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Minutemen may patrol Texas border in October
HOUSTON CHRONICLE ^ | Thursday, May 12, 2005 | By Edward Hegstrom

Posted on 05/12/2005 6:49:04 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952

Other patrols are being considered for New Mexico and California

By Edward Hegstrom

HOUSTON CHRONICLE

Thursday, May 12, 2005

HOUSTON -- After spending a month engaged in a citizens patrol along the Arizona-Mexico border, the Minutemen are finalizing plans to come to Texas.

Chris Simcox, the leader of the controversial Arizona project to prevent the entry of illegal immigrants, says he has tentatively set October as a date to begin patrols along the Rio Grande in South Texas.

Other patrols are being considered for New Mexico and California.

But Simcox said that there are serious logistical problems for patrols in Texas. Most of the land along the Texas border is privately owned, and some of it is urbanized, unlike the open lands the group walked in Arizona.

And the same reports of drug violence that have scared some tourists away from the South Texas region also have become a concern to the Minutemen.

"The Texas border is pretty dangerous right now," Simcox said.

That won't scare the Arizona-based citizen patrols away, he said, but it does mean they will be more careful in planning their operations in Texas, which might even include efforts to disrupt the flow of drugs.

"Security becomes a serious issue because we are going to be annoying a lot of people," including leaders of the drug cartels, he said.

The monthlong Minuteman Project patrol in Arizona probably diverted the flow of illegal immigrants instead of preventing it, government officials say.

Minuteman organizers say the Border Patrol apprehended fewer than 5,000 illegal immigrants in the 20-mile region they patrolled for a month, as opposed to 60,000 the year before.

But organizers did serve to draw attention to the issue. President Bush called the Minutemen "vigilantes," but California Gov. Arnold Schwarze- negger praised them.

Houston organizers opposed to illegal immigration say they are ready to go to the border.

"Get geared up and get ready, because we're going to be there in October," said Wanda Schultz of Houston, a representative of Americans for Zero Population Growth.

Schultz and her husband went to Arizona last month to participate in the Minuteman effort.

Border representatives were less enthusiastic.

"I think the Minutemen would probably create more problems than they would solve," Brownsville Mayor Eddie Trevino Jr. said.

Trevino said that most people in South Texas believe the Border Patrol is doing its job. Increased government patrols in recent years have reduced crime in Brownsville, he said.

Texas also has a string of cities with Mexican twin cities, where regular cross-border traffic is a boon to the local economies and where citizen patrols might not be welcome.

"We're trying to distinguish between terrorists and tourists," said Trevino.

That's a difficult task better left to trained professional law enforcement, he added.

Though the Minutemen initially considered patrolling near Brownsville, Simcox said he is considering going much farther northwest, to the Big Bend National Park.

He's also reaching out to South Texas ranchers who might consider inviting the Minutemen to patrol their private land.

But recent history might make that effort more difficult. A group called Ranch Rescue did a number of patrols on private South Texas ranches in 2003, including one on a ranch near Hebbronville. Two illegal immigrants from El Salvador claimed that they were detained, and one said he was pistol-whipped by a Ranch Rescue representative on patrol.

A jury deadlocked on an assault charge against the Ranch Rescue representative. But the two immigrants filed a civil suit against both Ranch Rescue and the landowner. The owner, Joe Sutton, settled out of court.

Simcox says the Minutemen can't be compared with Ranch Rescue. Representatives of the Minutemen have been told to notify the Border Patrol when they spot an illegal immigrant crossing the border but not to attempt an arrest themselves.

Ranch Rescue "took a much more militant approach," Simcox said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2006; 2006election; aliens; border; borderpatrol; borderpolice; closetheborder; disease; drugs; education; english; healthcare; illegals; immigrantlist; laraza; maldef; mecha; mexa; mmp; ms13; nationalsecurity; nomorefreebies; perry; rickperry; ruleoflaw; smuggling; texas; voterfraud
This was in the electronic edition of the Austin American Statesman and supplied by the Houston Chronicle.
1 posted on 05/12/2005 6:49:04 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952
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To: MeekOneGOP; maeng; ValerieUSA; txflake; WinOne4TheGipper; DrewsDad; HiJinx; Gracey; anymouse; ...

Texas Minuteman ping.......

I can't believe it took this long, but better now than never.


2 posted on 05/12/2005 6:51:08 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TV News and the MSM - - - ROTFLMAO)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I think the border states should have the state patrol their border. The FBI investigates crimes in our states and at the same time, state investigators investigate the crimes as well.


3 posted on 05/12/2005 7:02:34 AM PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: gulfcoast6; HiJinx

***I think the border states should have the state patrol their border.***

That is a great idea, but the feds want to have their hands on everything.

HiJinx, I think you have the Border ping lists, or is it someone else?


4 posted on 05/12/2005 7:08:57 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TV News and the MSM - - - ROTFLMAO)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Welcome.


5 posted on 05/12/2005 7:09:43 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: Arrowhead1952; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; Dog Gone; deport; hocndoc; Flyer; Eaker; WOSG; lowbridge; ...
bump / ping!

6 posted on 05/12/2005 7:14:30 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Okay, but think on this (I'm a native of the Texas Border): All of our lower counties are Blue counties, the local governments and people have a very strong Democrat/welfare mentality and the drug culture in firmly entrenched. About 97% of Texas is privately owned, they are going to need permission to set up along the frontier on private property, which is about ALL of the property, which may negatively impact by limiting numbers of watchers on the frontier. It will be an interesting effort, but a worthwhile one.

I am particularly interested in what impact it will have on interrupting drug smuggling operations.

I think the idea is to bring attention to the problem, which the Minutemen are doing very effectively.
7 posted on 05/12/2005 7:32:20 AM PDT by brushcop (Remember SFC David Salie, a gentle giant of a man KIA (2-14-05) Iraq fighting for their liberty.)
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To: brushcop
I think the idea is to bring attention to the problem, which the Minutemen are doing very effectively.

I wish the politicians in DC would take note of the fact that there are so many illegal immigrants and drugs flowing across the border. Seems like that is one issue they are not worried about enough.

I got a survey from Senator Elizabeth Dole asking what my primary concern was for the President's second term. I checked illegal immigration and illegal drugs every time it was a choice and added a comment after every section. I also added this in the "Additional Comments" section.

Close the border.
Close the border.
Close the border.
Close the border.
Close the border.

Then at the end, I added this.

Did I mention Close The Border????

8 posted on 05/12/2005 7:42:09 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TV News and the MSM - - - ROTFLMAO)
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To: rocksblues; conservativecorner; international american; Boston Blackie; libertylass; Marauder; ...

Please excuse any duplicate ping.

FReepmail me if you want on or off this South Texas/Mexico ping list.


9 posted on 05/12/2005 7:50:22 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Remember, this is only a temporary exile!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
The drug-cartel situation in S. Texas makes this very dicey. I hope the Rangers are down there to get the mobsters if they show up.
10 posted on 05/12/2005 7:55:52 AM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: Arrowhead1952
"I think the Minutemen would probably create more problems than they would solve," Brownsville Mayor Eddie Trevino Jr. said.

I am reminded of my time in South Florida in the 1980s, when the mayors and police chiefs of a few cities were arrested for heading conspiracies to assist enormous smuggling operations. They would arrange for the police to always be in the wrong place when the drugs were landed, and they were paid a fortune for this service.

11 posted on 05/12/2005 7:59:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster

12 posted on 05/12/2005 8:00:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3rdcanyon; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; ...
Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
Click to FR-mail me for addition or removal

Public Awareness Campaign Bump and Ping...

13 posted on 05/12/2005 8:04:54 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: HiJinx

Good luck and good hunting.


14 posted on 05/12/2005 8:10:56 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, who's bringing the chips?)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...
BUMP!!!

April 1775

"That for the purpose of effectually carrying into execution the recommendation of the Continental Congress respecting the appointment of minute-men, four thousand able-bodied effective men be enlisted and enrolled in the several counties in this Province, under officers to be appointed and commissioned by this Congress or Committee of Safety, who shall hold themselves in constant readiness, on the shortest notice, to march to any place where their assistance maybe required for the defense of this or any neighboring colony."

15 posted on 05/12/2005 8:11:14 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: MeekOneGOP; HiJinx; Travis McGee; devolve; potlatch; B4Ranch

That area of Texas is like a war zone I'm told. The drug cartel considers it THEIR'S.


16 posted on 05/12/2005 8:12:54 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: texastoo

MMP coming to Texas.


17 posted on 05/12/2005 8:13:31 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: brushcop

You bring up the excellent point of border access. I have two points in return.

/1/ It is unclear if average Americans ("Undocumented Border Patrol Agents") are allowed to travers that strip of federal land right on the border. That is not private property, it is federal land, containing the border fence (such as it is or is not) and the "government road" or "G-road." It is imperative that we iron that question out.

/2/ As in Cali, which I am more familiar with, we must establish a Minuteman strategy of defense in depth, with MM stationed at rural crossroads etc, to watch for alien pick-ups, the load vans, the clown houses etc. This is also very useful, both to relay to the BP, and to film for later use in shaming our complicit federal govt.


18 posted on 05/12/2005 8:13:56 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Yes...good idea to go to the border in October when it will be pleasantly cool. Let the illegals travel through West Texas June-September when the killer temperatures provide some natural protection for our southern border. I think Texans will do a great job of defending our territory.


19 posted on 05/12/2005 8:15:16 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Travis McGee; brushcop; Spiff
It is unclear if average Americans ("Undocumented Border Patrol Agents") are allowed to travers that strip of federal land right on the border.

IIRC, the MMP set up on the G-Road while here in Cochise County. I know for a fact that a former FReeper known for unusual animal husbandry habits routinely drives along that road w/o problem.

20 posted on 05/12/2005 8:26:12 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: HiJinx

Thanks for the 'Ping', HiJinx. This is great news!


21 posted on 05/12/2005 8:59:19 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Arrowhead1952
The border has to be closed. Bill O'Reilly has been saying this quite effectively and he mentioned poll number that the great majority of Americans agree. Only the politicians are reluctant and of course the terrorists/the hate American groups/drug dealers and perverts are livid when this topic comes up
22 posted on 05/12/2005 9:06:48 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: HiJinx

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


23 posted on 05/12/2005 9:15:01 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: HiJinx

Got it. Thanks.


24 posted on 05/12/2005 9:30:07 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: HiJinx

BTTT


25 posted on 05/12/2005 9:34:20 AM PDT by in the Arena (Life may begin at 30, but it doesn't get real interesting until about 110.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Don't mess with Texas...Minutemen.


26 posted on 05/12/2005 9:35:54 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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To: HiJinx

Thanks for the ping.


27 posted on 05/12/2005 9:38:01 AM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Txsleuth

Ping


28 posted on 05/12/2005 9:38:55 AM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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To: Dante3

Amen - the border needs to be closed - with Texas having a thousand miles of open border, I fear we will need thousands of Minutemen to even make an impact.


29 posted on 05/12/2005 9:43:54 AM PDT by Perelandra
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To: Arrowhead1952; Centurion2000
Centurion posted this on the now closed duplicate thread:

[From the article:]But Simcox says there are serious logistical problems for patrols in Texas. Most of the land along the Texas border is privately owned,

Centurion wrote this:

"And probably every single one of them will grant the Minutemen permission to enter and operate so long as they don't abuse the land.

I sure as hell would.

Me too. I'd bake them a cake...from scratch.

30 posted on 05/12/2005 9:45:51 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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To: Arrowhead1952

I will absolutely guarantee that sheer number of the counter-protestors will shock some freepers if the Minutemen do come to Texas. There are many here who simply have no clue.


31 posted on 05/12/2005 9:45:51 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Miss Behave

The good news is that the MM will have to leave their guns behind, when they come to Texas. Open carry is illegal here and concealed carry is by permit only. I'll feel a lot better knowing that I'm armed and they aren't. If they come, I'll be one of many in the counter protest.


32 posted on 05/12/2005 9:48:37 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas

MM...Mainstream Media? ;-)


33 posted on 05/12/2005 9:55:13 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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To: HiJinx
Several years ago, a group of us spent a long weekend on a ranch near Eagle Pass. While there, we visited Piedras Negras. We felt safe on our side during the day but it was a different story at night.

If we hadn't been javelina hunting, I'm not sure we would have made it out alive. Both Friday and Saturday night you could watch the illegals cross the border with no one to challenge them. Both nights they came up to the little house we were all staying in, evidently wanting access to stay themselves. When they saw us there, especially the few females, they pulled out guns and shot at the house. Since we had been javelina hunting, we also were armed and we returned fire. Evidently word got out because we weren't bothered for the rest of our stay (through Wednesday). Calling the local police or the Border Patrol did absolutely nothing, not even a drive by.

I say, more power to the Minutemen. Just be very careful and document, document, document everything.
34 posted on 05/12/2005 9:58:11 AM PDT by Sally'sConcerns (Prayers for TexasCowboy's full success in kicking that nasty cancer's butt. My bet is on TC winning!)
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To: Melas
I will absolutely guarantee that sheer number of the counter-protestors will shock some freepers if the Minutemen do come to Texas. There are many here who simply have no clue.

You have a point there. That all depends on the length of the project. After all, that is during the dove season and if it continues into the deer season,..... well you just can't trust every deer hunter when he or she has a 30.06 or 270 magnum in their hands.

35 posted on 05/12/2005 9:58:22 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (TV News and the MSM - - - ROTFLMAO)
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To: Sally'sConcerns

Oh, wow.

Y'all were lucky...

Javelina? Is there a good way to cook 'em that the meat doesn't taste just raunchy?


36 posted on 05/12/2005 10:04:27 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: HiJinx

We slow cooked them all day over mesquite we found on the ranch. I normally don't like gamey food but that was some great eating!


37 posted on 05/12/2005 10:07:35 AM PDT by Sally'sConcerns (Prayers for TexasCowboy's full success in kicking that nasty cancer's butt. My bet is on TC winning!)
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To: Happy2BMe
"That area of Texas is like a war zone I'm told. The big drug cartel considers it THEIR'S"

That's what worries me, I hope the MMP don't get into a situation where these animals come looking for them.
38 posted on 05/12/2005 10:07:52 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Melas
"...I'll feel a lot better knowing I'm armed and they aren't. If they come I'll be one of the many in the counter protests."

I am not sure I understand your statement. Could you please elaborate.
39 posted on 05/12/2005 10:16:31 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Melas
I'll feel a lot better knowing that I'm armed and they aren't.

That's an odd statement to make. Sounds almost threatening. Do you have any (truthful) knowledge of what the Minutemen did in Arizona, who they were, how they conducted themselves, where they performed their operations, how many were actually armed, whether or not anyone used a firearm, how many illegals were deterred from crossing the border, how many times the Minutemen were confronted by Mexican officials, how many instances of illegal activity were observed and reported by the ACLU?

Do you know who the original Minutemen were? Do you even have a clue?

Or do you just enjoy threatening American Patriots?

40 posted on 05/12/2005 10:21:48 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Operation 4th of July ~)
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To: HiJinx
"That's an odd statement to make. Sounds almost threatening.

I agree.

41 posted on 05/12/2005 10:28:28 AM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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To: Travis McGee

You bring up valid points which somehow I sidestepped. I was thinking that if they should want to station themselves something like a mile back from the actual border (river), then it certainly is going to be private property. There are levee roads however and rural crossroads as you mentioned, the distance from the river would have to be determined in order to effectively use public access. All those things could sure produce enough access to be quite effective in this effort.

At any rate, I am bustin' with joy that this issue is not going to just go away or be swept under the governmental rug as easily as I'm sure they first thought...

Keep it up Freepers, what a network of "outsourcing" of information.


42 posted on 05/12/2005 11:21:32 AM PDT by brushcop (Remember SFC David Salie, a gentle giant of a man KIA (2-14-05) Iraq fighting for their liberty.)
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To: brushcop

Most rank and file BPs totally support this effort, and if approached correctly, will advise MM where they might be advantageously placed as "extra eyes."


43 posted on 05/12/2005 12:45:19 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee

Tell your friends and relatives in Illinois they have some patroling to do too!!!!!

chicagominutemanproject@hotmail.com

We are looking for a few hundred volunteers!!


44 posted on 05/12/2005 3:48:10 PM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Texas border is a very dangerous place right now. But, all that said I wish the MMP well. God bless um.

Red

45 posted on 05/12/2005 3:50:08 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (God bless America...land that I love...stand beside her and guide her...)
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To: Arrowhead1952
We need to put some teeth in the law.
Anyone in the USA that is not legal should be made a felon with one year in jail and a $10,000 fine for the first time.
Anyone aiding or abetting these felons should have the same jail and fine for each criminal they help.
46 posted on 05/12/2005 3:52:34 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." AYN RAND)
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