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Afghans riot over abuse of Koran
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | 5/11/05

Posted on 05/11/2005 8:40:07 AM PDT by ppaul

Kabul: Three people were killed and at least 60 injured when police clashed with more than 5000 Afghans infuriated by reports that US soldiers had desecrated the Koran at Guantanamo Bay prison camp.

"We have two dead in our hospital and 47 wounded. Three of the people injured are in a serious condition," said Mohammed Ayob, deputy director of the public health hospital in the eastern city of Jalalabad.

"The medical university hospital, the second hospital of the city, has registered one dead and 12 wounded are in hospital. Some other people with light injuries were cared for and have been discharged."

Witnesses said police opened fire as the crowd rampaged through the city yesterday.

Jalalabad police chief Abdul Rehman said: "Initially the demonstrators were peaceful but then a group joined them and the mob turned violent."

Western security sources said the governor's office and those of several aid agencies including UNICEF, the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund, were set on fire.

The US State Department said on Tuesday that the Pentagon was looking into a report in Newsweek magazine that interrogators at the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, kept copies of the Koran in toilets to annoy prisoners.

The protesters, which one police source in Jalalabad said numbered "maybe 10,000", also denounced US-backed President Hamid Karzai, shouting: "Death to America's allies" and "Death to Karzai" as well as "Death to Bush". US troops stationed in the city stayed in their base, witnesses said.

The reports have also infuriated close US ally Pakistan.

The mostly Muslim country's foreign ministry demanded an explanation while parliament and cricket hero-turned politician Imran Khan urged Washington to apologise.

Mr Karzai is due to visit the US this month where he said he will seek special long-term ties with Washington.

¡ The US and other countries have secretly sent scores of Islamist prisoners to Egypt since the mid-1990s, where they have likely been tortured, a human rights group said on Tuesday.

Human Rights Watch issued a 53-page report criticising Egypt as the world's main recipient of prisoners, including suspected Islamist militants believed to offer useful intelligence for the US war on terrorism.

The report, titled Black Hole: The Fate of Islamists Rendered to Egypt, identifies 61 people who have been transferred into Egyptian custody since 1994.



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KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; bullzogby; crymeariver; cultofdeath; givethemabeer; islam; islamofascism; jihad; korandesecration; koranimals; muslim; newsweak; newsweek; proterrorist; rop; trop; whiningmuslims
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The US State Department said on Tuesday that the Pentagon was looking into a report in Newsweek magazine that interrogators at the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, kept copies of the Koran in toilets to annoy prisoners.

Can you imagine all this brou-ha-ha if during WWII it was discovered that U.S. GI's were keeping copies of Mein Kampf in latrines? Horrors!

The [Human Rights Watch] report, titled Black Hole: The Fate of Islamists Rendered to Egypt, identifies 61 people who have been transferred into Egyptian custody since 1994

Just 61 in 11 years? That's all? BFD.


1 posted on 05/11/2005 8:40:07 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: ppaul

Cattle.


2 posted on 05/11/2005 8:41:54 AM PDT by Skooz (Jesus Christ Set Me Free of Drug Addiction in 1985. Thank You, Lord.)
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To: ppaul

Mein Kampf was/is not a religious text. Big difference.


4 posted on 05/11/2005 8:47:16 AM PDT by keepingtrack
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To: ppaul

Wait til these clowns get a gander at Q'ran TP...


5 posted on 05/11/2005 8:48:04 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: ppaul

Irresponsible Newsweak.


6 posted on 05/11/2005 8:48:04 AM PDT by demlosers (Rumsfeld: "We don't have an exit strategy, we have a victory strategy.'')
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To: ppaul

Thank you Newsweek for once again be the TRAITOROUS B*stards that you and the rest of the MSM are.


7 posted on 05/11/2005 8:48:29 AM PDT by Vaquero ('I'm a Red Stater, trapped in the body of a Blue State')
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To: ppaul

What is going to happen when they learn that I use pages of the Koran to wipe my ass everyday? That I fart toward Mecca should really drive them off the edge.


8 posted on 05/11/2005 8:48:31 AM PDT by speed_addiction (If you expect the worse out of everybody, you won't be disappointed___Frank Castle)
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To: TonyRo76
« Initially the demonstrators were peaceful but... »

Do Muslims ever have "demonstrations" that don't turn violent?

Violence is Islam's main tenet...

9 posted on 05/11/2005 8:48:44 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: Vaquero

one more thing Newsweek, if it were WWII and your Hero, Socialist Franklin, were to do something like this against...oh lets say the Japanese....you would have kept your f*cking mouths shut now wouldn't you (and the MSM in general)


10 posted on 05/11/2005 8:50:30 AM PDT by Vaquero ('I'm a Red Stater, trapped in the body of a Blue State')
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To: keepingtrack
Mein Kampf was/is not a religious text. Big difference.

Neither is the KORAN,.....IT'S A HOW TO BOOK FOR MURDERS !!!IMHO

11 posted on 05/11/2005 8:50:43 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: ppaul
Let me fix the title.

Newsweek is responsible for 2 dead and 47 wounded in Afghanistan.


12 posted on 05/11/2005 8:50:52 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: ppaul

Mein Kampf ? Not quite the same as a "sacred document" revered by millions. After all the trouble to avoid even the appearance of this conflict being a "holy war", this kind of religious insult was needlessly reckless. My opinion.


13 posted on 05/11/2005 8:51:36 AM PDT by lsee
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To: keepingtrack
Uhmmmm... That depends on your perspective. To many Nazis, it was. They worshiped the Fuhrer. His words were their Bible.

I do not consider Islam to be a holy religion. It is a murderous cult established by Satan. But that's just my opinion. Which would, incidently, get me killed in many Muslim countries by their governments. Which would prove my point....

14 posted on 05/11/2005 8:52:56 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: ppaul
Crossposted thread on this topic: Afghan Protest Over Quran Turns Deadly
15 posted on 05/11/2005 8:54:33 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: keepingtrack

"Mein Kampf was/is not a religious text. Big difference."

Not really. Hitler was the German's "God".

And islam is not a religion, it's a cult of death.

The comparison is therefore valid.


16 posted on 05/11/2005 8:55:29 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: lsee

"...this kind of religious insult was needlessly reckless."

So was reporting the incident.


17 posted on 05/11/2005 8:57:08 AM PDT by poobear
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To: ppaul
The US State Department said on Tuesday that the Pentagon was looking into a report in Newsweek magazine that interrogators at the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, kept copies of the Koran in toilets to annoy prisoners.

I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way.

18 posted on 05/11/2005 8:57:12 AM PDT by killjoy (Real Men Love Bush)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I'm kinda looking at this little uprising as a "signal" to others when I tie it to everything else going on....an excuse for some sneaky Arabs to gather there or elsewhere.


19 posted on 05/11/2005 8:57:35 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ppaul
Well Newsweak is at it again.

These fruitcakes (Newsweak) do not understand that the crap printed in these anti-American rags is fed to these ignorant Moslem's and they believe anything lock stock and barrel.
20 posted on 05/11/2005 8:57:52 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: speed_addiction

It is just another book. We as a country are not allowed to get upset when a U.S. flag is burned and I assume if a Bible were degregated.

That said I think using that tactic to loosen up prisoners is okay. It is a mind job. I think we should be feeding them ham sandwiches to boot. We are at war.

After I read one I deface every copy I can find.


21 posted on 05/11/2005 8:58:14 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: ppaul
Here's an idea.................Do not allow Qur'ans at GITMO.
22 posted on 05/11/2005 8:59:36 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: brownsfan

I don't think there's any evidence that the Germans worshipped Hitler in the way you would worship a god. Having a cult of personality is not akin to worship.


23 posted on 05/11/2005 8:59:59 AM PDT by keepingtrack
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To: ppaul

Received a call from my son this morning from J'bad and he absolutely insists no US soldiers involved in any of this unlike reported by Fox and others that American soldiers are shooting up the crowd. Soldiers have not left the PRT.


24 posted on 05/11/2005 9:00:24 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa
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To: poobear
So was reporting the incident.

Oh, I TOTALLY AGREE...and if we could edit posts here, I'd add that to mine. Totally agree...

25 posted on 05/11/2005 9:00:54 AM PDT by lsee
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To: ppaul
Anything to make the Muslim world believe that the US is the Great Satan.


Its not the people that are the problem its the Clerics.
26 posted on 05/11/2005 9:01:14 AM PDT by PureTrouble
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To: lsee
After all the trouble to avoid even the appearance of this conflict being a "holy war", this kind of religious insult was needlessly reckless.

I agree wholeheartedly! Newsweek shouldn't have done it.

27 posted on 05/11/2005 9:01:20 AM PDT by pgyanke (The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God.)
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To: killjoy
I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way.

I doubt it.
28 posted on 05/11/2005 9:01:32 AM PDT by speed_addiction (If you expect the worse out of everybody, you won't be disappointed___Frank Castle)
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To: ppaul

Received a call from my son this morning from J'bad and he absolutely insists no US soldiers involved in any of this unlike reported by Fox and others that American soldiers are shooting up the crowd. Soldiers have not left the PRT.


29 posted on 05/11/2005 9:01:39 AM PDT by eaglesiniowa
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To: ppaul

This is total propaganda fluff.

Yet the MSM are COMPLETE AND TOTAL SUCKERS for this.

CNN, the alphabets, MSNBC, and even Fox Reporters and Reporterettes expose their light weight brain power by reporting this seriously.

In that part of the world the Christian Bible is ILLEGAL and WILL be destroyed upon confiscation.


30 posted on 05/11/2005 9:02:24 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: ppaul

I think we should start rioting every time a Muslim kills a Christian; take Sudan for example.


31 posted on 05/11/2005 9:03:10 AM PDT by bella1 (red county, blue state)
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To: killjoy

I would be just as mad at Newsweek as I am. They have no business being the propaganda arm of our enemies-- regardless of our enemies' religious affiliation.


32 posted on 05/11/2005 9:03:32 AM PDT by pgyanke (The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God.)
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To: keepingtrack

The Koran represents a political ideology as much as it does a religion.

Slaves siezed in jihad must be taken to an "Islamic territory" to be divided up. The invasion into Spain was to establish a Western capital for Islam.

The Christian Bible makes no distinction of borders. Islam does.


33 posted on 05/11/2005 9:04:17 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: ppaul
Boy! Just wait till the liberal Afghans try to take the koran out of their court houses!
34 posted on 05/11/2005 9:05:41 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: ppaul
They don't have a pot to piss in two thirds are illiterate and they go nuts over something like this?

Sorry excuse for a people!

35 posted on 05/11/2005 9:05:49 AM PDT by bubman
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To: One Proud Dad

The left had no problems with psy-op pressure techniques being used in Waco.

These terrorists (who quickly re-up with the movement when they are released) certainly deserve no better treatment than we gave our own citizens on their own property.


36 posted on 05/11/2005 9:06:26 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: ppaul

I wonder what Saudi Arabia does with any bibles they find in their country.


37 posted on 05/11/2005 9:07:29 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: lsee

I know you meant it. Just finishing the thought for you. ;)


38 posted on 05/11/2005 9:07:42 AM PDT by poobear
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To: lsee
...this kind of religious insult was needlessly reckless.

If ONE prisoner was so degraded that he gave information that saved ONE U.S. Soldier's life, then I wouldn't call it "needless". The goal was to coax information from these "people". Defiling a stack of paper pulp seems fairly reasonable to me...even in front of those paragons of religious tolerance called Muslims.

39 posted on 05/11/2005 9:08:40 AM PDT by Lekker 1 ("Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"- Harry M. Warner, Warner Bros., 1927)
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To: lsee

The 'official' statements from our government is that this is 'not a religious war'. They know very well that it is. Diplomacy- and an amount of naivete,IMO, -prevents that from being said.
The soldiers in the field, the ones dealing with this face to face, know damn well that is IS a 'holy' war - and they are fighting against the UNholy ones. You don't prosecute them for it- you praise and encourage them.

To win- you use the best weapons you have, physical and psychological. They want to use the Koran to dominate the world-use the Koran to defeat them. Immerse it in urine. Line a pig pen with it. Paper the floor with it and leave not a place to walk that isn't on Mohammeds word.
Why should we respect their document of death and destruction when it proposes all other religions be eradicated?

If the idea is which side is going to dominate the world- and make no mistake, it is- then it has to start face-to-face, one on one. They will tell us how to act, or we will tell them. Islam is that black and white. To go on thinking compromise and reason are possible( with entire Muslim countries, or individual Muslims) is suicidal.


40 posted on 05/11/2005 9:12:25 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: Publius6961

I hear all the Muslims in gitmo have been converted to Christians. Uh-oh! /sarasm

It's strange that they would kill each other in protest of where the koran is placed.

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


41 posted on 05/11/2005 9:12:57 AM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com
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To: keepingtrack

"Having a cult of personality is not akin to worship."

It's open for debate. The Germans loved this guy enough to institue the final solution. And most Germans, although not fully aware of what was going on, turned a blind eye to something they knew was evil. However, my point was that worship of Hitler approached a religion, while not attaining that status.

And islam is a cult.

Cult of death, cult of personality. Equivalence.


42 posted on 05/11/2005 9:13:31 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: killjoy

Moral relativism, equating Islam with Christianity and Judaism. You can think it if you want to because you live in a free country. That position would get you killed in Iran.


43 posted on 05/11/2005 9:15:58 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: ppaul

"kept copies of the Koran in toilets to annoy prisoners."

Whats the big deal? I use pages of the koran for my tp. :)


44 posted on 05/11/2005 9:17:07 AM PDT by Tempestuous
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Mad Mohammad and his murderous minions are going to have a real fit if I'm able to complete project pigskin koran.

It's a copy of the whorely koran lovingly hand bound in authentic American Yorkshire pig skin harvested from a farm raised hog destined for the table of infidels.

The skin itself will be hand tanned using the brains of the pig in a process that leading mohammadan theologians call a miracle.

Bound within will be the fairytale of allah, blood thirsty demon and master of the insane pedophile mohammad and all of the fevered hallucinations that compose the most whorely book of the mohammadans.

Look for it in late winter of 2005 or early spring of 2006 (got to be cold to slaughter hogs) or whenever we get around to butchering Mohammad the Pig (yes, that is his name).
45 posted on 05/11/2005 9:18:34 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (This tagline brought to you by Islam. Islam, only the best of the 12th century for you and yours.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Everyone should go back and re-read ClearBlueSky's Post No. 40 because he understands this war better than anyone in the media or in government.


46 posted on 05/11/2005 9:19:28 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: killjoy

"I wonder if those on this thread making light of this would have similar feelings of joy if the bible or torah was used in the same way."

We wouldn't organize our churches to go out and kill innocent people...BIG DIFFERENCE!

The bible is treated much worse in the same countries which are demanding this high level of respect. The bible is often placed in hotel room where whores and john get together- American church don't go out in the community killing people in protest.

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


47 posted on 05/11/2005 9:20:32 AM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com
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To: poobear

Let them get used to this!


48 posted on 05/11/2005 9:23:25 AM PDT by eclectic (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: ppaul
This is further supporting data that "mainstream Islam" is more than slightly unhinged.

Why don't we convert these people to Christianity? Doesn't it stand to reason that since Islam was spread by the sword and forced upon millions of Christians and Jews it should be "unspread" by the sword?

49 posted on 05/11/2005 9:24:58 AM PDT by Natural Law
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