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( LIVE THREAD) Michael Graham Will Blow The Doors Off Pro-Illegal Rally on Monday's Show
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Posted on 05/08/2005 6:16:00 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul

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To: beandog

Graham is playing tape of Montgomery County politician, Ana Sol Gutierrez saying (para) "You don't need to show any ID."


51 posted on 05/09/2005 7:39:39 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma

Does that mean from now on I can refuse to give any ID to the police and there's nothing they can do?


52 posted on 05/09/2005 7:41:56 AM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

[[Today we have IMO a similar form of "immigration;" foreigners coming here but leaving their hearts in the home country. Mexico is not the only nation involved but it is the most active.]]

Yes you are right, but there is no other country that is actively trying to steal part of our country like Mexico is doing by openly declaring that they are going to steal back the Southwest USA from us. They are capitalizing on the political correctness of Americans who they know that most will turn a blind eye to this for fear of being called racist. This is absolutely insanity at it's worst. If we are not willing to fight for our own country, then they will surely succed in this devious plot.


53 posted on 05/09/2005 7:41:58 AM PDT by JarheadFromFlorida
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To: davidosborne


54 posted on 05/09/2005 7:42:08 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: tgslTakoma
• Some individuals associated with MALDEF have demanded that U.S. citizenship be eliminated as a requirement to vote.

[snip]

• MALDEF successfully lobbied for passage of the ''motor-voter'' bill of 1993 that allows voter registration at welfare offices or when applying for a drivers' license; mandates mail-in voter registration and discourages States from verifying the applicant's eligibility or citizenship.

Source


AZTLAN LEADER QUOTES

"While I am saying this half serious and half joking, I think we are practicing la reconquista in California." ~ Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, Feb 2002.

"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of this." ~ Ernesto Zedillo, Former President of Mexico, speaking in Chicago, July 23, 1997.

"Mexico extends beyond its borders." ~ Vicente Fox, Current President of Mexico, speaking to a gathering in Milwaukee in July of 2001

"California is going to be a Hispanic State and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe." ~ Mario Obledo, President of the Californian Coalition of Hispanic Organisations, June 1998

"Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes..." "To the gringos in the audience, I have one final message to convey, 'Up yours, baby. You've had it, from now on.' " ~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are sh!tting in their pants with fear. I love it.... We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."

~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California."

~ Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party in front of 400 cheering Latinos at U.C. Riverside on January 14, 1995.

"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos... non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions" ~ Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount

"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. .. Through love of having children, we are going to take over." ~ Augustin Cebeda, of the 'Brown Berets', a militant Aztlan group at a violent rally in Los Angeles on July 4, 2000.

"Fair housing agencies report a surge in discrimination by immigrant landlords from many nations who refuse to rent outside their ethnic group." ~ Reported in Los Angeles Times, Nov. 21 2001.

"In an extraordinary political move, President Vicente Fox has announced the formation of a cabinet level agency to govern, protect and provide services to over 20 million Mexicans now living in Aztlan, a territory encompassing most of the southwest part of the USA. President Fox declared yesterday that he will personally lead the new agency he named "Consejo Nacional para las Comunidades Mexicanas en el Exterior" (National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad). The "Council" will consist of the president, most of the cabinet secretaries and a, as of yet unnamed, representative from Aztlan. This is a bold move that essentially extends the arm of the Mexican government into the territories it previously lost during the Mexican-American War of 1848." ~ Reported in "La Voz de Aztlan", August 7, 2002.

"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans." ~Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985

55 posted on 05/09/2005 7:44:50 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: JesseJane

According to what I read online last night, groups that rent MoCo Public School facilities also sometimes have to pay for the "rent" of (MoCo PS) security personnel, too. So, that could be what occurred in this instance. Just guessing, tho.


56 posted on 05/09/2005 7:46:49 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: JesseJane

I'm feeling kind of stupid this morning, but exactly what race are Hispanics. I was under the impression that they were considered white. Is there a new race that I don't know about?


57 posted on 05/09/2005 7:47:14 AM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: beandog

Civil rights violations by CASA thugs against Michael Graham, I would think. Maybe even same by MoCo coppers.


58 posted on 05/09/2005 7:47:58 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma

Good guess. Wonder if they hired legal citizens? If the Rent a Cop company hired illegals to do the job, then they too must be punished.


59 posted on 05/09/2005 7:48:57 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: beandog
Does that mean from now on I can refuse to give any ID to the police and there's nothing they can do?

Silly goose! That only applies if you are here in this country illegally.

Illegal invaders of this country have more civil rights than citizens do.

60 posted on 05/09/2005 7:50:36 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: beandog
BD, check this out:

Hispanics are not white. The law was changed to say so. I didn't know this either, or the lobbies behind this until a few days ago. Source

The original LULAC declared ''Mexican-Americans'' to be ''white,'' a part of the same race as European-Americans, and successfully lobbied both the federal and Texas governments to officially classify them as such. Nearly a quarter of a century later, LULAC's position changed. Beginning with Hernandez v. Texas in 1954 and finalized in OMB Directive No. 15 in 1977, LULAC succeeded in having the federal government recognize ''Mexicans,'' and all ''Hispanics,'' as separate from European-Americans and essentially ''non-white'' so as to be eligible for affirmative action programs.

61 posted on 05/09/2005 7:53:44 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: tgslTakoma

Thanks for URL of audio.


62 posted on 05/09/2005 7:54:13 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Love a Duck MOLLY MAUK)
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To: tgslTakoma

I got it. From know on if I get asked for ID I'll just say " ID, I'm here illegally, I don't need know stiking ID". I'll let you know where that gets me. :)


63 posted on 05/09/2005 7:54:54 AM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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Someone oughta send this to Rush. More exposure.


64 posted on 05/09/2005 7:55:22 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: beandog
My college bound daughter jokingly (maybe only half so) told me that she should leave this country and re-enter illegally at an illegal entry point. Then she could apply for special financial assistance for college.
65 posted on 05/09/2005 7:57:59 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: tgslTakoma

My husband just brought up a good point. How do we know that there weren't people, under cover, from the federal government there? I believe he's dreaming but I suppose he could be right.


66 posted on 05/09/2005 8:03:02 AM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: JesseJane

Does that mean that Spain is no longer part of Europe? What about Italians? I'm looking for some reparations here.


67 posted on 05/09/2005 8:04:27 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: beandog

Because the ACLU would never allow anything like that to happen.


68 posted on 05/09/2005 8:07:14 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: massgopguy

:)
I think you are out of luck. However, I believe anyone can join LULAC if you would like to help the cause. /s


69 posted on 05/09/2005 8:07:14 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: tgslTakoma

This is good accompanying story with the Minuteman founder who is a credential member of the Press being denied entry to an Illegal Immigration Town Hall Forum because he's been labeled a "security risk" and now wants the ACLU to defend his 1st Amendment Rights.


71 posted on 05/09/2005 8:08:29 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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Nutty, plain nutty.


72 posted on 05/09/2005 8:15:15 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: tgslTakoma

Graham says Casa de Maryland gets almost $1 million in taxpayer money from Montgomery County and the state of Maryland.


73 posted on 05/09/2005 8:22:26 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

We must do everything we can to make sure that Doug Duncan gets know farther than MC. He's done all he can to wreck MC, imagine the harm he could do as the Governor. I really hope that Michael does not let this drop.


74 posted on 05/09/2005 8:24:24 AM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx

illegal ping worthy??


75 posted on 05/09/2005 8:30:37 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Is there a chance that we can get a transcript from that rally??

They are promoting breaking the law / 'taking the law into their own hands', but, I think its important to put all comments into the context in which is was delivered. Then, that evidence can be used to classify the group conducting the rally, as a hate group that promotes illegal means to get their way. These groups should be put on the terror watch list. They are promoting domestic terror, IMO>


76 posted on 05/09/2005 8:34:47 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: JesseJane

I agree. The "No Justice, No Peace" cry seems to me to be a threat.


77 posted on 05/09/2005 8:37:28 AM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Montgomery County Police Headquarters
2350 Research Boulevard
Rockville, MD 20850

EMERGENCY 911 Non-Emergency 301-279-8000


78 posted on 05/09/2005 8:44:36 AM PDT by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: tgslTakoma

I hope Rush talks about this today.


79 posted on 05/09/2005 8:51:55 AM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: lizma

Yes, I forgot the SS was just following orders.


80 posted on 05/09/2005 8:52:32 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; ...
Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
Click to FR-mail me for addition or removal

They're only here to work the jobs Americans won't...right.

81 posted on 05/09/2005 9:15:30 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: HiJinx; All
More on this story:

American Citizen Barred From Pro-Illegal Immigration Rally; Assaulted, Then Detained By Police Michael Graham's report (FR thread) on the incident.

SPECIAL REPORT: INSIDE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN RALLY Michelle Malkin's eyewitness report (FR Thread) on the incident.

Michelle Malkin's blog entry about this incident, including photos and interview with MoCo cop.

Latinos Rally Against Real I-D ActTV report on this rally (FR thread), with no mention of the incident (of course).

82 posted on 05/09/2005 9:17:29 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: JennieOsborne; /\XABN584; 3D-JOY; 5Madman; <1/1,000,000th%; 11B3; 1Peter2:16; ...
I just called the Montgomery County Police Department, I was told that there is an "INTERNAL INVESTIGATION" regarding this incident, and they will not make any public comments about it.

PLEASE CALL MR. ERIC BURNETT, (240) 773-5030, he is in charge of Media Relations, I could only get his voicemail.... I want to know if the CHIEF ordered Mr. Graham to be DETAINED. They will not answer that question, and I think that is the CRITICAL question here.

If you can't get through on the direct line call 301-279-8000 and ask to be transfered.

83 posted on 05/09/2005 9:21:42 AM PDT by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: davidosborne

I don't believe for one minute that an internal investigation is going on. This is just the excuse they are going to use so they don't have to answer any questions.


84 posted on 05/09/2005 9:25:31 AM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: davidosborne


85 posted on 05/09/2005 9:25:39 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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* MICHAEL GRAHAM On Hannity and Colmes tonight !! (FIGHT ILLEAGAL IMMIGRATION)CALL Montgomery PD, MD

I just called the Montgomery County Police Department, I was told that there is an "INTERNAL INVESTIGATION" regarding this incident, and they will not make any public comments about it.

PLEASE CALL MR. ERIC BURNETT, (240) 773-5030, he is in charge of Media Relations, I could only get his voicemail.... I want to know if the CHIEF ordered Mr. Graham to be DETAINED. They will not answer that question, and I think that is the CRITICAL question here.

86 posted on 05/09/2005 9:25:43 AM PDT by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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To: davidosborne
I hope the WMAL listeners, and the Sean Hannity viewers (tonight's show will feature this story, with Michael Graham as guest) will pressure the daylights out of all the idiots responsible for this incident, and cause heads to roll and rules to be changed regarding a) government funding of illegal-supporting groups, and force Ana Sol Gutierrez and other politicians involved in supporting this event to publicly apologize (and resign?), and really shame MoCo PD leadership to do what we pay them to do. Uphold the constitution, fer cryin' out loud. An American citizen's civil rights were openly violated, in the presence of MoCo PD (and, dare I say, by MoCo PD), by a group that supports violation of US laws.
87 posted on 05/09/2005 9:31:25 AM PDT by tgslTakoma
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To: beandog
I'm feeling kind of stupid this morning, but exactly what race are Hispanics. I was under the impression that they were considered white. Is there a new race that I don't know about?

My understanding is that in Federal crime statistics that Hispanics are tracked separately from whites when they are victims of crimes but they are lumped together with whites when they commit crimes.

88 posted on 05/09/2005 9:32:00 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

I am not saying Mexico is like Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany was not totally corrupt. :)

And the German's had jobs.


89 posted on 05/09/2005 9:34:03 AM PDT by Isabelle
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To: jackbenimble

Does the Federal Government get to decide what is a race? They get to just make them up.


90 posted on 05/09/2005 9:39:43 AM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: jackbenimble
That is true:

[snip]

Under the 'La Raza' heading:

For example, La Raza demands an expansion of ''hate crimes'' laws claiming ''Traditional hate crimes against Hispanics have increased in number during the 1990s.'' What La Raza does not say is that such an increase is due to the flawed methodology employed by the U.S. government for reporting ''hate crimes.'' When ''Hispanics'' are victims of ''hate crimes'' they are classified as ''Hispanics,'' but when they are perpetrators they are classified as ''white.'' Any bias incident between a ''Hispanic'' perpetrator and a ''Hispanic'' victim, therefore, will be reported as a white on ''Hispanic'' ''hate crime.'' The number of ''hate crimes'' against ''Hispanics'' is naturally increased by such definitions.

La Raza condemns the ''step-up [in] immigration law enforcement significantly along the U.S./Mexico border and in the interior of the country'' claiming such activities violate the civil rights of ''Hispanics.''

La Raza has called upon the Congress to rescind the immigration and welfare reform acts of 1996 calling them ''a disgrace to American values.'' In addition, it has demanded another amnesty for illegal aliens from Central America coupled with this threat ''Our elected officials should not be surprised if their failure to act on reforms of these terribly unjust laws is met with a firm response at the ballot box.'' And U.S. citizens should not be surprised that those going to the ballot box for La Raza include illegal aliens and non-citizens.

Source: http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=912&terms=

91 posted on 05/09/2005 9:44:00 AM PDT by JesseJane (Close the Borders.)
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To: tgslTakoma

RICO!


92 posted on 05/09/2005 10:06:19 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: HiJinx

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


93 posted on 05/09/2005 10:25:37 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie; TheRightGuy; unspun; BillyBoy; Condor51; saratoga; NormalGuy; Land_of_Lincoln_John; ...

A shout to all Illinois residents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our Republican Politicians are ready to ram the Matricula Consular card down our throats and have Illinois recognize it as an acceptible ID.

Join our fight! chicagominutemanproject@hotmail.com

If not now when??
Will you be a good man who does nothing??


94 posted on 05/09/2005 11:40:04 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: chicagolady

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


95 posted on 05/09/2005 11:53:03 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Clemenza
RE: "Just a little history [about HTAs]"

Yes, thank you for the additional info. I noted that HTAs have long been part of immigrant lives here in the U.S.

IMO there is a difference today. Perhaps you can provide sources that document that HTAs were so important to the home countries' governments.

To wit, Mexican citizens here have "HTAs [that] support community projects such as street work, water provision, parks, bridges, ambulance services, libraries, sports facilities, and the restoration and building of churches." IMO that's taxation and given peer pressure, just how voluntary are these "group" remittances, I wonder.

There are an estimated 1500 "clubs" here in the U.S. and the Mexican consulates are active in organizing them. Was that true in the past besides pre-W.W.II Germany? That is, have foreign governments openly organized their citizens living here?

"The Mexican government has used its consulates in the United States as a vehicle to recognize HTAs as legal entities and work with them to channel funds to poor Mexican communities."

http://www.esri.com/news/arcuser/0205/remittance2of2.html

However, some citizens of Mexico living here choose to avoid Mexico consulate involvement owing to Mexican corruption even here in the U.S.!

96 posted on 05/09/2005 2:15:46 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Goo- goo- google, good bye!)
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To: SwinneySwitch
You know....yep, it's those few KEY words...like

"IS"

"SEX,"

and now, I guess,

"LEGAL."

.

lol - sheesh

97 posted on 05/09/2005 2:23:29 PM PDT by NordP (Keeping America Great - Rice/Hughes in 2008 ! -- What do you mean, she won't run?)
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To: All

Chris Core, of WMAL says he is going to shortly tell us what the MC Police say Michael did illegal. They also say they haven't decided if they are going to charge him.


98 posted on 05/09/2005 3:18:25 PM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: All

The cops are saying that Michael was a safety risk due to his shirt and "attitude". Disgraceful. No problem with illegals in our country. Their not a safety risk, just an American citizen.


99 posted on 05/09/2005 3:22:32 PM PDT by beandog (The only time I was wrong was the time I thought I was wrong)
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To: beandog

I wonder if I drive through Montgomery County with a bumper sticker that says "Deport illegal aliens." I will be detained as a safety risk (assuming I don't get shot by MS-13 first).


100 posted on 05/09/2005 5:18:29 PM PDT by Truth29
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