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Investigators offer reward in steelhead killings
Santa Cruz Sentinel ^ | By BRIAN SEALS

Posted on 05/11/2005 1:50:08 PM PDT by freebilly

DAVENPORT — Almost two months after a dozen fish were killed at a Davenport hatchery, federal investigators are looking for a break in the case.

NOAA Fisheries investigators are offering $5,000 for information about the mid-March killing of the steelhead at the hatchery operated by the Monterey Bay Salmon and Trout Project

"If we crack it, it will be because of public input," NOAA Fisheries Agent Joe Giordano. "We just haven’t had much luck."

Investigators said a freshwater tank had been tainted with chlorine. The dead fish were discovered during a routine check of the tank.

Steelhead in Central California are listed as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act and harming them can land a person in jail for up to six months.

The incident cut short this year’s effort at restoring steelhead to the San Lorenzo River, said Dave Streig, the only paid employee of the otherwise volunteer group.

Seven of the dead fish were females, he said. Those females can produce 5,000 to 9,000 eggs.

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Three mature females were able to be released back into the river.

The hatchery has operated since 1982 on property owned by Big Creek Lumber Co.

The group has released more than 2 million salmon and steelhead into streams since the effort began, while also offering educational programs for schoolchildren.

Steelhead are born in freshwater and migrate to the ocean, where they reach adulthood before returning to fresh water to reproduce.

Investigators asked that anyone with information call NOAA’s law enforcement hotline at (800) 853-1964 or call Giordano at (707) 575-6073.


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Almost two months after a dozen fish were killed at a Davenport hatchery, federal investigators are looking for a break in the case....

Steelhead in Central California are listed as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act and harming them can land a person in jail for up to six months.

Yeah, steelhead are "threatened" my @$$. These are the same fish that are found all over the rivers of the Western US. No way this should involve federal investigators....

1 posted on 05/11/2005 1:50:09 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: freebilly

Maybe it's ELF, trying to kill of the recreational fishing industry...


2 posted on 05/11/2005 1:58:52 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems are putting all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: freebilly

I like a Lake Superior steelhead on the charcoal grill. Gutted, gilled, head removed so it will fit on the Weber. Briquettes on either side of the fish. A shallow pan of beer to keep things moist. About 25 minutes, then flip over. Maybe some apple wood chips. Maybe not.


3 posted on 05/11/2005 2:04:14 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: theDentist
Maybe it's ELF, trying to kill of the recreational fishing industry...

I know the enviro wackos are complete idiots, but would they really try to kill the recreational fishing industry by getting rid of all the fish?

Seems a bit counterproductive to me.

4 posted on 05/11/2005 2:06:58 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: freebilly
Guaranteed it is the local envirowhacks who did it. The Monterey Bay Salmon and Trout Project runs entirely upon donations and volunteer labor. It is located on Big Creek Lumber Company land free of charge. They use the most sophisticated hatchery practices found anywhere. Without it, there would be no coho here because coho wouldn't make it in natural streams for very long and never did.

Now that we have a federal court ruling that hatchery salmon and steelhead count in whether species are endangered, there is no more excuse to maintain what was a fraudulent listing in the first place (except the $750 MILLION dollars the California Department of Fish and Game intends to spend "improving" salmon and steelhead habitat).

Getting rid of the hatchery guarantees that the RICOnuts stay in power forever, which pleases their sponsors in the real estate racketeering business to no end. They don't want any hatcheries.

5 posted on 05/11/2005 2:07:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: freebilly

There are millions of steelhead in lake michigan, all the great lakes and all their tributaries. They can have all they want


6 posted on 05/11/2005 2:10:24 PM PDT by hoosierboy
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To: Carry_Okie

Pretty interesting observations. Thanks for your input.


7 posted on 05/11/2005 2:12:37 PM PDT by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Baseball!)
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To: Carry_Okie
That angle seems a lot more plausible to me than the previous one.

Speaking of enviro wackos, I made the mistake of watching some dopey kid's movie with my son. It was called "Little Bigfoot." Of course the bad guys were evil loggers, but I kind of expected that. They were bad loggers, poaching trees and wildlife and breaking all sorts of laws, environmental or otherwise.

But what shocked me was that the hero chick was tree-spiking envirobitch who also poured sugar into tractor gas tanks! I explained to my son, "That girl is a very evil person, even though this movie is pretending otherwise. People die when idiots like her put spikes in trees. Oh, and this is the last time we're watching this movie."

And "Little Bigfoot" and his mom looked like the guys in gorilla suits from old Abbott and Costello movies.

8 posted on 05/11/2005 2:12:48 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I've got half a steelhead in the freezer for this weekend's bar-b-que....


9 posted on 05/11/2005 2:13:48 PM PDT by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Baseball!)
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To: dead

Yes, they'd do such a hare brained thing.
In their eyes, stocked fish aren't 'natural'.
So by killing fish in stock tanks, they're 'cleansing the fish gene pool of human interference' in their small minds.

Just like in their minds, burning a building and construction vehicles makes sense despite the fire putting out far more pollution than either the house or the vehicles would in their entire service lives.

That basically is their way of 'thinking'.


It is possible that idiot kids thought it'd be a great 'joke.'
I've seen some stupid kids lately.
Week and a half ago, some pretty stupid kids burned down a building near me.
They were playing 'flamethrower' with fix a flat and grenaded the can.
Which lit the building, and destroyed all the classic vehicles stored inside.


*groan*

So there you have it, two possibilities to ponder.
Stupid kids, or delusional envirowackies.


10 posted on 05/11/2005 2:14:36 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a flaw in my surreality, it's totally unrealistic.)
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To: freebilly

Twelve fish.


11 posted on 05/11/2005 2:16:11 PM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: dead

While their goals are long term, the individuals behind it seem to lack any depth, an inability to think beyond the immediate.


12 posted on 05/11/2005 2:17:39 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems are putting all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: RobRoy

Seven of the fish were women....


13 posted on 05/11/2005 2:17:46 PM PDT by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Baseball!)
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To: dead
That angle seems a lot more plausible to me than the previous one.

Yup, follow the money. Here is a book chapter on that topic. I'm the author.

But what shocked me was that the hero chick was tree-spiking envirobitch who also poured sugar into tractor gas tanks!

Yeah, they're much smoother about the propaganda on Animal Planet or the National Geographic. Unfortunately, those folks are also much more dangerous.

14 posted on 05/11/2005 2:24:04 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: freebilly

I bet it was done by some envirofreak...


15 posted on 05/11/2005 2:25:49 PM PDT by Altamira (Get the UN out of the US, and the US out of the UN!)
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To: freebilly
Pretty interesting observations. Thanks for your input.

There are five hundred pages of serious documentation that back it up.

Environmentalism has become all about controlling who gets to make money (if it was ever really about anything else, given its origins).

16 posted on 05/11/2005 2:26:11 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Awesome! Thanks!


17 posted on 05/11/2005 2:27:13 PM PDT by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Baseball!)
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To: Darksheare
Stupid kids, or delusional envirowackies.

That location is pretty isolated and remote for it to have been the former.

18 posted on 05/11/2005 2:27:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: freebilly

>>Seven of the fish were women....<<

What?! No children and minorities?!


19 posted on 05/11/2005 2:28:57 PM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: freebilly
I should tell you that I wrote that book.
20 posted on 05/11/2005 2:29:32 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: freebilly
Their trick is to fine a waterway where they do not naturally or ordinarily spawn. They then do a count and find the numbers low. The steelhead are then "threatened"...in that particular waterway. This last part is what they leave out.

Another part of their trick is to count only the "native" steelhead and not those released by the hatchery. I suppose they do a total count and then subtract the numbers released.

What they don't tell you with this little trick is that SECOND GENERATION IS NATIVE!!!!

It is a ruse to keep the people who own the land and waterways off the land and waterways.
21 posted on 05/11/2005 2:29:58 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Is it any good?

Just kidding!

22 posted on 05/11/2005 2:30:25 PM PDT by freebilly (Go Santa Cruz Baseball!)
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To: EggsAckley; Boot Hill; sasquatch; farmfriend
Santa Cruz enviro-thug ping.
23 posted on 05/11/2005 2:30:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: dead
They can control vast amount of waterways through regs. It is absolutely absurd, the tricks they play.

And yes, they do shut down the waterways for months at a time up here in Washington state, just because they can, and just because they know that the fisherman will continue to buy licenses (their funding) year after year.
24 posted on 05/11/2005 2:31:38 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: freebilly

5000 dollars for killing 12 fish ?? WTF ?


25 posted on 05/11/2005 2:34:50 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who don't)
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To: freebilly
Is it any good?

Depends upon if you have the determination to read it.

The first chapter is a bear (it's online). The next two lay a foundation. Then it gets interesting with a long lesson in resource economics as applied to the deliberate conversion of timber industry land to residential real estate in Santa Cruz, using zoning and regulatory power.

Then you get the theory of a free proposed market system followed by four cases that show how and why it would work both for humanity and God's gift thereto.

The book winds up with a discussion of the law, the UN, and why the environment is a life and death issue for this nation. It's a monster, but it's important.

26 posted on 05/11/2005 2:35:15 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: dead
I know the enviro wackos are complete idiots, but would they really try to kill the recreational fishing industry by getting rid of all the fish?

ELF burns down houses, which is also weird for a tree-saving group.

27 posted on 05/11/2005 2:37:07 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Centurion2000
5000 dollars for killing 12 fish ?? WTF ?

But about 80,000 Eggs.

28 posted on 05/11/2005 2:38:47 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe; dead
They can control vast amount of waterways through regs.

Make that, entire waterSHEDS. All the land from ridge to ridge.

Interesting isn't it, that the spill you have to allow down the river for fish, instead of saving them, causes the fish more harm than good (the extra oxygen attacks their systems). It costs you $3 BILLION dollars in natural gas to make up for the lost hydro power.

Now, for twenty points, guess who funds the greenie lawsuits to list the fish? Hmmmm?

The Pew "Charitable" Trusts, also known as SUNOCO.

29 posted on 05/11/2005 2:40:13 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Do you 'pat' the fish to remove contaminants before or after cooking? Here in Alaska we don't have that quandary!


30 posted on 05/11/2005 2:41:19 PM PDT by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: Always Right

Bingo. Hope they catch the jerks that did this, enviros or not.

Here in Oregon, I haven't even bothered with going fishing the last couple of years. Too many regs, despite seemingly ever increasing fish runs.


31 posted on 05/11/2005 2:46:58 PM PDT by Ecthelion
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To: midnightson
When I lived up north, fishing was after work, say, around 4pm. I washed and iced the fish for lunch the next day. With some potato salad or wild rice, this served five or six guys.
I've never fished Alaska, but sure would like to.
32 posted on 05/11/2005 2:50:04 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Carry_Okie

They don't want any hatcheries.
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Nope! They don't want no steeeeeeeeenkin' hatcheries !!! ;-))



33 posted on 05/11/2005 2:56:29 PM PDT by GeekDejure ("That may be too late!" -- Laura)
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To: freebilly

Steelhead and other salmon species are indeed threatened in the region. I have a family member who works at a hatchery. Those funds have been cut and people laid off right and left. My license fees pay for conservation and any unathorized take of any fish, whether it be this or poaching, is a disturbing issue. Any local extinction is disturbing as well, from an angler/conservationist viewpoint.


34 posted on 05/11/2005 3:32:29 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: Carry_Okie

"Guaranteed it is the local envirowhacks who did it."

No way. As much as you might not like environmentalists, they care very deeply about endangered species. They do, as well, volunteer their time to preserve species. I have a close friend who seeks out and photographs threatened and endangered wildflowers all over California, every year, and donates his pictures to preservation projects and museums. You will not convince me he is a flower killer. His work had gone toward preserving several varieties that would otherwise be lost to us.


35 posted on 05/11/2005 3:36:14 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: Darksheare

"In their eyes, stocked fish aren't 'natural'.
So by killing fish in stock tanks, they're 'cleansing the fish gene pool of human interference' in their small minds."

Stocked fish aren't natural, but if an "enviornmental whacko" did anything, he'd bust the dams (representing human interference), not kill off the fish. Just because you disagree with eco politics doesn't mean people who care about the enviornment are criminals.


36 posted on 05/11/2005 3:38:50 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: Darksheare

"Just like in their minds, burning a building and construction vehicles makes sense despite the fire putting out far more pollution than either the house or the vehicles would in their entire service lives."

Who is "they?" Anyone who works on behalf of the enviornment? Why clump in millions of well-meaning conservationists with a few mentally ill folks who take up the extremist banner? Isn't it easy to demonize the many based on the actions of a few? Are all pro-life people abortion doctor killers because of a few deranged folks?
If not, you'll have to consider that most conservationists are law-abiding, well meaning folks who selflessly give of their time to help God's creation.


37 posted on 05/11/2005 3:45:56 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: theDentist

"While their goals are long term, the individuals behind it seem to lack any depth, an inability to think beyond the immediate."

It seems people have quickly jumped to conclusions here. When the perp is found, will there be retractions?


38 posted on 05/11/2005 3:47:48 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist

If you deem it necessary, you will be welcome to.


39 posted on 05/11/2005 4:23:16 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems are putting all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: freebilly; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

List of Ping lists

40 posted on 05/11/2005 4:54:54 PM PDT by farmfriend (Send in the Posse)
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To: dead

Seems a bit counterproductive to me




Generally how radical fringe groups wind up.


41 posted on 05/11/2005 4:57:15 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: followerofchrist; GeekDejure
No way. As much as you might not like environmentalists, they care very deeply about endangered species.

You don't know diddly about these people, or me.

As much as you might not like environmentalists, they care very deeply about endangered species.

Then why, pray tell, are so many of their policies inevitably destructive to the fish? They think whatever they are told to think buy a professorate and bureaucrats with vested interests in the outcome, not to mention politicians who make a good buck pleasing the corporate interests that cash in on the game.

I have a close friend who seeks out and photographs threatened and endangered wildflowers all over California, every year, and donates his pictures to preservation projects and museums.

I spend full time, six days a week, restoring habitat. The full time work has gone on for three years, and before that there were twelve years part time. I have nearly 300 plant species on my property, most of which I have photographed in all their phases (better than CalPhotos). When your friend has spent $250,000 on land and improvements, spent fifteen weeks solid bent over weeding, when your friend is willing to hang off the end of a rope over a cliff to do it, then I'll know he "cares." Until then, he's doing his volunteer work for self aggrandizement and the sheer pleasure of controlling other people's land.

It's very easy to show that your friend is very likely to be a plant killer. Here's how: Take tarweed for example. This is a species that is endangered in Santa Cruz County. Never mind that it probably isn't a separate species and produces viable hybrids, let's just presume it is in trouble. Well, what do the econuts have codified into law? They have the land where there is tarweed REQUIRED to be preserved, and not touched. Too bad for them that the plant REQUIRES occasional disturbance to survive. It pops up all over wherever a bulldozer has broken up the surface. Worse, a no disturbance policy absolutely guarantees eventual weed infestation and thereafter, extinction.

Most plants on the endangered list in California are either threatened by weeds or are post disturbance (early succession) species.

That's how stupid and destructive these people are, and clearly, so are you to have taken such a pompous position without knowing what you are talking about or whom you are addressing. Your covetous greed to control other people's property without any accountability for the consequences makes me puke.

Read the tagline, and repent.

42 posted on 05/11/2005 5:09:21 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Hopefully the Davenport hatchery has upgraded security a little. Seems like some new locks, automatically closing doors, and bars on windows could save time and money.

Crime investigations in low security public areas probably aren't too successful.

Speaking as someone at a public university who had to call the police in to investigate several burglaries/thefts, nothing changes until you change locks, leaves doors always locked, and put in self-closing doors.

43 posted on 05/11/2005 5:19:11 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: Centurion2000
5000 dollars for killing 12 fish ?? WTF ?

Hey, the recovery plan for Coho is going to cost 750 Thousand LARGE. For those in Rio Linda, that's $750,000,000.00

Yeah, three quarters of a billion dollars. The funny part is that they are not native to the area.
44 posted on 05/11/2005 5:20:06 PM PDT by sasquatch
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To: delacoert
Hopefully the Davenport hatchery has upgraded security a little. Seems like some new locks, automatically closing doors, and bars on windows could save time and money.

Pretty difficult where they are. The tanks are outdoors. A fence wouldn't help much because the spot is so remote.

45 posted on 05/11/2005 5:23:12 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)
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To: followerofchrist

Obviously, you didn't follow the conversation.
"They" are "ELF", "Earth First" and the general population of the enviroWACKIES.


I should know, I used to be one.


46 posted on 05/11/2005 5:30:50 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a flaw in my surreality, it's totally unrealistic.)
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To: followerofchrist

You obviously did not READ anything stated here.
Why not REREAD the ENTIRE post.

ELF is famous for burning houses, Earth First is famous for burning houses.
Both groups have killed ppeople.

No, it is not a simple matter of disagreement, it is a matter of right and wrong, and who is more important people or animals.
ELF, Earth First, and envirowackies in general see ALL human technology as a threat to pristine peaceful animals living in harmony with nature and each other.
Build wind turbines for electricity?
NEVER!
WHy not?
"Birds MIGHT fly into them and be killed!"
Pebble bed nuclear reactors that are pretty much meltdown proof?
Not on your life!
Why not?
"Nuclear power is an evil in all it's forms!"

Again, I used ot BE an enviro.
Trying to feed me a line of BS about how I'm over-reacting and jumping to conclusions on envirowackies won't work.


47 posted on 05/11/2005 5:39:20 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a flaw in my surreality, it's totally unrealistic.)
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To: Carry_Okie

High fences with barbed wire on top and security cameras. Hoping it won't happen again is probably wishful thinking.


48 posted on 05/11/2005 5:40:19 PM PDT by delacoert (imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
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To: delacoert
High fences with barbed wire on top and security cameras. Hoping it won't happen again is probably wishful thinking.

It's a volunteer group on donated space; they don't have that kind of money. They're probably screwed.

If you are interested, I know some of these people and can find out what they plan to do.

49 posted on 05/11/2005 5:45:06 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (And the Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Hmm.
Then I'd have to put my money on the envirowackies.


50 posted on 05/11/2005 5:49:00 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a flaw in my surreality, it's totally unrealistic.)
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