Skip to comments.Madrid Bombers Trained at Bosnia-Based Al Qaeda Camps
Posted on 05/10/2005 7:23:28 PM PDT by Doctor13
The terrorists that carried out the Madrid bombings in March 2004 have been trained at special Al Qaeda based in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
The news was broken Tuesday by the chief of the local police department Dragomir Andan at a special press conference. RIA Novosti cited the top police chief as saying that all 11 terrorists left for Spain passing through Sarajevo.
It was also reported that the explosives used in the terror acts were produced in Bosnia.
A total of 192 people were killed and over 1,500 others were injured in the March 11, 2004 attacks in Madrid.
clinton Legacy Bump!
I'm getting the feeling we bombed the wrong people over there.
Their culturally determined way of showing how grateful they are for the War Against Serb...I mean...the "Kosovo Campaign"...
Hey, what's a little terrorism between friends???
Clinton bombed the Christian Serbs who were trying to fend off the ever terrorizing Muslims. Clinton was very protective of Islamofascists throughout his 8 years in office.
This is when the Serbophobes blame the Serbs because if they didn't fight the Bosnian Muslims, other Muslims wouldn't have gone to Bosnia where Muslim terrorist training camps could be created.
I'm shocked, SHOCKED that the Albanians would turn against their Western saviors.
The Legacy that just keeps on giving... and giving... and giving...
I still haven't figured out why the Clintonistas thought they were the good guys.
BTW, it's not too late. We could go back and bomb them any time we wish.
Will we ever see the letter or video of Bin Laden thanking Clinton for a job well done?
I'm getting the feeling a lot of the news that comes out of the Balkans is pretty unreliable. But, people have no skepticism towards that which they want to believe.
Gee, isn't that the part of the world the Clintoon set free to wreck havoc on civilized nations? Yea, I thought so. What a wonderful legacy.
Clinton's "Wag the Dog" created more terrorists. What say you, Supreme Allied Commander Ramsey Clarke the Great?
Still looking for MASS GRAVES???
Yep, you are correct, in spite of Clinton's disregard for the Balkans. When is the last time you have heard of Billyboy being honored or invited to those greviously besieged countries? When is the last time Bill Clinton has ever mentioned those greviously besieged countries, in a National or World forum? When has Bill Clinton- with personal resolve ever tried to bring peace or even attention to this unresolved conflict- after the fact of his residence at 1600? I have unanswered questions about Billy & his Balkans/Chinese/Russian escapades- how 'bout you? Got some answers- do ya?
Told you so.
It's not a difficult conclusion to come to - with our without a lot of information.
Thanks for the ping!
No, 9/11 was the 'thank you' note: gratitude to infidels is not an Islamic virtue.
When Pascha-tide ends, and I take down the Paschal greeting, my tagline will go back to being
"And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will understand what this was about." (or as much of it as fits)
A prophetic little line Milosevic uttered when the KCFY (Kangaroo Court for the Former Yugoslavia) wouldn't let pictures of Serbs beheaded by the Bosnian Muslims and their allies be shown on the courtroom monitors.
He's the director of the Republika Srpska's Police Force.
Which means this news isn't news until it's corroborated by a source with some credibility, like the Spanish, for example.
Sorry, try again, etc.
That's not possible!!!
European Muslims are "different", they aren't like their Wahhabist buddies. (sarcasm).
Bring back the Serbs!!! Remember the Battle of Kosovo!!!
"Bosnia" is also a center for an experiment in "nation-building" by the international-fascist EU and our own international fascist "New Democrats".
It's time to end islamist "Bosnia" as we know it!!!! If Serbophobic members of this forum want to call me "Seselj" for saying this, they should realize that my views on this subject are no different from those of UN secretary-designate John Bolton.
Standard operating procedure, waiting for the incoming barrage of the usual spin.
And I thought Viceroy Paddy (what a cute name for a guy) made sure all the officials of the RS are our little "trustworthy" puppets and fired all those elected by the free will of the people, teaching the Serbs how democracy works?
It just goes to show you that those Serbs who sell their soul to the devil can't buy his trust. I wish someone would tell that to the Democrats and the Civic Alliance trash in Belgrade.
It's the opposite of Kosovo experiment. The only two threadas that seem to be the same are (1) the Serbs have no rights either to self-determination or to to keep what is legitimately theirs, and (2) the US is playing a schizophrenic card supporting Islamic extremists in the Balkans against their traditional allies (the Serbs), while battling the same Islamic extremists in the Middle East.
As they say, "go figure."
BANJA LUKA, Bosnia and Herzegovina (BiH) -- Republika Srpska Police Chief Dragomir Andan said Tuesday (10 May) that the 11 people responsible for the March 2004 terror attack on trains in Madrid may have fought in the BiH conflict years ago.
As soon as you figure out exactly what Adnan may or may not have said, lemme know, m'kay Kosta?
We can hash out the veracity of any claims made thereafter.
What the hell, if it doesn't work here, you can still use 'em on other threads, in the same manner.
Still, it's a good thing you posted these, else we would have sent our soldiers into Bosnia where those folks would have attacked 'em day and night.
Hey, wait a minute...
This URL has a Newsweek article that gives all sorts of interesting Madrid/"Bosnia"/Al Qaeda/KLA connections.
I don't think that Newsweek is published in Srpska, or that it is particulary pro-Serbian. Am I wrong?
Well, I'm NOT wrong in believing that no tin-pot fascist gauleiter like Paddy Ashdown should have the right to censure, fire, or jail the good cop Andan. Free Srpska!!!!
By DANIEL WOOLLS, Associated Press Writer Wed May 4, 4:05 PM ET
MADRID, Spain - An accused Islamic militant who says he is simply a martial arts and physical education instructor burst into tears Wednesday as he denied belonging to a terrorist cell that allegedly helped plot the Sept. 11 attacks.
Abdulla Khayata Katan, 29, also claimed that Spain's top counterterrorism judge browbeat him into making false statements about fellow defendants.
Katan said guards at a Jordanian jail humiliated and abused him during a three-day interrogation in February 2004.
Judge Baltasar Garzon, an investigative magistrate, then pressured him into falsely incriminating the accused terror cell leader, Imad Yarkas, and others, Katan said.
"I am completely innocent," he said. "I have nothing to do with what they accuse me of."
Hours of the taped testimony were played in court Wednesday. In it, Katan did not complain or sound like he was speaking under duress.
But as the tape played, Katan interjected often. He accused Garzon of putting words in his mouth to suggest Yarkas recruited men for terrorist training in Bosnia and Afghanistan.
Katan said Garzon interrogated him without a translator and at times turned off the recorder to tell him what to say. Katan said the statements he made during the interrogation had "nothing to do with reality."
"I was following Garzon," said Katan, a Spaniard of Syrian origin who was turned over to Spanish officials after the interrogation.
After one session, Katan said Garzon told him to sign a document he did not understand.
"Don't worry, just sign it," Katan quoted Garzon as saying.
When Judge Javier Gomez Bermudez asked why Katan waited until now to recant his statements, the defendant said he had written Garzon five letters asking to testify again, but Garzon refused those requests.
Katan is one of 24 suspected al-Qaida members on trial in Madrid since April 22.
Three are accused specifically of helping plot the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States. In testimony last week, Yarkas denied charges he helped arrange a July 2001 planning session in Spain for a suspected suicide pilot and an alleged coordinator of the airline attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
The other 21 defendants, including Katan, face charges of terrorism, illegal possession of weapons or explosives or other offenses. Katan is not accused of having direct involvement in the Sept. 11 plot.
Garzon indicted these and other fugitive defendants in the case but is not presiding over the trial. He is in New York on a leave of absence, teaching courses on how to fight terrorism.
Prosecutors say Katan was recruited by Yarkas in 1995 to travel from Spain to Bosnia and teach Islamic fighters at a terrorism training camp. He returned to Spain in 1996, formed an offshoot of an al-Qaida cell and aided mujahedeen fighting in Bosnia and Afghanistan, according to prosecutor Pedro Rubira.
Katan acknowledged that he knew Yarkas and Mustafa Setmariam, a fugitive Syrian suspected of being a senior al-Qaida operative, but only from their fund-raising and recruiting activity at a Madrid mosque.
He described them as insistent, domineering men.
"They imposed their way, dominating people," Katan said in the tape.
He said while in Zenica, Bosnia, in 1995, he spent time at a house with Islamic fighters, but only worked there as a martial arts and physical education instructor.
The trial resumes Monday. Sessions are only held Monday through Wednesday.
Hmmmmm....I wonder if AP is as well a Serbian news agency...
Looks like Andan was right....and Hoplite and his mudjahedin buddies (AGAIN...!!!)...dead wrong...!!!!
Aw c'mon. Obviously the prosecutor must be Serbian :-D
Didn't know the AP was an arm of the Serbian propoganda machine. < / sarcasm >
But that doesn't mean that Bosnia is tied to each and every event those folks were involved in after their departure - neither 9/11 or the Madrid attacks feature Bosnia as a central element in either their planning or execution. It is merely one of the countries the jihadis visited in the 1990's, and has about as much to do with both attacks as Afghanistan, Sudan, or Chechnya.
I don't know where you get this notion that "6 degrees of separation" has become the last word in retroactively justifying Serbia's invasion of Bosnia, but unless you disabuse yourselves of the notion, you're in for nothing but continued disappointment.
As it stands, Andan is likely to lose his job over this fiasco if he can't back up his words - in the real world, folks are sometimes held accountable for their actions and statements.
How nice it would be if FR were the same.
Then you should have no problem identifying the official who confirmed this, and providing his statement to that effect, right?
If, on the other hand, what it was was Dani reporting the musings of an "unnamed source", you'll have merely demonstrated your gullibility again, won't you?
I've chased this one down, dj - it isn't going to end happily for you.
As they (Bosnian government) gone tell YOU, if they gave Osama a passport or not....HAHAHAHAHAA.....!!!!
Can you translate this:
"Bin Laden i familija: Alamoudi je, izmeðu ostalog, bio i zamjenik direktora Taibah International Aid Agency, èiji je jedan od osnivaèa bio Abdullah bin Laden, neæak Osame bin Ladena. Taibah je imao urede i u Bosni i Albaniji, a sada je registriran u Hadiæima."
Esad Heæimoviæ, Dani, Sarajevo, Broj 361 - 14.05.2004
Anyway....Andan was right...you were wrong...!!!...And AP and spanish court confirmed it...
Perhaps you'd care to tranlate your passage, so we can compare it against Dani's original article?
I took the trouble of having someone translate that article back in 2003, so if you could discern the name of the individual making the allegations, and upon what grounds they were made, more power to you.
Can you guys plz flag me to Balkan articles? No one does.
Lately I spend most of my time on my Chicago White Sox fan site. All life can't always be Balkans doom and gloom, especially for us Balkan type characters ;-)
BTW, I don't know about you, but this no NHL playoffs crap is really starting to get to me. They're not even showing the World Championships here in Chicago. My last hockey fix was watching North Dakota get its guzi handed to them in the NCAA finals.
You got it.
Unless Andan can produce some evidence to back up his claims, not only will he have made an ass of himself, but he will have given further justification to the OHR's drive to eliminate the RS's separate police force.
Just another day in the Balkans.
What more do you want, even the 3 Major non-cable news networks are reporting the same as Fox and CNN? It is quite obvious your denial lacks the or Rather denies the plausible known - BiH claims by the RS are credible.
lawnman, F.Thomas is washed up! :)
Connections with Attacks in Spain
On April 8 2004, the police in Serbia was in a state of alert due to indications that the followers of Naser Oric, who is currently in custody unit in The Hague where he is waiting on a trial for war crimes, were getting ready to carry out a bigger terrorist act in Belgrade or somewhere else in Serbia.
Oric, a hardcore Islamic fighter, was in charge of Islamic fighters in Srebrenica during the war in BiH and often attacked the Serb villages during the war that ended in 1995. According to the sources, Amer Al-Aziz, Sanel Sjekirica and Rabei Ousmane Ahmed were involved in planning the suggested attacks. Sanel Sjekirica is a Bosnian Muslim, born in Mostar, and was the member of the 7th brigade along with Amer Al-Aziz that fought in the BiH civil war until 1995. It is important to say that in the beginning of April 2004 the Spanish Government issued three additional arrest warrants for Amer Al-Aziz, Sanel Sjekirica and Rabei Ousmane Ahmed.
In the beginning of April 2004 the Spanish Police concluded that those three gathered most of those, who are responsible for the attack in Madrid on March 11 2004, and identified most of the others. A total of five Madrid terrorists are dead now, and 17 of them are in custody, including five bombers under names Yougam, Chaoui, Bekkali, Zbakh (who made bombs) and Ghazoun. The other 12 in custody are charged with having cooperated with them. Nine arrestees were released due to lack of evidence. (GIS sources report that Sanel Sjekirica, who was born in 1980, resides in the Splitska Street #62/11 in Mostar, BiH. It is known that he was taken as a child to the training to the Mujahedeen camp.)
Despite frequent claims of media, which emphasized the Moroccan nature of Madrid attack, the latest arrest warrants showed the permanent Bosnian connection with terrorist activities in a wide spectrum. Terrorist roads through BiH A group that calls itself Abu Najaf Al-Afghani Group Ansar Al-Qaida claimed it was responsible for the attacks in Madrid on April 11 2004 (probably a misprint interpreters note), and a bomb, which was planted later and was not activated on the tracks of a train between Madrid and Seville. This implicated a connection between this group and Moroccans Islamic Battle Group (GICM Groupe Islamique Combatant Marocain), or pointed that they had some overlaps or similar nature.
A videotape, found in the remains of the apartment that was destroyed in a clash between the Spanish group for special ops and bombers on April 3 2004 in Legano, a suburb of Madrid, shows three masked men wearing traditional Arabic clothes and reading an ultimatum in Arabic language stating, Al-Mufti and Ansar Al-Qaida brigades decided to follow the road of jihad and demand an urgent withdrawal of Spanish troops from Muslim countries (for example Iraq).
Also, in the beginning of April 2004, the police from the area of the Gorazde Municipality in the RS a state of Bosnian Serbs within BiH arrested several Kosovo Albanians, who tried to buy explosive. The Gorazde corridor in the RS territory is the main area through which the Islamites must go coming from the Bosnian Islamic territories to the Islamic area of Raska in southern Serbia towards Kosovo and Albania.
The GIS sources also quote that there is information that a very highly ranked member of Al Qaeda was arrested somewhere in the Balkans for some minor crime but under a false name. The GIS sources also say they believe that this was Omar Alavadi. Al Qaedas coordinator in the Balkans Omar Alavadi from Saudi Arabia is Al Qaedas official, directly in charge of Al Qaedas coordination in the Balkans. It is known that he is a very close associate of Osama Bin Laden and that he is closely affiliated with Fatah Ali Hasanin, one more Saudi who is in charge of extreme jihad in the SE Europe.
During the crisis in Kosovo, Hasanin was in Macedonia (Skopje, Tetovo and Gostivar). He would go to Kosovo from there from time to time in a vehicle that belongs to KFOR (NATOs forces for protection in Kosovo) with the French license plates. At that time he had meetings with Hasim Taci, a former leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) a terrorist and guerilla organization. Taci is presently the leader of the Kosovo Democratic Party.
It is believed that Taci conducted necessary preparations for a military training of Albanian terrorists in Macedonia, and that he is in contact with extremists in Tetovo, Gostivar, Skopje and Kicevo. In the meantime, the GIS sources in the region identified the key Iranian officials, responsible for terrorist operations in the Balkans. They were named as Ismet Kryeziu, who is considered to be the key Iranian that controls the paramilitary formations belonging to Albanian ethnic groups, which are active in the Balkans; and Asllan Hudut, a close associate to Ismet Kryeziu, who is considered to be in charge of Islamisation and radicalization of Albanians in the Balkans. sd (Gregory Copley pg 12&13 of 52)
one post up, fyi
No credibility whatsoever.
from our own puplication, the tuzla owl.