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Posted on 05/12/2005 6:41:16 AM PDT by freepatriot32
We're in the fight of our lives in Washington, DC. High-ranking members of Congress want to take the war on drugs to a whole new level.
They want to increase penalties for every drug offense. They want a mandatory 2-year prison term for anyone who knows someone is selling marijuana on a college campus and fails to report it to the police within 24 hours. They want a mandatory 5-year prison term for someone at a party who passes a marijuana joint to someone who has been enrolled in drug treatment at some point in their life. They want to expand the federal "three strikes and you're out" law to include new offenses, including mandating life imprisonment (with no possibility of parole) for anyone convicted a third time under the RAVE Act.
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These and other horrible provisions are inside Congressman Sensenbrenner's H.R. 1528 entitled "Defending America's Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005". You helped us derail this bill last year, but now it's back - and it's longer and more draconian.
I'm not going to lie, we're up against the most powerful forces in the federal government. We hope you will continue to stand with us in this massive showdown. Some of you have already taken action in key congressional districts and it's had an impact. Once on the fast track, the bill has stalled in committee. Drug war extremists are regrouping, however, and it's only a matter of time before they strike back. We need to keep the heat on members of Congress to kill this bill.
In short, we're up against Goliath. But, we have tens of thousands of "David's" like you on our side. If we all work together we can put up one hell of a
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Are you serious? Who proposed this bill, Senator J. Stalin?
The should rename the act.
Release child molesters and murderers early act.
Oh, that's good. And then when the prisons get even more overcrowded and they start releasing murderers and rapists to make more room, we'll know whom to come after.
What has happened to my beloved Republican party? The federal govt. has no business in any of this. These are state issues. What has happened to the idea of a smaller federal govt.?
At least the bill has no co-sponsors. I can only hope that other congressmen realize the great fooldom of this particular measure.
Is it a joke?
1984 is now...inform on your neighbor...like a good citizen.
They want a mandatory 5-year prison term for someone at a party who passes a marijuana joint to someone who has been enrolled in drug treatment at some point in their life
That would make all party goers responsible for knowing the personal history of everyone there. nuff said
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The same people who wanted to burn the Brothers Grim because their stories had "magic" in them?
It got compassioned away in our out of control spending bills.
"mandatory 5-year prison term for someone at a party who passes a marijuana joint to someone who has been enrolled in drug treatment at some point in their life."
drypowder: "That would make all party goers responsible for knowing the personal history of everyone there. nuff said"
Moreover, it no longer requires the DEAmen and their faithful pigs to carry drop bags or to set up buys. All they need is one shill set loose at a party in order to make several examples, better known as prisoners. It makes it much easier for them to meet their quotas which are needed to justify their war. This is their bread and butter, they can't afford to lose it, but they need to spend less time on it and this will free time up to defend us from terrorism. Sure, this is terrorism! They wish to instill fear of prosecution and incarceration in order to alter individual consumption of a specific herb. But, all they will succeed in doing is increasing the largest prison population in the world. The violent acts of war perpetrated upon our citizenry by the government are only for show. The DEAmen are wrecking selected lives in a misguided belief that they will alter others actions by making examples. This law will lessen their work and increase the terror.
"When the government fears the people there is liberty;
when the people fear the government there is tyranny."
--Thomas Jefferson"
Insanity is being generous. The issue is making sure that there is a steady stream of "customers" for the prison industrial complex.
Looks like the Repub's are being exposed for the fraud that they are and have been for many years. I figured that out when they rolled over and let Clinton get elected plus rescued his presidency by voting in NAFTA & GATT despite overwhleming public opposition as well as the fact that many Dem's were supporting neither trade pact. After seeing the massive increase in ill. immigration and all the billions spent on them, huge increases in deficit spending, the Iraq debacle (where is that approx. 100 million per month in Iraqui oil revenues going anyway?), etc. it should be obvious they're running a nice con game on the majority of Americans.
I hear ya. (Not all Republicans though, I really think a few like Tom Coburn (I am partial, he is my Senator) Jeff Flake of AZ, and few more I am sure.....are for less government, etc....they are just way outnumbered.
But, where is one to go? I would never vote Democrat, voting third party puts the Democrats in charge....so I guess things will just have to get much worse before more people scream and shout.
Not that I am for drug use but when federal representatives start wasting my dime on maryjane use....they have too much time and too much money on their hands. And that is my money!
Pros:
1. Sounds like a gold rush for them if the proposed law is effectively enforced.
2. Likewise for the businesses and unions for subcontractors and suppliers (of construction materials).
3. Dramatic expansion of jobs in the human warehousing sector.
4. Substantial increase in illicit drug prices to reflect the opportunity cost as modified by this proposal.
5. Bonanza for lawyers, judges and court employees as well as correctional officials.
6. Interim good luck for homicidal sexual abusers of children since there will be so little prison room for them in the meantime while we await the creation of the new prisons.
CONS:
1. America and Americans go absolutely broke providing for 10 million or more new prisoners in the neverending crusade to worry ourselves to death over marijuana. (Mind you, I am no fan of mary jane or other free market pharmaceuticals, but I can think of more important expenditures like expanding the armed forces' regular enlistee numbers, acquisition and repair of weaponry, etc., even debt reduction).
Feel free to add more cons. For me, my #1 con is sufficient.
It's also the only way to get the Republicans' attention. Anything else is playing defense, and that's a steadily losing game.
Of all men, Black Elk, should be aware of the sacred herb and the blue man.
Thought crime alert...
It would be cheaper just to shutdown the colleges in this country.
yeah does this remind anyone of anything
The politicans and police just want an excuse, any excuse, to imprison anyone they don't like.
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Regardless of how you think/feel about marijuana, you can't possibly agree with the insanity in this proposed federal legislation if you care one whit about personal freedom. This is scary.
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
How you promote a cause is often more important than which side you are on.
Letting adults addle their own minds is equally as stupid as exposing us all to more rapists and murderers? Not in my book.
Sensenbrenner's having a bad day at FR.
I'll write him and ask what the hell his problem is...
Find at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:1:./temp/~c109PtragB:e1184:
`SEC. 425. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person who witnesses or learns of a violation of sections 416(b)(2), 417, 418, 419, 420, 424, or 426 to fail to report the offense to law enforcement officials within 24 hours of witnessing or learning of the violation and thereafter provide full assistance in the investigation, apprehension, and prosecution of the person violating paragraph (a).
`(b) Any person who violates subsection (a) of this section shall be sentenced to not less than two years or more than
10 years. If the person who witnesses or learns of the violation is the parent or guardian, or otherwise responsible for the care or supervision of the person under the age of 18 or the incompetent person, such person shall be sentenced to not less than three years or more than 20 years.'.
or plug HR 1528 into the window at http://thomas.loc.gov/
How is this any different from those on this board who propose legalizing marijuana and, in exchange, propose "really getting tough" on those who sell to minors?
Looks to me like legislation they would write.
my brother was poin ting out an interesting thing that i ddidnt even think about until he metioned it he says if you know someone is selling weed and you dont say anything you can get 2 years in prison but if you call the cops and they happen t o be bloods or crips selling it you can get tthe death penalty for reporting them.(wich is something they dont force you to do with crack dealers because they know for sure you will get killed before it goes to trial) so your screwed no matter what if this passes.
Bears repeating. (and punctuation!:)
Sorry I was so busy looking over my shoulder to make sure no one was selling marijuana that i didn't see the screen to put the punctuation :-)
Does it strike anyone else as odd that they are proposing making it a felony to not report a misdemeanor? Selling less then one ounce of weed is misdemeanor in every state and now if you don't report it they will charge you with a felony and the seller with a misdemeanor. politicians are the dumbest most retarded people on earth.
I understand and agree.
Looks to me like legislation they would write.
Getting tough on those who sell to minors doesn't imply getting tough on those who know of such sales.
Wonderful. Now you are expected to have read and understood these sections and are under penalty of prosecution if you fail to comply. Everyone is compelled to be an unpaid law enforcement official. As usual, ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Funny how some think that individual-as-cog-of-the-state is a 'conservative' position.
Strawman.
I said I wouldn't be surprised to see exactly that type of legislation written by those who wish to legalize their precious marijuana. IMO, they'd throw the entire U.S. Constitution under the bus if they could just legally smoke dope.
Me too. Are you implying that this is not happening? Can you support it?
I'd be very surprised to see felony noninforming wrt minors in a bill written by legalizers.
Hah! If that were the last thing standing between the legalizers and their precious pot, they'd write it in caps.
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