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Latinos Rally Against Real I-D Act
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0505/226593.html ^ | 05/08/2005 | AP

Posted on 05/08/2005 10:59:04 AM PDT by 12 Gauge Mossberg

Rockville (AP) - Hundreds of Latino immigrants - many of them illegal - gathered this afternoon in Rockville to protest proposed federal restrictions that would deny driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

The federal Real I-D Act is part of the bill covering the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It has been passed by the U.S. House and endorsed by the White House. Opponents say the bill will likely pass in the Senate - maybe as early as next week.

Maryland is one of ten states that don't require applicants to prove they are citizens or legal residents. Still, several immigrants spoke to the crowd of about 400 of their struggles to get driver's licenses.

Supporters of the bill say it would make it harder for terrorists to slip through security unnoticed.

Many members of crowd carried signs reading: "We're not terrorists" and "America is a country of immigrants."


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1 posted on 05/08/2005 10:59:05 AM PDT by 12 Gauge Mossberg
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Illegals gather in one place, publicly, and what do the Feds do? Nothing, apparently.


2 posted on 05/08/2005 11:00:26 AM PDT by oolatec
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
1. This act shows the ILLEGALS ARE ORGANIZED - not happenstance or "seeking the good life".
2. Where is ICE? If the need 12 or more for an arrest to be "cost effective", where are they? Someone witnessing should call NOW!
3. Giving them a Driver Lic will drive AMERICAN TRUCK DRIVERS out of business - onshoring what was offshoring.
4. Isn't Drive Up Voting Still in EFFECT? If so NO LICENSE FOR YOU!
3 posted on 05/08/2005 11:04:07 AM PDT by -=Wing_0_Walker=- (Don't spit in my eye and charge me for eyewash!)
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To: oolatec

Love your handle ...

Do you need to be summed by the Locnar in order to post?


4 posted on 05/08/2005 11:05:50 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

5 posted on 05/08/2005 11:06:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I'm not that thrilled about a national ID card either... you don't have to be liberal to envision the power of government being used incorrectly. Remeber Janet Reno?

Paul from Atlanta


6 posted on 05/08/2005 11:07:46 AM PDT by paul_fromatlanta
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To: Grampa Dave

Do you know why he signed with an 'X'?

Because you simply can't spray paint your name on that little line.


7 posted on 05/08/2005 11:08:07 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
Many members of crowd carried signs reading: "We're not terrorists" and "America is a country of immigrants."

...but you are breaking the law.

'nuff said...

8 posted on 05/08/2005 11:08:33 AM PDT by THX 1138
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
PS - For the Democrats who say we cannot deport the illegals because there are too many - you eat an elephant sandwich one bite at a time. It has been said that the illegals, numbering a population equal to Pennsylvania, cost the taxpayers $68 Billion Dollars a year, That cost is one o th reasons why there are requirements to enter the US and the reason we have wide scale non compliance with the tax laws. If the Government can fund the illegals, they don't need my money!
9 posted on 05/08/2005 11:09:09 AM PDT by -=Wing_0_Walker=- (Don't spit in my eye and charge me for eyewash!)
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To: paul_fromatlanta
I'm not that thrilled about a national ID card either...

What would a National ID card give the gov't that they presently do not have with our Social Security number? What more information could they possibly gather that they do not have access to already?

10 posted on 05/08/2005 11:09:37 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar

You are bad!


11 posted on 05/08/2005 11:10:56 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg


12 posted on 05/08/2005 11:12:55 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: paul_fromatlanta
"I'm not that thrilled about a national ID card either... you don't have to be liberal to envision the power of government being used incorrectly. Remember Janet Reno?" Locate Plus has information on over 98% of the US Citizens, the IRS and FBI have that and more... worrying about what might be as opposed to reality and the safety of the country doesn't make sense.
13 posted on 05/08/2005 11:12:56 AM PDT by -=Wing_0_Walker=- (Don't spit in my eye and charge me for eyewash!)
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To: THX 1138
...but you are breaking the law.

Which laws can WE ignore? Tax laws? Gun laws?

I just want a list from the federal govt of the laws which "really count," and we have to obey, and the laws (wink wink) we can ignore.


14 posted on 05/08/2005 11:15:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
More on this rally:

SPECIAL REPORT: INSIDE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN RALLY, FR thread linking to Michelle Malkin's blog report on this rally. (She was there)

American Citizen Barred From Pro-Illegal Immigration Rally; Assaulted, Then Detained By Police, FR thread, of Michael Graham's report on this rally. (He was there, and the target of assault by the illegal supporters)

15 posted on 05/08/2005 11:16:32 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: -=Wing_0_Walker=-
For the Democrats who say we cannot deport the illegals because there are too many - you eat an elephant sandwich one bite at a time.

What do the Dems tell their union base about job displacement? "Well make it up to you eventually???"
16 posted on 05/08/2005 11:18:37 AM PDT by gipper81
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To: Travis McGee

Nice picture there travis, shows the target practice in a political sense, your hero tom tancredo was doing towards Tom Delay, by going to the liberal media saying Delay should step aside.


17 posted on 05/08/2005 11:19:08 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: paul_fromatlanta

It is a done deal.

Homeland security has been quietly closing the fences re Driver's Licenses in the past year.

My wife uses her Middle Name instead of her first name. That was no problem with California Driver's licenses for over 30 years, until last year. Her Driver's license with her initial for her first Name and her full Middle Name wasn't renewed as it didn't perfectly match her ss# and name from the SS office.

She had to got the Local Social Security Office to get an official name change on her card/number to reflect her use of the initial of her first name with her middle Name as the full and key name. Once her Social Security Card was revised and got in the DMV computer, she was able to renew her license.

She knows over a dozen women who ran into similiar problems like not listing their married names or getting a divorce and going back to their maiden name with their social security card showing a difference with the DMV. They, too had a fun visit of several hours to their local SS office to get everything to match.

So illegal aliens without a valid SS # or ones using another SS illegally are not getting drivers licenses or renewals.


18 posted on 05/08/2005 11:19:33 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg; Travis McGee; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP
Here in San Antonio the illegals demonstrate every day ....
19 posted on 05/08/2005 11:20:46 AM PDT by Tuba Guy (' Only YOU Can Prevent Hillary! ')
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
One final comment as I am happy they are PO'd for once instead of me. For those worried about a Nation ID, horror of horrors, it is bvetter than martial law. Remember the United States has a very large ARMY under the direction of the Commander in Chief, the President the Dems love to hate. A President could seize control of the country and that has not happened in our history The "worry" over a National ID is nonsense, almost ALL Hispanic countries have a "cedula" so they will be used to the idea.

Granted a National ID goes against our CULTURE, but the illegal immigrants have forced it upon us and changed our culture. Imagine if they were in control. That is a WORRY! I would hate to see the next change, martial law. Control and deport the illegals NOW!
20 posted on 05/08/2005 11:26:26 AM PDT by -=Wing_0_Walker=- (Don't spit in my eye and charge me for eyewash!)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
Hundreds of Latino immigrants - many of them illegal - gathered this afternoon in Rockville...

And no one gathered them up. Our goverment is really serious about this problem.

21 posted on 05/08/2005 11:26:55 AM PDT by BJungNan (Check out http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Travis McGee

That is one serious low-life. Scrapping the bottom of humanity that one is.

22 posted on 05/08/2005 11:28:46 AM PDT by BJungNan (Check out http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: gipper81
The UNON BASE? I was speaking to a member of IBEW in NY. Union jobs are now 5% of all construction in NY. I asked as I saw unskilled illegals building houses in VA Poor quality and the Americans were displaced

Based on my opinion, many Union leaders see the handwriting on the wall and are feathering their nests and leaving the members out to dry. Many oriental workers are brought to work sites, especially in Queens, and locked in the project until complete. That way no knows they are illegal (in this case orientals), the Unions cannot contact the workers to organize them and things get worse. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE UNIONS ARE NOT OUT THERE DEMONSTRATING AND BLOCKING WORK SITES.
23 posted on 05/08/2005 11:32:36 AM PDT by -=Wing_0_Walker=- (Don't spit in my eye and charge me for eyewash!)
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To: gipper81

Ooops make that 55% nstead of 5%.


24 posted on 05/08/2005 11:39:22 AM PDT by -=Wing_0_Walker=- (Don't spit in my eye and charge me for eyewash!)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

I'd go much further. It may require a consitutional amendment, but I think the apportionment of the House should only be based on the number of US citizens in a state.


25 posted on 05/08/2005 11:41:51 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

America is not a country of immigrants. It is a country of descendants of immigrants. Send em all back to Mexico, our jails are full of their hard work.


26 posted on 05/08/2005 11:42:16 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: BJungNan; Travis McGee
That is one serious low-life. Scrapping the bottom of humanity that one is

And no doubt so is this thugs hero, eminem.

But nary a word from you or travis, about that white guy promoting gang culture.

27 posted on 05/08/2005 11:47:23 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: -=Wing_0_Walker=-

Wing-O-Walker
>> Remember the United States has a very large ARMY under the direction of the Commander in Chief, the President the Dems love to hate. A President could seize control of the country and that has not happened in our history The "worry" over a National ID is nonsense, almost ALL Hispanic countries have a "cedula" so they will be used to the idea.

Granted a National ID goes against our CULTURE, but the illegal immigrants have forced it upon us and changed our culture. Imagine if they were in control. <<

I don't want to over-react. I'm not saying that a national ID is end of our way of life.

Nor am I worried about some sort of military dictatorship - we have the strongest most robust democracy in the world -look at some of the things we have endured. And I'm not worried about this President - the current administration has learned it's lesson about over-reaching on human rights.

What I am worried about is a kind of creeping governmental intrusion where it becomes more difficult for normal people to go from place to place without being tracked and having to justify why they want to visit a certain city. That's just not American. And it's more likely to be a Hillary responding to a "national emergency" that lets it happen.

And I don't doubt that people coming here from central America will adapt just fine - they are used to that sort of thing. I'm more worried about my Grandfather who is not used to it and my future grandchildren who I don't want to become used to it.

Paul from Atlanta


28 posted on 05/08/2005 11:52:00 AM PDT by paul_fromatlanta
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

Gee, what awful news. No more licenses for millions of illegal aliens cluttering up America. Real shame...


29 posted on 05/08/2005 11:55:01 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Dane; Travis McGee
Do you ever have an original thought in your head or is it simply easier to flutter around the illegal immigration threads parroting your tiresome Tancredo/DeLay squawking?
30 posted on 05/08/2005 11:59:39 AM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
Many members of crowd carried signs reading: "We're not terrorists" and "America is a country of immigrants."

They may not be terrorists, but they are lawbreakers. And yes, America is a country of LEGAL immigrants.

31 posted on 05/08/2005 12:00:09 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: Dane
But nary a word from you or travis, about that white guy promoting gang culture.

Wow, you came up with a total of one white guy! But I haven't heard anything about Eminem being involved in drug smuggling/dealing or doing a drive-by shooting. Have you heard anything about that, Dane the Agitator?

32 posted on 05/08/2005 12:08:40 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: oolatec

We are not A COUNTRY OF IMMIGRANTS, and have never been. We were a colony that became a Country. From about 1790 the majority of Americans were born here, they did not immigrate here. Or it could be said that a country founded by immigrants is different than one being INVADED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

What these Marxist are trying to do is to demean those that came here LEGALLY and equate them with ILLEGALS. Also, the immigrants of the past DID not get welfare, learned to speak the language, and gave up the culture and country they came from to become AMERICANS.

The illegal scum DO NOT what to become AMERICANS, spit on our flag, disgrace our culture, and try to find the quickest way to get welfare. They refuse to speak ENGLISH, and do no enforce the learning of it with there children. It should be considered child abuse not to teach your children ENGLISH. And not one ILLEGAL should get any benefit this country has to offer.


33 posted on 05/08/2005 12:09:43 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: Czar
Do you ever have an original thought in your head or is it simply easier to flutter around the illegal immigration threads parroting your tiresome Tancredo/DeLay squawking?

Uh czar, I didn't hold a gun to tom tancredo's head as he backstabbed Tom Delay for the glory of the lioberal media cameras.

tom tancredo did that all by his little weasly self.

34 posted on 05/08/2005 12:09:53 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
Hundreds of Latino immigrants - many of them illegal - gathered this afternoon in Rockville to protest proposed federal restrictions that would deny driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Somebody tell those folks that Federal Laws are enacted in Washington, DC.

35 posted on 05/08/2005 12:14:01 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Dane
Uh czar, I didn't hold a gun to tom tancredo's head as he backstabbed Tom Delay for the glory of the lioberal media cameras.

tom tancredo did that all by his little weasly self.

And you keep telling us about it over and over and over again. Your schtick is quickly getting old.

36 posted on 05/08/2005 12:32:36 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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AND THEY SAY THAT ILLEGLAS ARE NOT TERRORIST. This rally shows that they are not here to work, and that they will terrorize.


37 posted on 05/08/2005 12:44:50 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: Exton1
What laws do we get to break without any accountability? People who are criminals who just by being here are guilty of breaking federal laws and they want special treatment.
What kind of crap is that???
Do you get to break the laws that you want to ignore? Do you expect to be rewarded for being a criminal? Do you believe your rights override the laws of a foreign nation?
There are murder warrants out for 3,000 Mexican nationals that Mexico will not honor or take any action to enforce. These Illegals murdered US citizens and then fled south into Mexico. 50% of the prisoners in the jails of the southwestern states are illegals, mostly from Mexico.
The % of Hispanics on welfare and food stamps is twice the % of blacks and whites combined.
How can any rational person not think we have a problem? This criminal element is bleeding us dry. They cost the taxpayers of this country many of billions of dollars every month. If someone doesn't have the balls to fix this situation, sooner or later the citizens will. The politicians who want to stay in office are taking a new look at this situation. If you want to stay in office step up to the plate or get the hell out of the way. The citizens of this country are telling you that the problem will be fixed, one way or another, with you or without you and we don't care if you worship an elephant or an ass. Politicians, it is your constitutional responsibility to protect our borders. DO YOUR JOB!!!!!
38 posted on 05/08/2005 1:21:38 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Proud Nam Vet)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

The story behind the story here is the individuals / and /or groups who are responsible for these so called organized illegal immigration rallies.

Hint...IMO they really dont have that much to do with immmigration per se..but they are interested in promoting anything that undermines the overall long term stability and sovereignty of the US.

Im thinking ANSWER, MOVEON, any number of Soros funded splinter groups, Workers World Party, misc socialist and other Marxist groups...etc...most of which have probably quietly setup branch divisions directly within the LA RAZA / MECHA latino groups.

Would make the basis of a good investigative report IMO.


39 posted on 05/08/2005 1:25:33 PM PDT by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg
WOW! And they weren't arrested and deported BACK to Mexico?? Our government has failed us!! :(
40 posted on 05/08/2005 2:47:59 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Hodar

in fact, they have far more information now from any legal taxpaying citizen, then these driver's license requirements would ask for.


41 posted on 05/08/2005 2:51:07 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

Hey, INS and Homeland Security, hope you were there taking notes and photos preparing to deport the illegals.


42 posted on 05/08/2005 4:00:21 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: judgeandjury; Dane
"But nary a word from you or travis, about that white guy promoting gang culture.

This is all Dane has got.

It's really kind of pitiful.

43 posted on 05/08/2005 4:11:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
It's really kind of pitiful.

Especially since it is your only card up your sleeve, travis.

44 posted on 05/08/2005 4:17:33 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg; All
Crosslinked- click the bottom link for more annoying photographs:

  Thunder on the Border-- (Minuteman Project)
 

Illegal alien rally

The real agenda behind opposition to the REAL ID Act.

 

Illegal alien chant sheet

 

--more pictures here:   flickr.com


45 posted on 05/08/2005 4:27:10 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: paul_fromatlanta
What is the alternative? The only thing I can think of is "fix bayonets", defend the border and drive out the illegals. Then we can dispense with a National ID.

BTW, the "Where are your papers" routine was on AIR AMERICA Saturday; is that where you got this? I'd rather carry my ID than worry about illegals, jobs, gangs, excess taxes etc. Yes Hillary is a worry, but Hilary is a typical Dem chicken (two left wings, small breasts, two fat thighs). It is the left that is against the ID and they were the first to open the doors to set the stage for the current onslaught (Kennedy got rid of the National Origins quotas of civilized people.)
46 posted on 05/08/2005 6:10:53 PM PDT by -=Wing_0_Walker=- (Don't spit in my eye and charge me for eyewash!)
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To: -=Wing_0_Walker=-

>>What is the alternative? The only thing I can think of is "fix bayonets", defend the border and drive out the illegals. Then we can dispense with a National ID.

BTW, the "Where are your papers" routine was on AIR AMERICA Saturday; is that where you got this? I'd rather carry my ID than worry about illegals, jobs, gangs, excess taxes etc.<<

I don't know.... Heck, I've had a concealed carry permit for 20 years so and been through several backgroud checks so it won't effect me personally... but still it worries me. i wish there were a way to deal with ilegals without a National ID.


47 posted on 05/08/2005 6:16:14 PM PDT by paul_fromatlanta
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To: paul_fromatlanta
OK, no National ID cad. All males over 18 are now required to carry a Draft Card, as I recall. (Been there done that) I like the idea of Every One carrying a Draft Card, or the equivalent; lets call it Real ID. The illegals do not carry Draft Cards, but I bet they get the National ID or Real ID cards!
48 posted on 05/08/2005 7:44:07 PM PDT by -=Wing_0_Walker=- (Don't spit in my eye and charge me for eyewash!)
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To: -=Wing_0_Walker=-

I really don't mind having an ID card.... I just don't want it to be required to travel and I don't want it tied to gun ownership so that local police can see "hey you own a gun, we are looking for people with guns."

I also don't want to over-react - I expect this will happen and it wont bother me in practice... I just like to be cautious when it comes to individual citizen rights.


49 posted on 05/08/2005 7:48:46 PM PDT by paul_fromatlanta
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More on this story:

American Citizen Barred From Pro-Illegal Immigration Rally; Assaulted, Then Detained By Police Michael Graham's report (FR thread) on the incident.

SPECIAL REPORT: INSIDE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN RALLY Michelle Malkin's eyewitness report (FR Thread) on the incident.

Michelle Malkin's blog entry about this incident, including photos and interview with MoCo cop.

( LIVE THREAD) Michael Graham Will Blow The Doors Off Pro-Illegal Rally on Monday's Show FR thread.

50 posted on 05/09/2005 9:19:34 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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