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US Mexico Totalization Agreement
The Arizona Conservative ^ | May 7, 2005 | Bruce Barton

Posted on 05/09/2005 11:43:46 AM PDT by Boston Blackie

So what is a “totalization” agreement? These are bilateral agreements between the U.S. Social Security Administration and its counterpart in foreign countries to coordinate their Social Security programs. Presently the U.S. has 20 such agreements, mostly with European nations. This overall program has been in place since the Carter Administration. However, this is the first totalization agreement between the United States and a nation responsible for nearly 70 percent of the illegal immigration into the United States.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2006elections; 3rdworldstatus; aliens; az; borderpolice; ca; ct; disease; gopmustpay; immigrantlist; md; nc; nm; nv; or; socialism; socialsecurity; taxes; tn; tx; ut; yourtownnext

1 posted on 05/09/2005 11:43:49 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: Boston Blackie

And we wondered why the push was on to 'fix' Social Security? Simple, because W just broke it, big time.

There isn't a day that goes by without a news article that lowers my hopes for this administration. I used to place this president above Reagan. Now he's nearing Clinton territory for respect.


2 posted on 05/09/2005 12:01:31 PM PDT by datura (Fix bayonets. Seal and Deport.)
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To: datura

I agree. From where I stand it looks as if Bush cares more for Iraq's borders and it's peoples' financial situation than he does for his fellow Americans. How terribly, terribly sad.


3 posted on 05/09/2005 12:22:32 PM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: datura

Bttt!


4 posted on 05/09/2005 12:25:46 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: ImpotentRage

Bush has proven he cares nothing about the welfare of the USA or it's people. He is a globalist and his goal is the elimination of the USA as an independent nation.


5 posted on 05/09/2005 12:32:57 PM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: datura
And we wondered why the push was on to 'fix' Social Security? Simple, because W just broke it, big time.

Ah, but it goes much deeper than this.

The Totalization agreement not only allows Mexican illegal aliens to apply for and receive US SS benefits at home, but also allows him to apply for and receive benefits for his wife and children, even if they've never stepped foot in the US.

You and I have to work 40 quarters (10 years) before we become eligible for benefits.

Under the terms of the Totalization agreement, a Mexican illegal alien is eligible after only 6 quarters (1-1/2 years).

And more recently, Bush has been pushing for increased benefits for low-income wage earners and lower benefits for high wage earners.

And just which group would a typical Mexican illegal alien fall? If you said 'low wage earner', then go to the head of the class.

Which group of 'high wage earners' would be most affected by Bush's SS proposal? If you said, 'American citizens', then you've just earned extra credit.

There you have it. Bush cares more about providing for Mexican illegal aliens than he does for Amercian citizens.

6 posted on 05/09/2005 12:36:38 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: jpsb
I suspect that Mexico is one taco away from a revolution, Marxist takeover. By absorbing the excess population, the day is forestalled. But all some point we'll have to deal with it.
Of course once the revolution/civil war gets going, the flood of "refugees" will be enormous. Plus they'll automatically go on the various freebies programs such as what the Somalians enjoy.
7 posted on 05/09/2005 12:42:42 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: gubamyster

ping


8 posted on 05/09/2005 12:53:28 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: investigateworld
I suspect that Mexico is one taco away from a revolution<<<

Maybe. But I also suspect the USA is just one little homemade apple pie away from one as well. Especially when a tyrannical government begins giving our country away to foreign invaders.
9 posted on 05/09/2005 1:00:03 PM PDT by Iron Matron
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To: datura
I lost faith in Bush during the first year of his administration. Specifically, I happened to visit the White House web site around Halloween and noticed they had posted a little Flash cartoon of medical perscriptions being handed out to retirees with their trick-or-treat bags open.

I realized then what this administration was all about.

10 posted on 05/09/2005 1:02:18 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: The Duke

I had absolutely no faith in Bush Jr. after witnessing the abysmal, dismal performance of his father and his rolling over to let the Clinton's capture the WH.....must be a renegade gene in the Bush family tree that just forces them to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.


11 posted on 05/09/2005 1:23:53 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: datura
There isn't a day that goes by without a news article that lowers my hopes for this administration. I used to place this president above Reagan. Now he's nearing Clinton territory for

I've always thought he was slicker than Slick. After all, he got all of those so-called conservatives to vote the highest increases in gov spending since LBJ. Not bad for a compassionate conservative.

12 posted on 05/09/2005 1:37:23 PM PDT by Digger
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


13 posted on 05/09/2005 1:42:46 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Iron Matron

I am in favor of rolling back Globalization and returning us to a strict, conservative limited Republican form of government, free of entangling alliances and unfettered by any Global commitments at any level. No custom, law or precedent, or foreign entity, should be recognized above or higher than the U.S. Constitution. All forms of government above, or outside of, the U.S. Constitution should be declared null and void and all agreements, arrangements and alliances vacated by the Judiciary and enforced by Congressional decree (ideally)..

U.S. National Sovereignty should never be compromised at any level and the Republic must stand only and exclusively for the interests of U.S. Citizens, and not those of any other country, government or non-governmental organization (NGO).

The entire U.S. National financial infrastructure and all other institutions should be sealed off from the emerging global order, as the U.S. hopefully takes its formal stand against Globalism (again, it is up to Congress to Act here).

We must reject Globalism, multilateralism and all forms of Socialism and return to a strong, well-grounded Constitutionally-inspired, Republican form of limited Government and stand by our hard-won National Independence to the very bitter end. The U.S. should not be the eternal wellspring of dole and giveaways for the Second and Third worlds.

Vote accordingly people, and run for office, where appropriate and most effective.

Will the Republic stand? Will we remain Sovereign?


14 posted on 05/09/2005 1:45:41 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777 (Property tax is eternal rent. You can never own your own land. Why?)
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To: investigateworld

If true then we are importing a great deal of trouble, the fighting will be on our side of the border too. Someone in DC should be thinking about what's best for the USA and not just what's best for Mexico. If a revolution is comming, allowing 20 million illegals into the usa is not going to prevent it, just make the entire mess worse and involve usa too.


15 posted on 05/09/2005 2:05:27 PM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: Bald Eagle777

Well stated. I agree.


16 posted on 05/09/2005 2:05:44 PM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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To: Boston Blackie

And this Administration was labeled "Conservative"?


17 posted on 05/09/2005 2:15:26 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: afnamvet

Thanks bud.


18 posted on 05/09/2005 2:27:18 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777 (Property tax is eternal rent. You can never own your own land. Why?)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

A rising tide lifts all boats...sort of. Well, except for American citizens' rowboats. Every three months or so, we're expected to get busy and invent something everyone else in the world can manufacture and sell back to us at double/triple the manufacturing cost. Social security will be a welfare program. The Dems are right about that, and it's shameful.


19 posted on 05/09/2005 2:31:24 PM PDT by hershey
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


20 posted on 05/09/2005 2:37:29 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Iron Matron

"I suspect that Mexico is one taco away from a revolution"

I'm not so concerned about a revolution in Mexico. I'm more concerned about a revolution in the USA. At some point the populace well rise and it ain't gonna be pretty.

It's obvious that very few of the elected politicians care about legal citizens. We're nothing more than a pocketbook to finance their political campaigns or their solical programs.

Bush's "compassionate conservative campaign" was the biggest hoax ever. We all thought Clinton was the Master of Deception but Bill could learn a few things from GWB and Company.

For those that continue to treat George as the All Mighty I can only say "Shame on You!"


21 posted on 05/09/2005 2:45:22 PM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: politicalwit

"well rise"= will rise


22 posted on 05/09/2005 2:46:31 PM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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To: american spirit

I don't think Bob Dole would have been any better, in fact. It's not the DNA, it's the group he's running with.


23 posted on 05/09/2005 2:46:38 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: Boston Blackie
http://capwiz.com/fair/issues/bills/?bill=7559806

This is the website of the Federation for Immigration Reform.

Free faxes are there to be sent to your Senators and Reps about this (disastrous for America) "totalization", and other illegal immigration matters.

24 posted on 05/09/2005 2:55:53 PM PDT by janetgreen (CLOSE THE BORDERS)
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To: jpsb

I agree, but you won't find any support for the concept of sealing the borders from "victims", I.e. the hoards who are pouring in escaping a communist tyranny. I wish there were a simple answer. As my dear wee Irish mother would say "if wishes were horses, beggars would ride".


25 posted on 05/09/2005 3:04:22 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
And more recently, Bush has been pushing for increased benefits for low-income wage earners and lower benefits for high wage earners.

I am so sorry I voted for him. First, he calls the Minutement 'vigilantes'. Second, he wants to socialize SS even more. And now this? This ties together his love of Mexico, his love of illegals, and his total disdain for the U.S. citizens that are holding the country together by paying high taxes. And now their SS will be cut even more to give it to some illegals. I thought only a Democrat could screw us so bad. (can I say that here?)
26 posted on 05/09/2005 3:05:53 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Hoping to be a California Vigil Antie for the Minuteman Project)
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To: Serenissima Venezia

I hate to say this but I think we have lost. Since pappa Bush and Clinton are such big buddies, father and son relationship, yeah right. This just stinks to high heavens.

There is no doubt in my mind that Bush will try to push this(totalization) through or Hillary will in 2008.


27 posted on 05/09/2005 3:26:31 PM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: texastoo

I like your tagline.


28 posted on 05/09/2005 3:37:06 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Hoping to be a California Vigil Antie for the Minuteman Project)
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To: Serenissima Venezia
I am so sorry I voted for him.

I knew in 1999 what he was all about when he uttered the phrase seen in my tagline. That action was an strong indicator of his character and so far, it has been 100% accurate.

In truth, the Totalization agreement was signed in June, 2004. Bush has not sent it to Congress, yet so we really don't know what was signed. We only know what was in the proposal.

The actual agreement could be much, much worse. (Given what I know about Bush, it is most likely is much, much worse)

Had Clinton signed such an agreement 5 months before the presidential election, FReepers would have been justifiably outraged and rallied to the cause.

But since this was signed by their 'bastard' instead of the other guy's 'bastard', they have seen nothing wrong with giving US SS benefits to Mexican illegals just as they've seen nothing wrong with granting these very same illegals amnesty from presecution and deportation.

Reading the comments on threads discussing the increase to low-income wage earners reveals a similar 'blind-spot' to what Bush is really doing.

Not to mention his 'free-speech zones'. Clinton tried that once on FReepers and the hue and cry was so loud that he never did it again.

FReepers' reaction to Bush doing the same? Glowing approval because he was keeping Americans from excercising their 1st Amendment right to redress goverment officials.

And then there's the thinly disguised covert propaganda, called 'video news releases'.

The list goes on and on.

29 posted on 05/09/2005 4:01:16 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
I notice your tag line also. A good one.

Have you noticed how the word "Freedom" is being used by Bush for the rest of the world? This is making a lot of Freepers happy, thinking he is doing something.

So far as I am concerned the word "freedom" has been around as long as the words "illegal aliens" and he is doing nothing about either one. He talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.
30 posted on 05/09/2005 4:14:48 PM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: texastoo
There is no doubt in my mind that Bush will try to push this(totalization) through or Hillary will in 2008.

As an aside, the Totalization Agreement does not need to be pushed through because it's already a done deal. But, we've been kept in the dark about what it contains.

I suspect this is by design.

Some other 'things' need to be put into place before the actual terms are released.

Things like, the non-amnesty amnesty and the increase in benefits for low-wage earners.

The only thing Bush is waiting for is an opportune moment in which to release the terms of our obligation.

31 posted on 05/09/2005 4:23:30 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker ("There ought to be limits to freedom" --George W. Bush, May 26, 1999)
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To: Boston Blackie

If this don't suck nothing does. CAFTA and NAFTA are also stupid deals. If McCain runs I'll have no one to vote for in 2008. Hillary might as well get in for all I care.


32 posted on 05/09/2005 4:28:53 PM PDT by dennisw (2 plain)
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To: Bald Eagle777
"Will the Republic stand? Will we remain Sovereign?"

No to both. The Republic is gone (long ago) and our sovereignty is on the brink.

--Boris

33 posted on 05/10/2005 2:17:53 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a leftist with a word processor.)
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To: jpsb

You are 100% right. I wonder how long it will be until Americans wake up. It doesn't appear we will ever have a pro-American govt in DC.


34 posted on 05/10/2005 2:21:33 AM PDT by usa1776
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To: Bald Eagle777

"it is up to Congress to Act here" No chance of that. It is up to the American people or it will not get done. I'm not real hopeful. Would we have been better off if we didn't enter WWII?


35 posted on 05/10/2005 2:40:47 AM PDT by usa1776
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To: american spirit

The Bush family is typical of what happens to a heavilly indoctrinated dynasty. They've had leftist thinking pounded in their heads for generations by college professors. What does one expect?


36 posted on 05/10/2005 2:47:50 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: usa1776

WWII was a necessary war, and it didn't help that our "friends" didn't pay us back (except for Finland). The problem is that the Democrats view socialist government bureaucracies and taxes as being "non negotiable" and more or less a permanent part of the political landscape, not objects which never should have seen the light of day or at least temporary.

For the duration" becomes "forever". That's one of my biggest problems with FDR and WWII Democrats.

The are "true believers" in the growth of government and all that goes with that package (taxes, borrowing, etc). The bible, in referencing Christ, the messiah, ("and of the growth of His government there will be no end"), almost could have referenced FDR and the Democrats' philosophy of government! Almost. Government is neither Christ nor Messiah, and is not God, the source of all life. (The Socialists like to see gov't as the End All to Man's problems).

BTW, I'm in favor of whatever: pays off the entire National debt (no more deficit spending), abolishes the income tax, property tax, and also; unplugs almost 100 years of socialism.

Additionally, we need to back our currency with silver and gold. The National Debt is enslaving this country. The trade imbalance does't help either. Tie the millstone of socialism around this country's neck and we have a Very Big Problem.

Here's the official tally of this mess, but the private sector has other means of calculating liabiliies, and this number can go higher than 7 Trillion, but I'll leave that to the professional Economists to fight about:

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm

The Debt To the Penny
Current Amount

05/09/2005 $7,750,764,705,354.75


37 posted on 05/10/2005 10:52:59 AM PDT by Bald Eagle777 (Property tax is eternal rent. You can never own your own land. Why?)
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To: Bald Eagle777

Yes, end the federal reserve system, its a complete fraud that gurantees a nation goes into bankruptcy.

As for Democrats, at the end of WWII and up until 1964 (Goldwater) there was at least the appearance of a difference between Dems and GOP. Today, they are one and the same in open. Who was more "conservative", Bush W. or JFK?


38 posted on 05/10/2005 1:10:51 PM PDT by usa1776
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To: Boston Blackie; Gipper08; CHARLITE; MeekOneGOP; devolve; potlatch; Diogenesis; JohnHuang2; keri; ...
A TOTAL NIGHTMARE - TOTALIZATION

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This overall program has been in place since the Carter Administration. However, this is the first totalization agreement between the United States and a nation responsible for nearly 70 percent of the illegal immigration into the United States.

Pack Up The MaMmAsItAS - We're Headed For AZTLAN!

Bill would deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants

39 posted on 05/18/2005 11:03:47 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Oh boy! Let's unite with Mexico now!


40 posted on 05/18/2005 11:26:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Boston Blackie

It's interesting what you pick up from an article that doesn't specificly address illegal immigration. 70% is about right, when it comes to Mexico's portion of our illegal immigration, but you'd have to kill someone to get that info, unless you happen to read a periferal issue article such as this one.

70% folks, just about dead on with what I've been saying for decades.


41 posted on 05/18/2005 2:25:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Dan, I have been on another thread about NAFTA. I did a little research and ran across the NAFTA website. I was on that site yesterday and went back today.

They put up something new today. A borderless map of North America. This map is a 'guide to migrants workers". It tells a little about Mexican social security. One has to work in Mexico 24 years before being eligible for benefits.

http://www.naalc.org

This guide by the Secretariat of NAFTA explains that workers without papers are eligible for benefits. It informs them how to find migrant health clinics. As if they already don't know that everything is free.


42 posted on 05/18/2005 11:27:42 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Boston Blackie

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. I remember the days when we would be fighting with the usual cuntry club bushbot Freepers regarding Our Lord and Savior Jesus W. Bush, and how criticism of Him was off-limits. We really can't do that anymore, because they are either gone, or they're too ashamed to post on a thread like this. I'm going to bed. When I wake up, will there still be an Amerikkka left?


43 posted on 05/18/2005 11:38:51 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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