Posted on 05/08/2005 7:35:09 PM PDT by leepbutler
More accurately, he took BACK from evil, corrupt government (king) what BELONGED to the people, whom the KING had robbed!
He was simply turning the tables on the king and his minions.
Actually, isn't it mostly the "GG's" *parents* who put in F!%#$%!ing DR and all his communist ideas? Social Security? NRA? PWA? Withholding (so you don't notice how much the King is taking from you)? Largely, the "GG" was not voting age when FDR started all his tyrannical tricks.
Altho, I likewise disagree w/the "Greatest Generation" moniker, regardless. The real GG largely lived ca. 1730-1800.
Sorry, Lee ... but when I see this cliche I stop reading: I know probably I won't be seeing anything original after it.
Makes perfect sense to me. I tend to think their saving grace, though, is the fact that they DID NOT trash America and its history while setting up these programs. It was their children who sought to 'tear down' the heroes, and replace them with Marxist models. The WWII generation may have made some doosies of mistakes where largesse is concerned, but they didn't tell their grandkids that America was an awful entity that deserved to be overthrown.
The generation between the GG & the boomers need to take their share of the blame. Boomers were sheep, rather than leaders in everything you are talking about. Their elders marketed to them heavily, because of the size of their age group. The worst of the GG, plus the worst of the generation after went into teaching, entertainment & journalism.
they didn't tell their grandkids that America was an awful entity that deserved to be overthrown.
Wrong! Boomers didn't come up with any of that, make it up out of whole cloth. It is what many of us were taught. Many of us overcame our earlier indoctrination, while many didn't. Can you say all of your peers are pure or are there koolaide drinkers among those of your age group too?
And just so I can make myself clear : I don't seek to generalize all those born between 1945 and 1964. I am fully aware that a good portion of them fought in Vietnam and as such I dont see them as part of the Left-wing portion of the Boomers. I also do not point fingers at those Boomers who voted for Reagan (I was not old enough to vote until 1985 and I voted for Bush 41 in 1988), and have generally been making an effort to turn things around and refute all the Leftist lies. The accusations I make are those who are still clinging to the 60s mentality that theirs is the Holy Time and the only thing worthwhile accomplishing is the same perfidy they performed in the 60s...am I making sense? What makes these people worse is they have managed to gin up a whole new generation of people who are indeed blindly following what they say because they dont even have the historical ccntext of the 70s as part of their experience.
Glad to hear that you recognize that.
My point was to say that we grew up listening to the Boomers trash everything that we were learning to be admirable about America...
As did I. I heard the boomers parroting what was being taught to them. I watched the rise of the worst from previous generations. After McCarthy was destroyed, there was little to stop them. Check the birth dates of the leaders of all of the 60's movements. Calculate voting ages, to find out when boomers were given any voice in government. Remember to consider who votes in the greatest percentages. It isn't young voters & that was true, even in the 60's & 70's.
at least we learned that there was something admirable by listening to the parents of the Boomers.
I'm sure you were also taught to blame all of the bad on boomers. I'm trying to get you to see beyond what you were taught. Boomers were not in charge of the media, the schools or the government, but they've been given the blame, because the worst of the boomers were given a voice & were pandered to, by those who actually were in power.
I will always associate Ronald Reagan with that generation that stood up for America in WWII, and as such gave America a renewed sense of purpose.
Why not Carter? or Nixon? or Johnson? or Kennedy?
I grew up in an era where heroes were systematically being 'taken down' to a so-called 'realism' and replaced with Marxist ideals.
So was I.
I dont know that the WWII generation came home and ever said "we learned of something better, let's implement it."
I'm talking about those who didn't "come home", though there were some of those. Mostly, the ones that didn't leave in the first place were busy while their peers were "over there".
But then, as I said : I can agree with the earlier assertion that it was generations before the Boomers that got the ball rolling, but if I really wanted to, I could take it all the way back to the battle betweent he Federalists and the Anti-Federalists.
True.
Still, it seems to me that the Boomers are the first generation to fall and foment for the idea that America had nothing good to offer the world.
Make sure to check those birth dates, as I told you to do earlier.
Where they got this idea, I dont know...but I know I am a generation that is coming out of that morass knowing better. That's all I really wanted to say.
Blame Carter on the boomers & boomers can't even take full credit for him. Remember, people do not vote in large percentages until they are older, late 20's, early 30's. Thank God we didn't give that loser a second term. Meanwhile, name all of the great early leaders from among your peer group. Show me those who demonstrate your generation's great ability of climbing out of that morass.
And just so I can make myself clear : I don't seek to generalize all those born between 1945 and 1964. I am fully aware that a good portion of them fought in Vietnam and as such I dont see them as part of the Left-wing portion of the Boomers. I also do not point fingers at those Boomers who voted for Reagan (I was not old enough to vote until 1985 and I voted for Bush 41 in 1988), and have generally been making an effort to turn things around and refute all the Leftist lies.
My first vote went to Carter. I was 19 & hadn't overcome the effects of the koolaide yet.
The accusations I make are those who are still clinging to the 60s mentality that theirs is the Holy Time and the only thing worthwhile accomplishing is the same perfidy they performed in the 60s...am I making sense?
Yes, you are making sense. I understand what you've learned, while I lived it & can see that some of what you've learned is total garbage.
What makes these people worse is they have managed to gin up a whole new generation of people who are indeed blindly following what they say because they dont even have the historical ccntext of the 70s as part of their experience.
I agree. You're buying a false version of the 60's for the same reason. You lack historical context for the era. I'm trying to give you some.
Well, at least one boomer admits it.
Carter : I remember him. One word : malaise. Sorry, but the befuddlement of SALT I and SALT II was ridiculous. I will never remember Carter for anything uplifting. In his administration, the Bicentennial was a blip, and hardly his doing.
Nixon : I was a baby then. Parents scarcely let me watch the evening news, much less tell me who Nixon was. By the time I got any idea of what was going on in the country, Ford was running for re-election. That's as far back as I can remember. If my parents talked about him, I don't remember what was said. All I knew was that he had been caught doing something and decided to leave office.
Johnson - Ugh. The impression I got of LBJ is that all his talk of a Great Society was a facade. I don't think he's much admired in any quarters of the American populace. The more I learn about him, the less I think he had done anything to inspire Americans. And this coming from a former student of the college he attended (SWTSU - San Marcos)
Kennedy : I wasnt even a glimmer in my daddy's eye (such as it was). I am only learning about Kennedy through history, and from what I understand, he was the last President before Reagan to inspire people about their country.
I have one word for him too, Iran. The economy that he made worse was given to him by the next guy on our list...
Nixon : I was a baby then. Parents scarcely let me watch the evening news, much less tell me who Nixon was. By the time I got any idea of what was going on in the country, Ford was running for re-election. That's as far back as I can remember. If my parents talked about him, I don't remember what was said. All I knew was that he had been caught doing something and decided to leave office.
I voted for Carter because of him. Big media was reaching the height of it's power. More than anyone or anything else, the media took down Nixon. Tip O'Neill also had a lot of power, the kind that Newt tried to match, but failed to do because of the media. Congress pandered to the blue hairs, because they were the most powerful voting block. Grannys were getting forced to eat dog food & we needed to take Social Security from a supplement to more of a full livable income for our needy seniors. Boomer income was starting to help fill government coffers & they weren't going to be eligible to collect for years down the road. Spend that money now & let them worry about it in the future.
Price controls were the answer to a sickening economy while he was in office. Suppliers responded by changing the sizes of containers, which is why a one pound can of coffee is no longer a pound. Nickle candybars got reduced in size & the price went up to a dime. Gum went from 5 sticks in a pack for a nickle, to 7 for a dime. (I was a kid & candy prices were important to me then. LOL)
Johnson - Ugh. The impression I got of LBJ is that all his talk of a Great Society was a facade. I don't think he's much admired in any quarters of the American populace. The more I learn about him, the less I think he had done anything to inspire Americans. And this coming from a former student of the college he attended (SWTSU - San Marcos)
He set the wheels in motion for our coming train wreck. Mr. Guns & Butter showed all politicians the way to the yellow brick road.
Kennedy : I wasnt even a glimmer in my daddy's eye (such as it was). I am only learning about Kennedy through history, and from what I understand, he was the last President before Reagan to inspire people about their country.
They raised Kennedy to near sainthood after his death. I bought it, cuz I was a kid. My Mom, who has rarely found a lefty she doesn't like, got me to take a more realistic view towards him. Her dislike of the Kennedy's was personal, cuz Bobby had gone after her uncle. Without the cheating by the Daley machine in Chicago, he would not have been President.
I remember learning about the Daley stuff here on FR!! Thank God for FR/JimRob! Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Kennedy the one who actually set the Vietnam wheels in motion and LBJ just took it to its (illogical) Lefty end? It's not that I don't think some form of protest should have been put up for the mismanagement. Its the radicalism that was spawned.
I have been reading a lot of what David Horowitz has written, and I am deeply grateful he has gone through the effort to shine a brighter spotlight of that era.
I think, to tell you the truth, I just get tired of hearing how great the 60s were, and the automatic assumption that I am going to agree with them. I was too young to get the full appreciation for it, but I *am* old enough to remember the awful dregs of it after Vietnam. It is an unforgiveable thing in my mind that so many who were in the military were punished by the louts that ran around in their horrible horrible lifestyle by spitting on them and calling them names. Any group of people who do that automatically get lumped into a bad group in my eyes.
No, not really. The treaty we sent guys over to help keep was signed by Truman or Eisenhower. Hard to believe that there used to be a time when national defense came without all of the partisan rancor that was spawned in the 60's. Kennedy may have been the one to offically send in people to help & to train the South Vietnamese, but the policy that caused him to do it was set in motion before he took office. I think the first American death there was in '54, but it's been awhile since I read up on the details.
It's not that I don't think some form of protest should have been put up for the mismanagement. Its the radicalism that was spawned.
I agree.
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