Posted on 05/12/2005 8:46:37 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds
The difference between the Kennedy McCain bill and what the president wants (per FNC) is that Kennedy MccCain's guest program inclues convertability of the worker visa to a permanent visa.
This is just an effort to add more democrats.
McCain is an IDIOT. This kills his presidential bid. Seriously he has been played and played for a first class fool. He is too blind to realise that hitlary has just effectivly checkmatted him on immigration.
Absolutely HELL NO.
CONSTITUTION PARTY
This is unreal.
FIRST build a real security fence, and THEN come talk to us about other options.
But the whores that be instead want to sell out our country to the highest bidder. It's long past time to kick these Traitorous idiots out.
Our political leaders are all whores, so they figure we'll shut up like whores if the illegals just pay $2,000 for citizenship. (This is MUCH less than what legal immigrants pay in all of their fees.)
It's long past time to kick these Traitorous idiots out.
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bump that
Rush is reading about this bill now.
Good point. I don't think this invalidates the arguments in favor of the legislation, but it's something that has to be considered. The INS gets backed up enough as it is.
That is NOT going to go on for long. Our judges will NEVER permit a permanent "slave class" in the USA. This is what is going to happen instead, when the judiciary eventually takes up this case.
(And our leaders will pretend to be SHOCKED! at this outcome, which they are doing all they can to see happens.)
Fernando Ortiz was a ‘landscape engineer’ on Long Island who had demanded to be able to vote, on the basis that he had been paying state and federal taxes for ten years. Actually, he had been stopped from casting a ballot by a poll watcher who had suspected his citizenship status, and (illegally, as it turned out) demanded proof of his identity and legal qualification to vote. Ortiz had won a multi-million dollar settlement against the Republican Party of New York in the subsequent “racial profiling and ethnic intimidation” civil suit, but he did not stop there.
Instead, with massive support from the ACLU and various Hispanic “immigrants rights” foundations, he had pressed his demand to be allowed to vote all the way to the Supreme Court…and he won. The Supreme Court, in its famous 5-4 decision, ruled that negligence in securing America’s borders against illegal immigration on the part of the federal government, could not be held against “undocumented workers who played by the rules and paid their taxes,” once they were established in America—legally or not. The federal government had not taken reasonable efforts to secure the border, and had not pursued "undocumented workers" in the USA. Instead, it openly permitted them most of the benefits of citizenship, and it collected their taxes. "No taxation without representation!" was the cry heard all the way to the Supreme Court. The State of New York had then sleep-walked through an aimless and desultory case for denying the vote—and citizenship—to “undocumented workers.”
Following Ortiz v. New York, a stunned America woke up to discover that there were not only an amazing twenty-two million illegal aliens hiding in plain sight across the land, but that eight million of them immediately qualified to vote. In a nation split 50-50 down party and ideological lines, these eight million new voters were recognized to be the certain majority-makers in future elections, and both parties set record lows for cravenness in pandering to their “needs.” Chief among their “needs” were liberal new family reunification laws, and these instant citizens—illegal aliens only a year before—began bringing the remainders of their families to the USA. Legally.
Overnight, wavering Democrat states became locks, and swing states with large Hispanic populations went solidly “blue.” The result was the recent election which had brought Gobernador Deleon to power in Nuevo Mexico, and had also brought radical Democrats to power in the White House and both houses of congress.
Thus had come the political tsunami which swept all before it, a tidal wave triggered by an undocumented lawn maintenance worker named Fernando Ortiz.
Something like this legislation is going to be passed. Rather than completely opposing it, it might be best to try get more teeth in it.
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In principle, you are correct. That's what's depressing. We pretty much have to accept the situation. 8 to 10 million people are just too many to punish or deport. The only thing we can do in the long run is legalize them. We need to do it wisely, though, not another blanket amnesty like we've had in the past with no change in the current situation of lax border enforcement.
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