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Opposition pass vote in bid to topple government (Canada's Liberals Defeated - msm spin begins!)
CBC News ^ | 10 May 2005 | Staff

Posted on 05/10/2005 3:37:53 PM PDT by GMMAC

Opposition pass vote in bid to topple government

Last Updated Tue, 10 May 2005 18:30:32 EDT
CBC News


OTTAWA - Opposition MPs passed a motion Tuesday night that they claim should topple the government – but the Liberals have dismissed the vote as nothing more than a procedural matter.

The motion passed by 153 votes to 150.

Conservative and Bloc Québécois MPs voted for the motion calling on the public accounts committee "to recommend that the government resign."

The NDP and two Independents voted with the Liberals against the motion.

Liberals have rejected claims by the opposition that this was a confidence vote, saying it is just a set of instructions to a committee, and that the outcome won't affect the government.

Two cabinet ministers, Justice Minister Irwin Cotler and Natural Resources Minister John Efford, were not there for the vote.

Despite the Liberal refusal to treat it as a matter of confidence, the Conservatives have said they'll come to work as usual and look for other opportunities to force an election.

Earlier Tuesday, Liberal House leader Tony Valeri announced that the opposition parties will have three days at the end of May during which they can introduce formal non-confidence motions.

On those days, the opposition controls the parliamentary agenda.

"We're not afraid to be held accountable," Valeri said at a news conference. "There will be legitimate confidence votes."

The Liberals have already dismissed a similar motion – involving the finance committee and scheduled to be voted on next week – as a procedural matter and not a matter of confidence.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: adscam; canada; canuckistan; corruption; defeated; dictatorship; dithers; harper; liberals; lies; martin; theft
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1 posted on 05/10/2005 3:37:54 PM PDT by GMMAC
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To: GMMAC
The House Of Commons just voted NO CONFIDENCE in the Government. And the Liberals have set up a constitutional crisis. Never before in Canadian history has a government of the day refused to resign when it lost a formal vote of no confidence in the House. "Procedural motion" my ass!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
2 posted on 05/10/2005 3:41:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; coteblanche; ...
Harper now on feet in House demanding that Vermin resign! PING!...PING!...PING!...PING!... PING!..PING!...PING!
3 posted on 05/10/2005 3:41:49 PM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC


Said it before,and will say it again,

Canada is a banana republic.A goon squad mafia run the country,passing bags of money to each other absconded from taxpayers pockets.

Sick and getting sicker.


4 posted on 05/10/2005 3:47:36 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: goldstategop

They are taking their cues from American Dems.

You're right. To not resign under these circumstances is an unprecedented statement by the Liberals that they are entitled to power.

They will take down the Canadian Constitution if they have to in an effort to retain power.

It was a cross-party vote of "No Confidence." How could you accept the challenge of such a vote but then dismiss the results when you lose? "Procedural motion?!?!?!" --- it was a vote of "NO CONFIDENCE!!!!!"


5 posted on 05/10/2005 3:50:39 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("It would be a hard government that should tax its people 1/10th part of their income."-Ben Franklin)
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To: GMMAC

bookmarked~


6 posted on 05/10/2005 3:56:03 PM PDT by lutz
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To: GMMAC

This government is dead.

If Mr. Dithers and his Fiberals keep trying to cling to power after legally being defeated, this will be the most embarrasing thing ever.

Maybe we need to get Bush here to help???


7 posted on 05/10/2005 4:03:43 PM PDT by Heartofsong83
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To: Heartofsong83

What a screwy way to run a country.


8 posted on 05/10/2005 4:06:13 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: GMMAC

Time to start an email campaign to Clarkson to dissolve government!


9 posted on 05/10/2005 4:16:34 PM PDT by SweetPilotofCanuckistan (DeLay/Laura Bush '08!)
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To: GMMAC

Resign now, you thieves!


10 posted on 05/10/2005 4:30:52 PM PDT by In The Crease (Canada---no leftists need apply.)
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To: SweetPilotofCanuckistan

http://www.gg.ca/contactus/index_e.asp


11 posted on 05/10/2005 4:34:34 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: In The Crease

If Canadians had gumption, guts, were not submissive timid peasants, and cared about anything at all (they don't care even about hockey anymore) they would be on the streets.
Heck in most countries they would be burning down the police stations right now.
The US has the 2nd ammendment and now we see why.


12 posted on 05/10/2005 4:36:49 PM PDT by rasblue (What would Barry Goldwater do?)
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To: GMMAC

Gimme a Molsons.


13 posted on 05/10/2005 4:46:39 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Heartofsong83
If Mr. Dithers and his Fiberals keep trying to cling to power after legally being defeated, this will be the most embarrasing thing ever.

I'm counting on it. The longer he clings to power when it's obvious that not a single piece of legislation will see the light of day, the worse he'll look. In fact, the way it now stands I'll be happy to hold him to the promise of calling an election this winter. Between half a year of his desperate manoevring and the full exposé of the party operations he'd be toast.

14 posted on 05/10/2005 4:48:30 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: In The Crease
OTTAWA (CP) - The opposition powered through a motion Tuesday demanding that the wobbly minority government resign, but the Liberals dismissed it as a dress rehearsal for the real non-confidence vote they promise later this month.

The outcome will likely mean more disarray in a House of Commons already almost at a standstill. The minority government shrugged off the motion as only procedural, even though it strained mightily to get it turfed before the Commons even voted Tuesday evening.

The vote was close at 153-150, with at least two Liberal cabinet ministers absent. The seat count in the House is so close that every vote counts, including the three Independents.

Conservative Opposition Leader Stephen Harper immediately demanded that Prime Minister Paul Martin call a formal vote of confidence.

"I would challenge the prime minister, if he believes he has the constitutional authority, to rise in his place and to call for a vote of confidence," Harper said.

The House broke down into shouting when Liberal House leader Tony Valeri said parliamentary precedent makes it clear the vote was not a motion of confidence.

The Speaker ruled Harper's demand out of order and the House returned to normal business, debating heritage lighthouses.

The call to resign was one of several attempts by the opposition to bring down what has become a shaky minority government under Martin.

The Conservative-led motion was similar to one they plan to bring forward May 18.

The attempts mark an increasingly chaotic Parliament degenerating into daily name-calling and demands for the government to resign.

The opposition, especially the Tories and Bloc Quebecois, have seized on damning testimony at the sponsorship inquiry in past weeks to put the once-stable Liberal minority in peril.

"Mr. Martin's behaviour has gone from dithering to desperate and now to dangerous," Harper said after the vote. "And this is a very serious situation."

Source

15 posted on 05/10/2005 4:50:14 PM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC
The Speaker ruled Harper's demand out of order and the House returned to normal business, debating heritage lighthouses.

That was the SECOND most important thing to debate in Canada today? ROFL.

16 posted on 05/10/2005 4:55:02 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: GMMAC
The Speaker ruled Harper's demand out of order and the House returned to normal business, debating heritage lighthouses

One of the funniest lines I have seen in a long time.

17 posted on 05/10/2005 4:56:24 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Dog Gone

As we say here on FR...GMTA


18 posted on 05/10/2005 4:57:33 PM PDT by xp38
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To: xp38

Indeed they do, and often within seconds of each other.


19 posted on 05/10/2005 5:00:20 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: GMMAC


Imagine the POTUS involved in a scheme to send federal money to Texas where that money is given to contractors for the sole reason to kick it back into the Republican party coffers to help get Tom Delay elected.

What do you think would happen next in the USA?


20 posted on 05/10/2005 5:00:26 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

Republicans might become a footnote in history. The whole party would be tainted, and political poison for some time at the very minimum.


21 posted on 05/10/2005 5:04:49 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone


In Canada,the socialist Liberal party,the ones who have sent federal money to quebec to kick it bakc into Liberal party coffers, still ride high enough in the polls to win the next election.

What does that say about Canada ?


22 posted on 05/10/2005 5:06:56 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

Well Canada builds your FR screen name :)


23 posted on 05/10/2005 5:13:09 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Para-Ord.45
It's far too early to make that assessment as a given. This scandal has hardly played out.

Nor are elections set, and timing is everything.

Canada is hardly going to reject all its liberal leanings even if it rejects the Liberal Party for its misdeeds. But it seems as if there will a backlash to some extent no matter what.

24 posted on 05/10/2005 5:15:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Para-Ord.45
"Imagine the POTUS involved in a scheme to send federal money to Texas where that money is given to contractors for the sole reason to kick it back into the Republican party coffers to help get Tom Delay elected."

Seems a little far fetched ... however, the one one about a former POTUS, his overly-ambitious communist lesbian wife, certain still missing documents and a dead guy named Vince ...
25 posted on 05/10/2005 5:22:34 PM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: Squawk 8888
I'm counting on it. The longer he clings to power when it's obvious that not a single piece of legislation will see the light of day, the worse he'll look. In fact, the way it now stands I'll be happy to hold him to the promise of calling an election this winter. Between half a year of his desperate manoevring and the full exposé of the party operations he'd be toast.

This is the way I feel, also.

Let the Liberal b*stards twist in the wind for months and months, and drag the conniving NDP down with them.

26 posted on 05/10/2005 5:41:11 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: rasblue

Exactly why they have the gun registry...up to 2 billion dollars now...

Agreed, drag them into the streets and shoot them...


27 posted on 05/10/2005 5:45:31 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: GMMAC
Isn't this sort of reminiscent of how our democrats in the house acted between November 1994 and January 1995? It was like they were in the middle of a bad dream and couldn't wake up. But they knew in their heart of hearts that when they did awake, everything would be back to "normal".
28 posted on 05/10/2005 5:51:20 PM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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To: goldstategop

So the libs have imploded ... many of us saw it coming. The fact that they won't accept it should nail their coffin shut.


29 posted on 05/10/2005 5:54:44 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: Dog Gone

The Speaker of the House is a liberal ... what should one expect?


30 posted on 05/10/2005 5:56:30 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: headsonpikes
"Let the Liberal b*stards twist in the wind for months and months, and drag the conniving NDP down with them."

No, aside from bringing in same-sex "marriage", they'd have time to throw additional billions at every whining, anti-majority special interest in the nation and spin, spin, spin ...

No matter, come MAY 18TH ...

... butter 'em, they're done!

31 posted on 05/10/2005 5:58:25 PM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: Para-Ord.45
In Canada,the socialist Liberal party,the ones who have sent federal money to quebec to kick it bakc into Liberal party coffers, still ride high enough in the polls to win the next election.

What does that say about Canada ?


Nothing yet, the polls were telling us that the Conservatives were going to win the federal election.
32 posted on 05/10/2005 5:58:30 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: Para-Ord.45

Gay rights activist Defense Minister.
French Favouritism in culture, gov't and handouts to
Quebec along with plush civil servant jobs for Quebecers....especially in ottawa....just
try looking at a box of cheerios.
Appeasing the minorities, refugees and new immigrants
at the expense of the majorities.
Now we have to modify the Canadian Food Guide geared
towards immigrants. Ontario now does it.....they have
the punjabi and mandarin versions.
I need a drink.....maybe 10.......


33 posted on 05/10/2005 6:14:57 PM PDT by CelticLord (You forgot a few things.)
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To: GMMAC
No, aside from bringing in same-sex "marriage", they'd have time to throw additional billions at every whining, anti-majority special interest in the nation and spin, spin, spin ...

Bear in mind that if they refuse to step down the opposition can bring the government to a standstill. They will not have the money to pay any bills beyond the summer without Commons approval so they are setting the stage for every piece of housekeeping being subjected to a recorded vote.

34 posted on 05/10/2005 8:25:36 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: NorthOf45
No, aside from bringing in same-sex "marriage", they'd have time to throw additional billions at every whining, anti-majority special interest in the nation and spin, spin, spin ...

The latest polling shows them in the lead but that's almost entirely due to support in Ontario. In Québec and the West they'll be wiped out and in the Maritimes the best they can hope for is a 3-way split, so their best-case scenario would be about 130 seats. That'll probably be the largest caucus in the House but I doubt the NDP will have enough to keep them in power, so the most likely scenario is the Tories forming a government with Bloc support. The Libs will scream about this being a threat to national unity, but in fact that would be better for the country than having a government propped up by Ontario in opposition to everyone else.

35 posted on 05/10/2005 8:30:51 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: GMMAC

How can the liberal party just dismiss a no-confidence vote?

Considering the Bloc Quebecois joined up to vote for it, and the libs said "no way", it gives Quebec more ammunition to break away.


36 posted on 05/11/2005 1:45:04 AM PDT by Crazieman (If Con is the opposite of Pro, what is the opposite of Progress?)
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To: Para-Ord.45

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050511.wpoll0511/BNStory/National/

PM's honesty an issue as Tories lead in poll54% find Martin hypocritical; many ready to make sponsorship scandal the foremost election issue By BRIAN LAGHI

Wednesday, May 11, 2005 Updated at 12:01 AM EDT

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

Ottawa -- The federal Conservatives have edged back in front of the Liberals in a startling new poll that finds Canadians questioning Paul Martin's honesty and ready to make the sponsorship scandal the foremost election issue.

The poll, conducted for The Globe and Mail and CTV, finds that 31 per cent of voters would opt for the Conservatives if an election were held today, while 27 per cent would back the Liberals. The Tories are up three percentage points from late April; the Liberals are down three.

But perhaps the most stunning finding shows that 61 per cent of Canadians surveyed believe the prime minister is the federal political leader most likely to tell a lie if it would help him politically. Only 26 per cent believe that of Conservative Leader Stephen Harper


37 posted on 05/11/2005 3:42:09 AM PDT by captcanada
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To: GMMAC

ping: see poll results from Globe and Mail.


38 posted on 05/11/2005 3:45:42 AM PDT by captcanada
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To: GMMAC

Martin's credibility is slipping, poll finds
CTV.ca News Staff

While a federal election call looms ever closer, a new public opinion poll shows Stephen Harper and the Conservatives have surged ahead of Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberals nationally.

In the total sample of the poll, conducted for CTV and The Globe and Mail by The Strategic Counsel, Conservatives are polling at 31 per cent, up three points since April, while the Liberals have slid three points to 27 per cent.

The NDP has gained two points, at 20 per cent, while the Bloc Quebecois has stayed the same at 14. The Green Party lost three points, settling at seven per cent.

There's more ominous news for the Liberals in the key battleground of Ontario. The Conservatives have gained a narrow lead in front of the Liberals, with a five per cent surge in support to 35 per cent.

The Liberals dropped four points since April and now come in at 34 per cent, while the NDP has gained a few percentages, at 25.

In Quebec, the separatist Bloc has maintained its massive lead over the Liberals with 56 per cent of the vote, compared to the Grits' 16.


The leaders

The news gets worse for the Liberals when it comes to the personal performances of each party leader.

The sponsorship scandal and negative commentary over Martin's recent efforts to strike deals to keep his party in power seems to have eaten away at his once-vaunted credibility.

When asked to name which of the leaders is the most dishonest:

63 per cent of Canadians picked Martin;
20 per cent chose Harper;
5 per cent of respondents said NDP Leader Jack Layton; and
3 per cent named Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe.
The picture gets even bleaker for Martin: 61 per cent of Canadians say they believe he would lie if it would help him politically; 54 per cent call him hypocritical; while 47 percent say he's indecisive.

"Paul Martin is looking like a caricature of a stereotypical politician -- a person who is prepared to lie, a person who is prepared to bribe people with their own money," Allan Gregg, chairman of The Strategic Counsel, told CTV News.

Harper, meanwhile, has gained crucial momentum going into an election, with poll results indicating that Canadians are beginning to warm up to him and his vision.

However, he's yet to shake off the cool, remote image that many believe has been holding down Conservative support across the country.

When Canadians were asked which party leader they would most like to have dinner with, both Martin (23 per cent) and Layton (25 per cent) edged out Harper, who polled at 19 per cent. Duceppe trailed far behind at 10 per cent nationally, but not surprisingly won 35 per cent in Quebec.

Popular vote

Despite his party's perennial third and fourth place finishes, Canadians continue to see Jack Layton in a positive light.

The NDP leader scores strongly in areas of principle, honesty, charisma, and holding values that are important to Canadians.

Ottawa-based image consultant Bernie Gauthier says voters see Layton as less partisan and petty than the other leaders.

"He has done a terrific job, especially in the last week or so of taking the high road. It's the road less travelled now," Gauthier told CTV News.

Martin's track record

The Liberals acknowledge their own polling shows that their leader has been tainted by the sponsorship scandal. But Steve McKinnon, the party's national director, says the Liberals still view Martin as being their strongest asset.

"When Canadians must judge between Paul Martin, Stephen Harper, Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe ... they will choose Paul Martin because of his track record," McKinnon told CTV News.

But Martin's eroding credibility explains why the Liberals have been desperately trying to delay an election, reports CTV Ottawa bureau chief Robert Fife.

"Martin needs time to re-connect with voters, and the Liberal party needs to recover from the Gomery revelations," he said.

Polling details: This poll was conducted for CTV and The Globe and Mail by The Strategic Counsel. Telephone interviewing was conducted between May 2nd and May 8th, 2005. The weighted nation-wide sample is based on 1,000 which yields a margin of error of 3.1 per cent 19 times in 20. (Note: Proportions may not sum to 100 per cent due to rounding.)

Based on a report by CTV Ottawa bureau chief Robert Fife


39 posted on 05/11/2005 3:59:39 AM PDT by captcanada
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To: Para-Ord.45

"What does that say about Canada ?"

I would never judge that based on any polling.

While the Liberals have ruled Canada since 1993, they replaced a Progressive Conservative gov't that deserved to go down. Still, in 1993, 1997, 2000, 2004 the Liberals never got close to even 50% of the vote. In the most recent elections it was Ontario that kept them in power.

The Reform then Alliance and now Conservatives enjoy over 70% of the votes where I live.

This next election will not tell us about Canada really... it will tell us about Ontario.

Frankly, if Ontario votes back in these thieves... I will personally weigh my options.


40 posted on 05/11/2005 4:10:25 AM PDT by captcanada
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To: Argh

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41 posted on 05/11/2005 4:12:08 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I can only contribute to FR monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS contributes to her campaign every day)
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To: All

Imagine if the Democrats most vicious attack dog lost faith...

http://www.warrenkinsella.com/musings.htm


42 posted on 05/11/2005 4:14:19 AM PDT by captcanada
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To: Para-Ord.45; Dog Gone

If it were the GOP committing the crime, as DG said they would be gone. But if it were the Dems accepting, even soliciting, money from ChiComs and Indonesian corporate interests then selling out American security and business, well that's a different story. The Left is frightening to behold, whether Communist, Fascist, "progressive" or "liberal" it is a philosophy of tyranny.


43 posted on 05/11/2005 5:47:25 AM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: rasblue
If Canadians had gumption, guts, were not submissive timid peasants, and cared about anything at all (they don't care even about hockey anymore) they would be on the streets.

But you don't understand. Canada is a liberal country that needs more socialists, PC policies. It's irrelevant how those policies get in place as long as the liberal agenda is advanced. the people of Canada aren't stupid. They know that what the Liberals are doing is for the ultimate good of the country and the conservatives will destroy their progressive achievements. Canadians will not stand for this. They don't care about what the party does to get it's goals accomplished. It's for the greater good. The liberals will win another minoirty government and continue to champion equality for all and make the oppressive capitalists pay for the harm they have inflicted upon minorities and the environment.

< /sarcasm>

My point is that most people in Ontario support the Liberal party as the useful idiots they are. They actually see the Liberals as victims of a COnservative conspiracy and fully support the Liberal decision to ignore the Constitution. THey think it's the right thing to do. Canadians are corrupt. And I'm speaking as one who has escaped the Peoples Republic of Bananada.

44 posted on 05/11/2005 6:21:29 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

The Liberals are spinning this as not an actual non-confidence vote, so they're not calling another election. Yet.


45 posted on 05/11/2005 8:15:14 AM PDT by Argh
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To: rasblue

The one problem with your argument is that there is no such thing as a Canadian anymore.


46 posted on 05/11/2005 9:57:15 AM PDT by Ashamed Canadian (America - please invade us now!)
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To: Ashamed Canadian

I wouldn't go that far. But for the record, I get your meaning.


47 posted on 05/11/2005 12:36:55 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: BJClinton
The left has shown throughout history that they're willing to kill their own citizens to gain or retain power.

Somehow the media and academia has twisted Nazi Germany into a rightwing movement, but that is a demonstrable lie. But China, the Soviet Union, Pol Pot's Cambodia, you name it, it's leftists who feel no guilt in doing whatever it takes.

48 posted on 05/11/2005 4:13:48 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: GMMAC

Marxists don't believe in law—never have, never will. They believe in Marxism, achieved by any means necessary, including violence. This doesn't surprise me at all. Libs in the US have been playing the "redefine the English language" game ever since Der Schliegmeister tried to redefine "is." Now "no" and "confidence" mean something else. Anything to retain power.


49 posted on 05/11/2005 4:21:05 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: captcanada
The Liberals are trying to manuever a dauphin in place before the election. If they can't I expect a fight in the party over a new leader. More Martin just isn't going to cut it for them.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
50 posted on 05/11/2005 4:25:35 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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