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Parents' plea to Michael Schiavo: 'Tell us where Terri's ashes are
Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | 5-8-2005 | Philip Sherwell

Posted on 05/07/2005 11:22:02 PM PDT by kingattax

The family of Terri Schiavo, the severely brain-damaged woman who died in March after her feeding tube was removed, say that they have no idea where her ashes have been laid to rest.

Giving their first interview since the tube was removed at the request of Mrs Schiavo's husband, the family claimed on American television that he was keeping her remains from them.

Bob and Mary Schindler, and their surviving children, Bobby Jr and Suzanne, claimed that Michael Schiavo had ignored a court order that he should keep them informed about her ashes and plans for a memorial service.

Mr Schiavo had said that her ashes would be buried at a family plot in Pennsylvania.

The interview on Fox News on Friday night was the latest skirmish in the bitter battle between the two sides of the family, who waged a long-running court battle over Mrs Schiavo's end-of-life wishes.

"We still don't know where Terri's ashes were laid," Bobby Jr said. "They were court-ordered, they were supposed to tell us, but we have not heard from Michael Schiavo."

Mr Schiavo's lawyer, George Felos, could not be reached for comment.

Mr Schindler countered claims by the lawyer that his daughter's death was "gentle" with a harrowing description of her condition after 13 days without food or water.

"She was struggling to breathe," he said. "The inside of her mouth looked like a piece of meat in a meat market. It was like meat that had been left out for a while.

"It was reddish maroon because her mouth was dry and her lips were cracking from the lack of hydration.

"This cannot happen again. If anyone would have witnessed it, they would have been so appalled that they would never allow it to happen again."

He said it had been "gut-wrenching" to watch her deteriorate.

"People were misled that it was a peaceful way for her to die," he said. "All you could see was her cheekbones. Her eyes were sunken in her head."

Terri Schiavo, 41, died in a hospice in Florida on March 31. She had suffered brain damage in 1990 after a chemical imbalance caused her heart to stop. She left no "living will" in the event that she became disabled.

Mr Schiavo argued that she would not have wanted to be kept alive after court-appointed doctors diagnosed that she was in a persistent vegetative state with no hope of recovery. The Schindlers, however, disputed that those were her wishes and argued that their daughter would benefit from extensive efforts to rehabilitate her.

During the interview they referred to the case of Donald Herbert, the New York fireman who suddenly woke up after 10 years in a semi-vegetative state and spoke lucidly to his wife.

Mr Herbert, 43, was knocked unconscious by debris in a burning building in 1995, leaving him blind and mostly mute until last Saturday.

"We immediately thought of Terri," said Suzanne. "What if they had given up on him?"

Mrs Schiavo's case attracted international attention and sparked a heated political and ethical debate as a series of judges ruled against the Schindler family.

The US Supreme Court refused to intervene even after President George W Bush signed a law allowing federal courts to become involved. "The system is just atrocious," Mr Schindler said.

Her family said that they believed she had been the victim of violence when she collapsed at home and her heart stopped. They said that there was no proof that she had collapsed because she was suffering from bulimia, insisting that she had lost weight several years earlier.

Bobby Jr said that the family was only made aware in 2002 of a bone scan taken a year after the incident. This showed that she had broken ribs, vertebrae, femur and knees. Mr Schiavo said that she suffered the injuries during her early treatment.

The family has set up the Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation to speak out on behalf of others in a similar situation.

"Anyone out there, listening and watching, they should never ever let this happen to anyone else," Mr Schindler said.


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Terri Schiavo: her ashes could be in a family plot in Pennsylvania
1 posted on 05/07/2005 11:22:03 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

"This showed that she had broken ribs, vertebrae, femur and knees. Mr Schiavo said that she suffered the injuries during her early treatment."

I've heard Michael Schiavo claim this before. Frankly, it sounds ludicrous. I can remember hearing about people injured accidentally in hospitals in a fall or something, but this wholesale breaking of all these bones, including ribs?

It makes not a drop of sense to me that during physical therapy a person can have all these bones broken. That would be a multiple lawsuit. And we all know how Michael likes lawsuits.


2 posted on 05/07/2005 11:27:53 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: kingattax

Why am I not surprised?


3 posted on 05/07/2005 11:34:43 PM PDT by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, released in March. Buy it. I need new shoes. :))
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To: writer33

yep


4 posted on 05/07/2005 11:42:59 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

His credibility was shot with me a long time ago. My mother-n-law said, "they're burying her ashes in a family plot in Pennsylvania." As if what happened was all right. And yet, she wouldn't take the time to become acquainted with all the facts.

And all the while, there were articles that hinted that he wasn't going to tell squat. And therefore, this is no surprise.


5 posted on 05/07/2005 11:49:16 PM PDT by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, released in March. Buy it. I need new shoes. :))
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To: writer33

mikey schiavo has given "crud" a whole new meaning


6 posted on 05/08/2005 12:07:59 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax
I know many of us took the time to read the trial transcripts in which Michael planned to spend the rest of his life as a nurse helping Terri to continue to live. But once the money came he remembered her desire not to live this way.

The media did not try to discover the truth, and I now know for a fact that the MSM is propaganda and nothing more.

Terri will remain in my thoughts for the remainder of my life.

MURDER is MURDER and what the MSN says can never change that..

And if starvation is not painless.... try not eating for five days and talk to me again.

7 posted on 05/08/2005 12:22:44 AM PDT by highpockets
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To: highpockets

have em try "dehydration" too....thats worse


8 posted on 05/08/2005 12:26:30 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

If I said what I want to say, I would probably become the subject of an investigation. So, I won't say it.


9 posted on 05/08/2005 12:30:11 AM PDT by de Buillion (God bless John Moses Browning and the NRA)
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To: kingattax
Well, I can see this is going to go for another six months.

BTW, what's going on with OJ, Kobi, Laci, and the Lindberg baby kidnapping these days? We need to keep these stories alive for at least another millenium.

10 posted on 05/08/2005 12:39:19 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: kingattax

Evil heaped upon evil heaped upon evil.


11 posted on 05/08/2005 1:52:55 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke

YOU said it best.


12 posted on 05/08/2005 2:02:16 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: The Duke

Pinellas County Medical Examiner:
" Wow. This was so easy. I kept the Schindlers' observer away from the post
and simply used Terri's official Pinellas County Autopsy report
which Judge Greer gave me last week after he defied the Executive and Legislative branches.
Let me assure you that Judge Greer's report
which was written BEFORE we burnt, buried, and 'lost' all the evidence,
says absolutely positively nothing about abuse.
Everything was normal. Honest. [wink]
"



"Even a convicted murderer gets their last meal (and a drink of water) on the same day they die."

Worth repeating.


HEALTHFUL DRINKS WITH WARM MEALS SINCE THE ORDER-TO-MURDER-AN-INVALID BY JUDICIAL MURDERER GREER
Subhuman scumbag Torturer and Murderer-At-Will Pinellas County uncertifiedJudgenfuhrer Greer ..... 65
..................................................................... Terri Shiavo 0
...................................................................... Lee Malvo 49
................................................................. Scott Peterson 48

13 posted on 05/08/2005 3:22:00 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us")
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To: Diogenesis

Poor Terri. Poor Schindlers. As long as this kind of horror is still going on in this country -- dehydrating people to death, my GOD! -- and as long as the courts remain as evil and corrupt, this case MUST be kept alive.

Now. Let's see if Greer is as adamant to uphold the rule of his court ("the rule of law in this case is that she is GOING to die!") when it comes to Michael telling where her remains are. I bet he won't do a thing to make this scuz tell her parents where she is buried.


14 posted on 05/08/2005 4:05:04 AM PDT by Freepertwo
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To: Cobra64
Got any dead relatives?

Would you just shut up if you were denied access to your daughter's grave?

You and those who don't want to hear anything more about the Schindler execution are driven by shame.

You don't like being reminded of how you sneered and mocked as a helpless person was tortured to her death.

Deal with it, snake.

AV

Mock this- it's what was done to Terri Schindler as you stood by.

15 posted on 05/08/2005 4:43:36 AM PDT by Atomic Vomit (www.aroostookbeauty.com)
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To: kingattax
"During the interview they referred to the case of Donald Herbert, the New York fireman who suddenly woke up after 10 years in a semi-vegetative state and spoke lucidly to his wife. Mr Herbert, 43, was knocked unconscious by debris in a burning building in 1995, leaving him blind and mostly mute until last Saturday."

TOTAL BS!

He was in a coma. Plus, he was in a coma for 2 months, not 10 years.

And there is no such thing as "semi-vegetative" state. His condition for the last 10 years was similar to that of a stroke victim.

16 posted on 05/08/2005 5:37:02 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Cobra64
what's going on with OJ, Kobi, Laci, and the Lindberg baby kidnapping these days? We need to keep these stories alive for at least another millenium.

Hey, don't forget bug-eyed Jennifer, Gary Condit and Robert Blake.

17 posted on 05/08/2005 6:16:16 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: kingattax

Knowing him, he probably threw them in the toilet....


18 posted on 05/08/2005 6:18:26 AM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: kingattax

It appears that Michael Schiavo continues to be a very petty and vengeful man. Hardly a surprise.


19 posted on 05/08/2005 6:20:23 AM PDT by veronica (CP = Jeffords Republicrats...)
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To: robertpaulsen
Plus, he was in a coma for 2 months, not 10 years.

Do you like making up stories about Terri. Not even CNN or MSNBC has made the bogus claim that Terri was in a coma for 10 years.

20 posted on 05/08/2005 7:20:13 AM PDT by blueriver
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To: kingattax
So, Terry Schiavo was ordered by the court to die by starvation and dehydration. But, Michael Schiavo can blithely ignore a court order.

Why isn't the dear grieving widower hauled into court for contempt???

Anyone know what happened to the autopsy report?

21 posted on 05/08/2005 7:54:02 AM PDT by harpo11
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To: Atomic Vomit
You don't like being reminded of how you sneered and mocked...I don't know of anyone who ever sneered and mocked the situation.
22 posted on 05/08/2005 7:59:36 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: kingattax
Bobby Jr said that the family was only made aware in 2002 of a bone scan taken a year after the incident. This showed that she had broken ribs, vertebrae, femur and knees.

Complete horsecrap. Scans prove nothing. Autopsy is due out shortly it would be best to wait for the results.

23 posted on 05/08/2005 8:06:36 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: kingattax

Mikey continues with his power trip, creepy old Felos can't be reached for comment, and judge greer is off getting an award.
Laugh, you fools, one day many years in the future you will face judgment in the next world and then we'll see what you have to say for yourselves.
And hopefully, at that time, the Schindler family will be reunited around the throne in Heaven.


24 posted on 05/08/2005 8:19:44 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: blueriver

Terri?


25 posted on 05/08/2005 8:39:32 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: harpo11
"Anyone know what happened to the autopsy report?"

Not that you're going to believe it. Might just as well start discrediting it now.

(Hint: You can say you heard that the autopsy report will show _____. Then make up something.)

26 posted on 05/08/2005 8:42:53 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

That's right. Just keep on spinning and denying and making excuses not just for the rogue judiciary in FL, but for yourself as well. I just wish my denial wiped out my conscience. Life would be easier.


27 posted on 05/08/2005 1:39:36 PM PDT by penowa
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To: penowa

Learn to read.


28 posted on 05/08/2005 1:44:27 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
"Learn to read."

What should I learn to read? That he was in an almost, or sort of like, or nearly PVS all those years according to his MD's diagnosis after he awoke? (Before he started talking he was definitely PVS just like Terri.) Thank you for your brilliant suggestion and let me make a recommendation that you learn to think while you read. It could open your mind to a whole new world. Never mind, scratch the last sentence.

29 posted on 05/08/2005 3:16:52 PM PDT by penowa
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To: penowa
Your post #27 babbled something about the Florida judiciary when I was discussing this New York case. What did the Florida judiciary have to do with this guy in New York?

N-E-W Y-O-R-K spells New York, not Florida. That's what you should learn to read.

"Before he started talking he was definitely PVS just like Terri."

WHAT?

He was not in a PVS and was even able to eat and drink.

30 posted on 05/08/2005 4:21:13 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: I still care

bttt


31 posted on 05/08/2005 4:29:46 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: robertpaulsen

I take back what I said about learning to think about what you're reading. You need a remedial class in READING if we have both read the same materials on the fireman in N.Y. His doctor decided AFTER he woke up and started talking that he had only been "near" PVS; prior to that, for 10 yrs., he was diagnosed as being in PVS, which was also what court appointed MD's said was Terri's diagnosis. Also, he has had a feeding tube for 10 years. If this is not clear enough, don't bother me any more and I promise I will just ignore all of your future posts regardless of topic.


32 posted on 05/08/2005 5:00:36 PM PDT by penowa
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To: penowa
"prior to that, for 10 yrs., he was diagnosed as being in PVS

Find one, just one, article where it says he was diagnosed by a doctor as PVS for 10 years. And if you cannot, then stop comparing him to Terri.

"Joseph Fins, a professor at the Weill Cornell Medical Centre in New York, said that Mr Herbert appeared to have been in a “minimally conscious state”, rather than a “persistent vegetative state”."
-- timesonline.co.uk

"Also, he has had a feeding tube for 10 years."

Wrong again, Bucko. From the same source:

"When he regained consciousness, his speech was slurred, he was unable to eat without help and he was nearly blind. He could no longer remember how old he was or what his job had been and was unable to recognise family members."

33 posted on 05/08/2005 6:15:57 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
"Not that you're going to believe it."

Why aren't we a bit surly! Why whatever makes you think that?

34 posted on 05/08/2005 6:18:55 PM PDT by harpo11
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To: harpo11

Tell me I'm wrong.


35 posted on 05/08/2005 6:28:17 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: kingattax
the family claimed on American television that he was keeping her remains from them.

And these folks want remains why?

36 posted on 05/08/2005 6:30:55 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: robertpaulsen
How can I tell you that you are wrong since we haven't seen the report to judge whether your original premise is correct?
37 posted on 05/08/2005 7:22:38 PM PDT by harpo11
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To: robertpaulsen
Reuters 5/5/05: Dr. Jamil Ahmed, a physician at Erie County Medical Center, credited Herbert's family's unswerving belief that he would recover. Ahmed said Herbert had been "almost in a persistent vegitative state" when he began treating him 2 1/2 yrs. ago.

CNN.com 5/5/05 HEALTH: "Miracle" firefighter received experimental drug treatment: In the past several years, his condition had sunk into a near persistent vegetative state, Ahmed said. When asked what he anticipates in Herbert's future, Ahmed said he expects Herbert to speak more, to walk, and TO EAT.

Ahmed is his attending physician who gave him the drug combination. I doubt that Joseph Fins has ever actually seen Mr. Herbert with his own eyes. Many articles refer to Herbert as sitting all day in his wheelchair in front of a TV that he is unable to see due to his blindness, drooling all over himself. (Doesn't seem like he could swallow food if he can't swallow saliva.) Perhaps what Fins is referring to is a feeding tube when he says "unable to eat without help."

I think it is apparent we have NOT read the same articles. Fins was never mentioned in any articles I read and most had a Buffalo byline. Also watched the press conference with his family, the MD, etc. If you need more info, you spend your time "googling" it.

38 posted on 05/08/2005 8:05:09 PM PDT by penowa
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To: penowa
"Near" and "almost" don't cut it.

And Ahmed was referring to "eating unassisted". Mr. Herbert did not have a feeding tube.

39 posted on 05/08/2005 8:26:32 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: kingattax

How evil of Michael to deny Terri's parents access to her remains. I heard someone say, "well, maybe he hasn't had the memorial service yet?" One would have to wonder why he has not had the memorial service yet?

It is cruel to deny the parents access to their daughters remains.


40 posted on 05/09/2005 8:20:52 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (FR is so popular that people repost our thoughts on different message boards! It is an honor!)
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To: robertpaulsen
Please site some (any) source for your comments.

Sorry, but I SAID "near" and "almost." I see nothing in ANYTHING I have read that says Ahmed "was referring to 'eating unassisted.'" I gave you a quote from Ahmed and he said TO EAT. (no unassisted, no by himself, nothing but he hoped that Herbert would in the future be able TO EAT) If you cannot cite some sources for what you said, please do not bother me anymore because in all the reading I have done, I have seen NOTHING remotely related to what you are claiming and you have repeatedly given nothing but what are apparently your opinions, not facts with a source.

41 posted on 05/09/2005 9:35:08 AM PDT by penowa
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"Sorry, but I SAID "near" and "almost."

Fine. Say what you will. But then don't compare his condition to that of Terri's.

She wasn't "near" or "almost". She WAS in a PVS.

"you have repeatedly given nothing but what are apparently your opinions, not facts with a source."

That's a flat out lie. Retract it. I cited a source in my post #33. He was able to eat with assistance.

42 posted on 05/10/2005 4:34:09 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

You cited nothing in post # 33. Where can I go to read it other than your post here? Give me a link to your "facts" or it is nothing but your opinion.


43 posted on 05/10/2005 8:06:51 AM PDT by penowa
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To: Cobra64
I don't know of anyone who ever sneered and mocked the situation.

Let the drinking games begin! Please don't tell me you didn't see this thread, or the many others in which the WPPFF sneered and mocked the murder of Terri. How about this thread, that was started in support of Terri, and taken over by the WPPFF. They were exceptionally vile, and they posted with great frequency, on almost every Terri thread. It's not possible to have missed every single one of their posts. Here's another post mocking the murder of Terri. Oh wait, I'm sure you've seen that one. It's from you. So are this one and this one.

44 posted on 05/10/2005 7:17:39 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler <strike>Schiavo</strike> - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: RGSpincich
Complete horsecrap. Scans prove nothing. Autopsy is due out shortly it would be best to wait for the results.

Why were the bone scans taken in the first place if the broken bones shown on the scans don't prove the bones were broken?

45 posted on 05/10/2005 7:27:55 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler <strike>Schiavo</strike> - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Freepertwo; Future Useless Eater

The only "law" greer ever followed was his own. It went something like "The law of this case is that Terri Schiavo will die." Who remembers the exact quote, word for word? I'm sure I got pretty close.


46 posted on 05/10/2005 7:34:38 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler <strike>Schiavo</strike> - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: I still care

Are you a Dr. If not, than you have no idea what you're talking about.


47 posted on 05/10/2005 7:42:04 PM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: humblegunner
And these folks want remains why?

Did you ever hear of visiting a loved ones grave site? Or is that not a reasonable thing for them to want to do according to you?

48 posted on 05/10/2005 7:45:55 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: Cobra64

Why do you even click onto Terri Schiavo threads? Do you like showing this forum what a jerk you are? I don't suppose you'd be upset if Terri was your daughter and you'd have to live through hell watching her husband use the legal system to neglect and deprive her of therapy, and finally starve her to death. You would of course, not want to know where your daughter was buried either, would you? Fine then, but have the decency to get the hell off of this thread. It is pathetic and remarkable that anyone would be so cruel to parents not to share this information and I pity your inability to have compassion for the Schindlers.


49 posted on 05/10/2005 7:50:51 PM PDT by demkicker
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To: I still care

It takes a doctor to know whether multiple broken bones are a normal part of therapy, don't you know. /sarcasm

I wonder how long Terri will have to be dead before the WPPFF is satisfied.


50 posted on 05/10/2005 8:13:52 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri Schindler <strike>Schiavo</strike> - www.terrisfight.org)
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