Posted on 05/10/2005 10:03:47 PM PDT by CHARLITE
She is correct, I did mix up the two names and for this I appologize. Not that one is any better than the other, but it was a gross mistake on my part. Barb
Interesting assertion, but the author provides little by way of corroboration.
You've got that right!
The Islamic attack on America began when Sirhan Bishara Sirhan shot Bobby Kennedy on June 5, 1968.
According to Jayna Davis, Zaraqawi was in OK just prior to the bombing. From her website, referring to her book The Third Terrorist:
The notorious Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, bin Laden’s No. 2 man, delivered the communiqué. Learn clandestine details about Zawahiri’s 1995 foray to Oklahoma to ensure the Murrah Building bomb would net the maximum body count.
I haven't read the book, but maybe someone who has a copy could check to see if and how that info is sourced.
With rigor, one can avoid the Konspirazoid Kookland so many others fall into.
As a country, we can’t hide in our homes, but do not be fooled, radical Islam is the true Islam and we must deal with it. Don’t make the mistake of thinking it is not here. Islamic terrorists are in America and many are Americans. When the order comes to kill, these terrorists will kill for Islam and for the first time since the Civil War, Americans will be forced to kill fellow Americans in battle. Such is the power of Islam.
Thank you for making America aware of these animals.
bttt
Exactly !!!!
A) they cannot defeat us; if we the People truly thought Islam was at war with us, BUFFs would soon thereafter turn their wahhabi dens into glass skating rinks. Just look at our history - in the Spanish-American war, we thought the Maine was sabotaged by the Spanish; the public was all for war. Ditto Pearl Harbor - sucker punch broke the honor code, and overnight a country that was strongly isolationist started lining up at the recruiting booths. Moral of this truth: if we the People comprehensively and in practical terms completely decide that "they're all enemies", there will be nothing to save them - murderous vermin and victims-formerly-filling-Saddamite-Mass-Graves alike;
B) If (A) above were to happen, innocents - including the silent portion of the PROP who truly want to reform their canon - would die. IOW, no chance for reformation, no chance for PROP to grow up, just lots of dead bodies;
C) Ergo, the TROP formulation can be viewed not as naivete on our part, but an ironic way of warning the timid among our enemies that if they don't start acting like a real TROP, they will be eradicated. Sort of "I call you TROP even though you're not, but you really, really oughta consider living up to this characterization. Or Else..."
The formulation rides to our sense of fair play and honor, as well as giving a chance to the possibility of an actual reformation (this, btw, is what I think the progress in Iraq with elections, Lebanon, calls for election in Egypt, Libya giving up the WMD, etc., represents -- iow, it's working) within islam. It also - for the time being, at least - prevents the power of true democracy from manifesting itself in a popular rage within our citizenry (just think about how the very same libs shortly after 9-11 were calling for blood... and multiply that by 100) from overcoming moderation and sending us into "total war" mode.
Controversial points for and against the above; one side can say that such policy is a dalliance that only means more Americans die for not getting this done ruthlessly and quickly. Another side (the correct one, imho) sees that mass death from total war is not "yet" needed - A Clausewitzian judgement, indeed, but with a twist on his famous "War is the conduct of policy by another means"... simply replace "conduct" with "failure" above.
To me, this is the most powerful statement of the article.
I agree. I'll see if I can scare up a copy of that book and/or find another source.
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." -- Will Rogers"
This quote is new to me, but it has the Rogers wit all over it : )
""It's easy to be a humorist when you've got the whole government working for you." --Will Rogers "
Thought you might like another. I lifted it from Former Dodgers homepage.
ping for later
Thanks for the ping AAC.
This deserves more attention.
That story was posted here.
Zarqawi was in a Jordanian prison from 1992 to 1999.
Source: Reuters, http://www.iraq.net/displayarticle6755.html
Anyone can post a statement like that on the Web, but if it isn't sourced in any way, it's not worth much.
JM Berger
http://www.intelwire.com
The notorious Dr. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, bin Laden’s No. 2 man, delivered the communiqué. Learn clandestine details about Zawahiri’s 1995 foray to Oklahoma to ensure the Murrah Building bomb would net the maximum body count.
You are confusing the two again. It was Zawahiri, not Zaraqawi that was in OKC. Also:
Ramzi Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols crossed paths in the Phillipines. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given money and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.
See also:
See the post right above yours
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