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Posted on 05/09/2005 10:18:08 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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Perhaps, however the Avian Influenza Bird Flu Information summary and the referenced ProMed articles indicate that Resveratrol in supplement form is more stable:
"Resveratrol supplements are relatively inexpensive, are more stable than wine and is available in liquid form for absorption in the mouth. No toxic effects noted. (Pubmed PMID 1583880, 12817628, 15985724) "
Indeed it is. It is also listed on the Summary. MOreover, there are ProMed articles supporting this. The problem that I had with Cat's Claw was one of the side effects, to wit:
"Children and pregnant women are to avoid. Has a potentially damaging effect on the DNA of proliferating cells (cancers, foetuses, growing children)"
My rationale is that there are several items that work here, I don't need each and every one. However, your idea is equally valid.
I couldn't agree more. None of us are physicians and the available literature is pretty sparse.
These are well-known substances that have had recent research showing that they MAY be helpful in case of various viral infection. No research has been done on any of them with H5N1 patients, to the best of my knowledge.
You are certainly correct: there is no direct, clinical tests with any of these substances. However, there is pretty good research in the open literature that makes a strong case. In particular, there are two sets of published results:
1. Studies that show that H5N1 produce a cytokine storm with at least 3 specific proteins: TNF-a, IP-10, and IL-6.
2. Studies that show, demonstrably and clinically, that these substances (with the exception of NAC and Sambucol) do reduce those specific cytokines.
However, I certainly acknowledge that there is a good deal of uncertainty with this. Which leads me to the clearly scientific conclusion:
I am going to shotgun this. These things are basically harmless in modest quantities. I will take them because they do no measureable harm. One or several of them may be helpful. Using several all at once is simple statistics: it improves the odds. Finally, since there are not too many other alternatives, this makes sense. I will of course pursue parallel strategies if necessary: isolation and Tamiflu prescription (if I can get it).
That's the only viable strategy I can see. Again, well done.
With many herbs, I have come to see that GI absorption is a real issue. One has to be careful when skimming the abstracts of research reports to ensure that the effect noted isn't solely an in vitro one. (I am not referring to any particular study mentioned in this thread.)
At the same time, when you improve absorption with a natural substance like piperine or a drug like probenecid, you have to be very careful not to inadvertently increase the absorption of other drugs taken concurrently.
Those are just some things I've been thinking about.
Thanks, Bear. Good points.
Weak Strain Of Bird Flu Found At Sun Valley Farm
(CBS) SUN VALLEY (California) Japanese quails suffering from a low pathogenic strain of bird flu were discovered in a Sun Valley quail farm.
The Bureau of Humane Law Enforcement, a non-governmental, nonprofit organization devoted to defending animals, began investigating conditions at the now-defunct L.A. Quail Farm earlier this year.
The agency served a warrant at the farm and discovered the quails living in unsanitary conditions with a multitude of illnesses.
All the animals were seized on Nov. 12 and were tested.
The bureaus veterinarian determined many of the birds had a variety of diseases, fast-moving respiratory ailments, infections, injuries and lesions. Most disturbing was the diagnosis of a low pathogenic strain of avian influenza among the quails, which had been raised and kept at the facility.
The birds had been raised for human consumption
I can't recall if we've discussed it much on this thread or not, but they are using LPAI-H5N1 and HPAI-H5N1. These two stand for:
Low Pathogen Avian Influenza H5N1
High Pathogen Avian Influenza H5N1
Supposedly LP-H5N1 is a milder infection, and HP-H5N1 is the one that kills half the people who get it. I know little more about it than that, just that I have read about this differentiation. I have no idea what the implications are for vaccines--literally, I've just recently read about the split.
I just don't like hearing even the LPH5N1 is so near; California or B.C. Yikes.
Or is that the 2006 model?
Just to be on the safe side, no doubt....
You would think that if there really is such a differentiation (maybe there is, I haven't read enough to know) in two such similar viruses, that the LP version might offer some immunity against the HP version...if they're POSITIVE it's the LP version, why not just leave it alone?
I honestly know nothing about this; I can't help speculating, and it's worth exactly nothing. I'm going to see what information I can find.
Okay, here is a link to a Recombinomics article.
It's from November 19th. I am REALLY getting behind...
In the next day or two I'm going to put together information about herbs I am familiar with, for either strengthening the body's resistence to illness or dealing with symptoms. Most of the herbs I've taken; in fact, recently I got a flu-like illness, took a formula we put together, and my illness was very mild (which is not usual).
I'll post it on the Preparedness thread. I prefer whole, powdered herbs to any kind of extracts or concentrates. Nature includes all kinds of things in herbs that may not be considered "active ingredients" but they act together in concert, and help in ways that perhaps science hasn't bothered to figure out.
I've also noticed, with herbs, that taking a tiny bit once or twice doesn't do any good. They have to be taken consistently several times a day.
In the formulas we use (we put them together) we always include some catalyst herbs - to help digest the herbs themselves, speed their absorption. Spices usually. If anyone particularly wants to be pung when I post it, ping me!
Yes please, ROFL!
Okay, I'll pingify you!
I'm posting some stuff we put together about immune system strengthening and symptom relief on the Avian Preparedness thread. If you read it (it's long) and have ?s just ping or freepmail me. Some of the herbs will no doubt be very unfamiliar.
Link to Preparedness thread: