted on 05/07/2005 11:28:05 AM PDT by ambrose
I must've crossed over into Fuddy-Duddyville, because I do not understand the fascination with these things. I mean, I LOVE music as much as the next guy (I'm listening to Paris Cafe-type music right now), but to be plugged in like this at all times is a turn-off to me. I secretly hate my cellphone, too, but it was a gift from The Hub so I don't say that out loud. Ever.
And as a sleep aid? I need it absolutely black-out conditions and absolutely dead quiet to fall sleep. (Too many years of being a Mom and having one ear "on" at all times, I guess.)
That said, this article makes me think there is someone at Apple PR providing sexual favors to someone at the newspaper.
I don't know how many CDs you own... but let's say you own a hundred or so... imagine having that entire collection held inside a tiny device that weighs only a few ounces, can be taken anywhere with you, played in your car, on your home stereo, or while out on a walk?
The device automatically organizes your music by Artist, Album and even Genre.. That lets you have access to your most obscure and least-listened CD in a matter of seconds... As opposed to fumbling piles of CDs, pulling them out of their case, loading them up one at a time, and listening.
That's the iPod.
I traded in my cell for an ipod :-)
I love mine. I love it even more now that Art Bell is pod casting. I have mostly meditation music and audiobooks with a little music. I never leave him without it and if I do, I'm royally p'oed!
Yeah, I know what they do, even from way out here in Fuddy-Duddyville, LOL! My teen has one.
And yes, I do have too many CDs...and I still have a cassette player in my car with my 70's Rock tapes, and a VCR...and an old toaster oven, a Princess Phone with a dial on it (still works fine) and my old 8-tracks are still up in the attic...
I think you can see where this conversation is going, LOL! ;)
She even had it engraved! "Tre," as in tertiary.
Yeah, but how's the audio quality?
My impression is that they use compressed JPEGs or something -- in otherwords, not CD quality. Is this correct?
I also love listening to Audio Books. Have you looked at Audible.com? I have been very happy with Audible. As long as you stick to the two books a month deal, it is fairly inexpensive.
It uses compression technology, but I can't tell the difference. I doubt 99.9% of the population could either.
I know. But my Five Year Plan is to stash a lotta cash and be outta here and living in a remote cabin on about 10 acres in the wild and wooly woods of Wisconsin, where my only contact will be with Nature, and, of course, eventually, the ATF guys... ;)
(Think Scott & Helen Nearing, without all the radical communistic political overtones.)
I just use a I gig memory card on my PDA.
does the same job and get the high quality.
The audio quality is excellent! My music files are encoded at either 160 or 192Kbps. It thumps. And I can dock it to external speakers to share with everyone if I want.
I'm ultra-persnickety. I'd hear the difference. The quality issue is the only thing keeping me from being interested in the iPod.
I do the same thing, with a PDA I got for free as a door prize attending some event. I think I paid $75 for the 1G memory stick.
Is it as good as a CD?
I'm just going to have to listen to one of these things some time and see what they sound like. There's no denying the convenience and portability factor.
What I like about using my PDA as a music player is that it will allow my calendar program to pop in over the music and remind me about appointments or meetings.
I am very surprised MS did not emphasis this UNDER used feature of their PocketPC system.
I view the Ipod (and mp3 players, as just neutered computers. The Ipod more so since it is Itunes dependent)
The iPod comes with cheap headphones. I recently purchased Sony V600s, and the sound that comes out of them is outstanding. I suppose someone with ultra sensitive ears will claim to tell a difference, but I'd like to see Audiophiles who make this claim blindfold tested under lab conditions.
It all depends on the file, on my PDA i have CD quality if I want it. (usually only for certain songs)
I've got more than 3 times that many CDs at work, which is about 1/15 of my collection, then there's the LPs and cassettes. With half way descent organization I've got access to my CDs at least as easily as an iPod, and don't have to futz with things to listen to them in album order (which is generally better, at least with artists that have been around a while and know how to construct an album).
I see iPods as pretty handy for your casual music listener, but completely worthless for somebody like me.
Does the PDA organize the music by album/artist/genre/etc.? The iPod software is one the biggest selling point, in my opinion.
Working on my Shakespeare collection now.
My palm Tunsten E will also play MP3s. PDAs are very cool for the computer-saavy. For some they are impossible.
I don't have a negative view of music-only devices. The are the 21st century equivalent of the Walkman. If people are willing to pay for such, that's capitalism at work.
I like capitalism.
No doubt the headphones make a huge difference. But it's very clear to me that compressed audio just isn't the same as real audio. The dynamic range is audibly reduced as well as the detail in the top end. I don't perceive it as a trivial difference at all.
Of course, there are different degrees of compression. Some compression just totally kills the music, but I guess there are other types that are probably pretty transparent.
Like I said to rdb3, I'm just going to take a listen to an iPod some time.
As good as or better, but definitely not worse. Most files played from a CD in your computer are at 96 to 128Kbps. All of mine in my iPod are at 160 or 192Kbps. You will hear that difference quickly.
You can rip your CDs for that bitrate, and the iPod will play it just like that. Sometimes, however, ripping a CD at a higher bitrate won't make a bit of difference, especially with older CDs.
Is that an option on an iPod? Like can you opt out of the data compression in exchange for reduced recording time?
Some people hate to be alone with their own thoughts...not surprising when you think about it.
FYI, Audible is currently offering a 10 books for $120 "gift certificate". There is nothing to keep one from buying the certificate and then giving the certificate to himself. I've done that in the past.
But I gather that there's some compression in the storage/playback chain somewhere -- and my impression is that it's always "on" in an iPod. The compression can't be gotten around.
I'm guessing that even though the original file may have been recorded at a higher bit rate, the compressed version that gets stored on the iPod isn't at that high of a bit rate.
But I could be completely wrong on this.
You are preaching to the Choir.
I actually find the Pocket PC system is pretty simple I just like being able to carry more with me. Now if only they would make them super smaller into wrist size and then with an expanding or holographic screen.
sorry, I don't know.
"Some people hate to be alone with their own thoughts...not surprising when you think about it."
Never looked at it that way...but it sure explains a lot where my teen is concerned. ;)
I just bought one for my daughter for her 16th B'day.
It was cheaper than a car. So I love 'em.
Keep that in mind when you go to any college campus and about every third person has the white ear buds in.
Your teens are probably listening to iPods so they don't have to interact with you. (no offense meant, but I assume you know what I mean.)
I have no idea how it works, but Mp3 compression technology apparently gets rid of the parts of the recording that are not detectable to all but the most sensitive of ears.
Let's face it... most music these days is not "pure"... they've all been tinkered with during the recording to CD transfer process... especially older albums, which have been remastered.
I have an old Jazz album that still retains the scratchy recording sound. The only thing "authentic" about the experience is that it replicates the inferior recording technology of the 20s/30s. The person hearing it live back then didn't hear those scratchy noises, and I doubt the artist intended those noises to be present either.
Some questions, I see the iPod folks w/little ear buds.
I use a walkman, have a long bus commute, and am subject to a lot of bus noise. I bought high end earphones (big suckers) to drown out some of the outside noise so I wouldn't go deaf turning up the volume on the walkman.
1. Can I use other earphones w/it? I've never seen anyone w/anything other than the little white earplugs.
2. I listen to a lot of talk radio (hence the FReepername). I don't suppose they make an iPod w/a radio? I haven't seen one, but the young people I know who have iPods don't listen to talkradio, so they wouldn't be looking for this function.
I wear my walkman all the time, but until I can get something small, like a walkman, that has radio, I don't see me switching over to an iPod. I don't even use a portable cd player cause they don't fit in a pocket.
Yeah. My Dad (Sonny's GrandPa), likes to tease me in front of him that I went into my room when I turned 13, and didn't come out until I left for the Army at 17. Partially true. I DID come out for meals and phone calls. Had there been a slot in my door, meals wouldn't have been a problem, but of course, he never DID allow me to have my own phone; the Cruel Ogre! :)
Hmmmm, I wonder if they have pods in their cellars....
When you 'rip' your CDs into computer files (for an iPod owner, typically using iTunes) you have a choice on what format and what bitrate the resulting file will be. The iPod can play all the formats that iTunes can encode.
Looking at iTunes right now, I see that it can encode into:
It's all there in iTunes - just look in the preferences, at the "importing" tab.
I'm a pretty demanding listener, and I use AAC 256 to encode my music - I can't tell the difference between that and a CD. But if you are really a fanatic, go with Apple Lossless - it's exactly like the CD, but saves (by my memory) half the space.
Why don't you give it a try? Just go to the iTunes download page, install it, and try it out on some of your favorite music.
People with headphones on in public look like goofs.
No pair of headphones on earth can beat a good set of speakers so, what's the point? I mean, why engage in something half-a$$ed?
I'm comfortable enough with my own thoughts that I can walk places without distracting myself.
Those reason apply to iPods so I don't own one.
I live for my iPod. During a trip I took last month, I used it to cover the sound of snoring so I could drop off and fall asleep. :-)
Question on the Audible.com - On the two per month downloads - Are they like rentals or they purchases. In other words do you get to keep them?
Can you recommend any good meditation music? Here or private message. Thank you.
Deuter's Buddha Nature
Visionary Music's DNA series
Those are some of the best ones out there. I never did like Yanni. He's artsy fartsy new age. I like real spacey, granola crunching stuff :-) I also have a yoga series by Beth Shaw that I downloaded off of itunes.