Skip to comments.Avian Flu Surveillance Project
Posted on 05/09/2005 10:18:08 AM PDT by Dog Gone
Some folks suggested that we begin a thread similar to the Marsburg Surveillance Project for monitoring developments regarding Avian Flu.
The purpose is to have an extended thread where those interested can post articles and comments as this story unfolds.
If we're lucky, the story and this thread will fade away.
Good luck with that...I'm not sure, after the antioxidant exchange, if you're asking questions or if you have a broad knowledge base on supplements. I don't, as you must have guessed.
My guess is that resveratrol is less useful as a tnf-A or IL inhibitor than other supplements may be. For example, curcumin 95% standardized has been lab shown to have Cox inhibitor-like effects as far as inflammation is concerned, to have anti-inflammatory effects similar to the corticosteroids at some levels, and also to cause emptying of the gall bladder, so that people who have gall stones should probably not take it. Neither should pregnant or nursing women, because the effects at a high level on those populations aren't known. As far as toxicity, large doses apparently can be taken with no ill effects on the rest of the population who are not pregnant and have no gall stones.
But resveratrol, on the other hand, is found in high levels in, say, Pinot Noir wine, (or whatever wine) and rapidly degrades after the bottle is opened. In other words, (as you suggest) so far, it's unstable for practical use.
Let me go a little further and state that nobody here is prescribing. These are well-known substances that have had recent research showing that they MAY be helpful in case of various viral infection. No research has been done on any of them with H5N1 patients, to the best of my knowledge.
Some here have found what seems to possibly be helpful, through their own reading and use. I sincerely doubt that there is going to be a huge research effort anywhere in the world that is going to give us definitive answers on the use of supplements that possibly have antiviral action in an H5N1 pandemic.
What we are looking for is known supplements with antiviral action that are inexpensive and relatively easy to stock up for possible need. I bet very few care about the antioxidant levels, but I could be wrong.
And I DO apologize--I thought you were asking a question about antioxidants, and it's clear I was mistaken.
Sorry I surprised you on that one. Take care and keep up the good work.
Then all is well. Thanks. ;-D
Appreciate the clarification. I hope that warning is on the supplement bottle. I've never seen one, but it should be.
There is a long history of proprietary herbal formulas that claim to render all the competitors obsolete, for one reason or another. I am skeptical and would like to see the results of independent testing as well. I remember in the 80s a friend of mine was selling a vitamin supplement that was "1000% more active" than the others. I don't believe the company is still in business.
I am especially skeptical of health websites that start out with a Flash presentation and ones where the president of the company writes the research reports.
Having said that, I guess the oxidation and liver metabolism issues are something to keep in mind.
In any case, I wouldn't wait until I had the avian flu (H5N1) before taking these remedies. They seem to take days, if not weeks, to build up affect in some cases, and H5N1 can take you down in hours, by the worse case scenarios.
Here's where we have a -big- advantage over previous pandemics. Something like FreeRepublic.com can provide us better early warning, so we can start to take measures before it likely gets to us personally.
Why would they note in vivo if it was essentially impossible to get free resveratrol into the bloodstream?
Yes, we have started the regimen ahead of time also but the curcumin incident today left us a little dazed...
Without the details of this curcumin incident, it is difficult to know what level of risk it presented, even in this one case. Anecdotal evidence, even with the details, is difficult to base judgements on.
Even though very small amounts of free resveratrol are measured in the blood circulation and living tissues of humans following oral consumption of resveratrol
There are numerous quotes of the above sort on the Longevintex web site. When they talk about "very small amounts" they are talking about billionths of a gram. I would say the point they are making is it is "essentially impossible to get resveratrol into the blood" from oral administration. I don't know if it is true or not, in real-world conditions, but that is what they are saying.
All curcumin supplements do or should come with the blood thinning warning. Our incident just confirmed the well-known fact. It isn't exactly the first reported incident.
Just a minor <grin> difference ...
China reports two more bird flu outbreaks
Updated: 8:48 p.m. ET Nov. 28, 2005
BEIJING - China has confirmed two new bird flu outbreaks in poultry in the northwestern region of Xinjiang and in central Hunan province. (excerpt)
Corn, Soybeans May Fall on Concern Bird Flu Will Erode Feed Use
Nov. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Corn and soybean prices may fall in Chicago for a third straight week as a deadly bird virus in Asia and Europe threatens to reduce poultry production and demand for animal feed, a Bloomberg survey shows. (excerpt)
Interesting map posted by AlaskaDenise on this Current Events thread "New Russian Recombinant from Tula", post #2.
"Yunnan to Mongolia to Novosibirsk to Tula"